Neymar JR: O Galo do Barça

Agreed.

Disagree with the man on the Clasico though. Been a while since I've enjoyed a Clasico. Perhaps that's due to Mou, though (5-0 aside).

What a mass delusion. He goes ground too easily all the time, he gets the same treatment than everybody else, yet it seems that he's the only one on the ground all the time.



This was penalty for most, look at the left leg and say it again.

The only delusion is yours. He doesnt get the same treatment as everybody else. Your telling me Pedro gets attempted tackles the same rate or aggression?

Defenders are very quick to attack him when his back is to them or he is at full speed, because they are afraid of what he is capable of.

When his back is turned, they are charging into him because they know he isnt physically going to hold them off. And when running at full speed, obviously he is a threat to dribble 3-4 players so they want to take him down.

Its common sense to those without an agenda.

So he didn't dive in that instance? Newsflash, every player gets aggression from defenders, but I don't see them on the ground so easily, all the time, every time. I could post these instances all day from Neymar at Barca.

It's funny though, first Brazilians defended the diving, but now that he's at Barca, most Barca fans do the same.  

How about you read what I wrote the first time. I didnt say he never once dived, I said barely.

And that gif isnt very conclusive to me either.

You can post many images of him on the ground? Yeah, because he gets fouled alot.

Your hate to Neymar is laughable really, we all know the true reason too.

Now it took two posts to take the "hater" argument out of bag? Clear indication when you can't argue your case, at all. Embarrassing really.

Here's a great example of him going down too easily, just the other game against Osasuna.



In much harder tackle in the middle he stays up, and in much softer tackle in penalty box, he goes down like a sack of potatoes.

Harmonica, the difference between those two contacts is that the first contact is at his middle, the second contact is at his knee while he doesnt have that leg on the ground. The push makes his legs collide, thats why he falls.

Collblanc wrote:Harmonica, the difference between those two contacts is that the first contact is at his middle, the second contact is at his knee while he doesnt have that leg on the ground. The push makes his legs collide, thats why he falls.

And the delusion continues. If you can't see the difference of throwing yourself on the ground in these examples, and staying up. You are beyond reasoning.

Nothing to do with hater.

The truth is, you want Barcelona to be some modern day Napoli so your hero can be Maradona and save them.

If any player threatens that idea, that obviously bothers you.

I mean, if Neymar is dribbling players and performing well, you cant say "Messi has no help".

Those tackles are not the same, your clueless.The first tackle he has all the momentum because he is travelling at full speed (and the tackler is standing still) and he takes it with his hip/torso.

The second one the contact is with his legs and he and the defender are going at similar speeds.

Your not this stupid, your just being difficult.

 Modern day Napoli. What the hell? Are you insane? Wishing something has nothing to do what has happened.

Lets get this out, what the hell does diving have to do with playing well, or anything this other nonsense you spew with your argument? The argument was that he doesn't dive, which is hilariously deluded opinion, and which basically confirms, that you can't observe things objectively.

They are exactly the same, in the sense of the argument. The fact that you're even arguing against them makes you sound like a blind fanboy. I know you're not this stupid, or are you really?

Your see through.

The reason you have this opinion is because you dislike Neymar, thats all. And again, the reason you dislike him is because he is a threat to your precious Messi.

My arguement was not that he doesnt dive, clearly you cant read.

  Still continuing the same crap? Holy shit you are naive.

No Neymar dives constantly, and you can't admit it.

Insane...niave...any more?

You can call me whatever you like, changes nothing about you.

Your a see-through fanboy and while your opinion doesnt matter enough to annoy me, the fact you can have a Barca badge next to your club supported just like I can, greatly pains me.

Clueless, deluded? Any more?

It's like a common theme with you, first you make personal insults, then when you get it back, you use it as some strange defensive method. The same with this hate stuff. I could call you also Messi hater, which you obviously are. But there is no need to do that in a debate, which you will now reply, this isn't a debate.  

Only thing see-through here is your incapability to be honest, logical and objective.

Oh yeah, and Neymar is still a diver, he was that in Brazil, with Brazil and he's been that in Barca.

Defensive? I already said you can call me whatever you like, it doesnt change anything to do with you.

I am a Messi hater? Hilarious

Yeah, it doesn't change anything, so what does repeating that do?

Don't try to act like you're not. You're the biggest Messi hater in this section after Alex.

Harmonica doesn't support Barca and it's a shame if anyone believes it. He'd jump ship to Madrid without a second thought if Messi went there.

Lol at calling either of Alex or Dani a Messi hater.

Are we really discussing that Neymar wasn't fouled twice in the box vs. Valladolid? Those were clear penalties. Come on Jiopsi.

Two of the three against Valladolid were clear dives. I don't expect you to be objective though.

Two of the three were clear penalties. The other one was just him crushing against a Valladolid player.
You know, not everytime a player falls it's either a dive or a penalty.

Two of the three were clear dives.

In the first he throws himself on the ground actually fouling just as much as the defender.



The last is practically the same as Ashely Young's hilarious dive not so long ago, with the difference that the defender didn't retract his foot.





Looks the contact and the same time throws himself on the ground.

Why is this so hard to grasp? I mean did most of you suddenly become oblivious to this when he joined Barca?

The first one was a similar challenge to today's Machete alleged penalty on Cristiano. Probably not a penalty, but he falls because he is 60 kg. There's no dive there.

The second one there's contact and he gets tripped, so it's a penalty. I don't see how you can say it isn't if there's contact.

Of course there is dive in there, it's plain to see there. And he also grabs the defender. 100% not a penalty.

And the last one he doesn't get tripped, he kicks his foot against the defender and the same time throws himself in the ground. 100% not a penalty.

The last one, if you get it form another angle, you will see how clearly he doesn't "kick his foot agaisnt the defender".

And I don't see the dive in the first gif, even when he is falling, he is trying to touch he ball with his leg. He wouldn't do that if he was diving.

Harmonica, futbol is not a contact sport, especially for barca fans. every contact for me is a foul and should be booked. if you get outplayed, tactically or technically, the battle is lost and over. i dont care that a player goes to the ground when there is contact because thats not what this game is about. neymar is doing a great job, i hope he falls another 10.000 times to give us the penalty. and as for you, you seem more a messi-fan then a barca fan, pls go!!!!!

Collblanc wrote:Harmonica, futbol is not a contact sport, especially for barca fans. every contact for me is a foul and should be booked. if you get outplayed, tactically or technically, the battle is lost and over. i dont care that a player goes to the ground when there is contact because thats not what this game is about. neymar is doing a great job, i hope he falls another 10.000 times to give us the penalty. and as for you, you seem more a messi-fan then a barca fan, pls go!!!!!

Oh god, yeah you can keep believing that, I'll keep believing honesty, morality and fairness. That's probably the most idiotic thing I've read here in a long time, and that's saying something.

And Neymar didn't even outplay anyone, he lost the ball, or played himself in the closed position where he felt the need to take a dive.