Ronaldo (United) vs Bale

The similarities are frightening. Bale given a free role, shoots from far, scores last minute goals etc. I can say  comfortably that he is on the same level that Ronaldo was in 06/07.

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Ronaldo 07-08 was untouchable. Bale never reached that level, he might have if he stayed 1 more season with Spurs. I guess we'll never know

Bale is a beast but 23 yr old Ronaldo by miles.  But its hard to explain, when cr7 won the balon d'or, kaka started on a decline, ronaldinho was pretty much finished, and messi was starting to show what he was going to do.  Bale has a mean left hook and ridiculous speed but young Ronaldo has that and is just as good with both feet, has incredible areil ability, his vision is really good.  But above all I feel he was tactically superior and was primed so by SAF and his coaching staff.

Not to mention now ronaldo is much better than his United version.

i don't think they are alike at all. Ronaldo key attributee has always been his mindblowing capacity to run to space in incredibly efficient manner. Bale doesn't even run to space that much, much less does so efficiently.

Ronaldo 07-09 >>> Current Ronaldo >>> Bale

juventus101 wrote:Ronaldo 07-09 >>> Current Ronaldo >>> Bale

Current Ronaldo i way better.

Yes. People forget that back in United Ronaldo was still scoring around 40 goals per season for the last 2-3 years. I would tske a much more tricky and unpredictable Ronaldo who scores 40 goals over this Ronaldo who has basically just become a CF who cuts in from the left alot so scores a bit more goals.

juventus101 wrote:Yes. People forget that back in United Ronaldo was still scoring around 40 goals per season for the last 2-3 years. I would tske a much more tricky and unpredictable Ronaldo who scores 40 goals over this Ronaldo who has basically just become a CF who cuts in from the left alot so scores a bit more goals.

Not sure about that mate.

For Man Utd
05-06 = 12 goals
06-07 = 23 goals
07-08 = 42 goals
08-09 = 26 goals

For Real Madrid
09-10 = 33 goals
10-11 = 53 goals
11-12 = 60 goals
12-13 = 55 goals

You might need another fact to defend your case.

Okay, but he was still scoring a very good amount of goals back then. He was also playing as a winger in a 4-4-2 which should be taken into account. So he only scored half as much as much as he does now. But he was a far better player overall. You can watch Ronaldo for 5 minutes now and 5 minutes back at United and already tell he changed for the worse. He seems to have bulked up and basically became a CF that starts on the left wing. Back then he was a true winger like Ribery/Robben/etc with better on the ball skills, vision, and overall everything bar finishing. So I guess its really not whether one is better than the other, but more just what you prefer. A CF or true winger.

Also it should be mentioned that before the last few years, to score 30 goals a season in all competitions was alot. Nowadays with Messi and Ronaldo raping scrub La Liga defenders and scoring hat tricks on a refular basis the standard has changed.

juventus101 wrote:Okay, but he was still scoring a very good amount of goals back then. He was also playing as a winger in a 4-4-2 which should be taken into account. So he only scored half as much as much as he does now. But he was a far better player overall. You can watch Ronaldo for 5 minutes now and 5 minutes back at United and already tell he changed for the worse. He seems to have bulked up and basically became a CF that starts on the left wing. Back then he was a true winger like Ribery/Robben/etc with better on the ball skills, vision, and overall everything bar finishing. So I guess its really not whether one is better than the other, but more just what you prefer. A CF or true winger.

Also it should be mentioned that before the last few years, to score 30 goals a season in all competitions was alot. Nowadays with Messi and Ronaldo raping scrub La Liga defenders and scoring hat tricks on a refular basis the standard has changed.

How many United games did you watch? And don't lie because you basically ust proved you didn't watch anything with those farcical Ronaldo statistics at United. He stopped being a winger in 2007. What a oke. Don't lie and say you wathced us because we rarely played 442 even back then. We played a 433 variation.

In fact in alomst all our big games he was deployed as a CF. Against Roma in 08, Barcelona in 08, Porto in 09, Arsenal in 09, Barcelona in 09, in almost all our CL games he was played as a CF. We didn't play with a recognised #9 in 08 as well. Please at least do some research so it can seem like you actually watched our team. What a joke.

Those guys are right he is not a winger, it's just his formal position name being left wing. Also he is a mich much better player now, he wasn't as much of leader then as he is now. He is a commanding presence, and now also developed into a big game player. Look at united Ronaldo versus Barcelona and look at how much of a force he became against them now, even against bayern in 2012's semi final. I think a more debateble topic would be Ronaldo's United at its peak vs Ronaldo's Madrid in 2012 when they won la liga.

Uncanny wrote:Those guys are right he is not a winger, it's just his formal position name being left wing.  Also he is a mich much better player now, he wasn't as much of leader then as he is now.  He is a commanding presence, and now also developed into a big game player.  Look at united Ronaldo versus Barcelona and look at how much of a force he became against them now, even against bayern in 2012's semi final.  I think a more debateble topic would be Ronaldo's United at its peak vs Ronaldo's Madrid in 2012 when they won la liga.

Still don't buy that big game player. When Barcelona where at their peak he struggled to make an impact. I mean you can talk about last season but let's be honest, even Muntari was shining against them and Real Madrid's B team was hammering Barcelona. Dortmund he scored a tap in and did nothing over two legs, Bayern 1 offside goal and missed a penalty, Barcelona in 11 did nothing. Still don't rate him as a big game player. Pathetico in cup final he did nothing. 1 year doesn't make up for flopping in big games throughout your career.

2nd leg against United scored a tap in but did nothing before Nani got sent off.

jibers wrote:

Uncanny wrote:Those guys are right he is not a winger, it's just his formal position name being left wing.  Also he is a mich much better player now, he wasn't as much of leader then as he is now.  He is a commanding presence, and now also developed into a big game player.  Look at united Ronaldo versus Barcelona and look at how much of a force he became against them now, even against bayern in 2012's semi final.  I think a more debateble topic would be Ronaldo's United at its peak vs Ronaldo's Madrid in 2012 when they won la liga.

Still don't buy that big game player. When Barcelona where at their peak he struggled to make an impact. I mean you can talk about last season but let's be honest, even Muntari was shining against them and Real Madrid's B team was hammering Barcelona. Dortmund he scored a tap in and did nothing over two legs, Bayern 1 offside goal and missed a penalty, Barcelona in 11 did nothing. Still don't rate him as a big game player. Pathetico in cup final he did nothing. 1 year doesn't make up for flopping in big games throughout your career.

2nd leg against United scored a tap in but did nothing before Nani got sent off.

You make good points, but still I feel Madrid were going through a whirlwind in the second half pf last season.  His stand out Madrid season was definitely the title winning season, starting from the header against barca, and also last fall with his 90 min dip shot against city (and city played impressively in that game).  Either way Madrid's entire performance was below par against united, but the whole team wasn't playing well.  With any big team versus another big team you need the whole team playing on par, ozil was probably Ronaldo's main service route and he did disappear now and then.  Anyway my main point is, Ronaldo can be a big game player as long as his team is pressing on, he is a talisman.

I find it funny that some people are comparing Bale's stat today with C.Ronaldo's stat the year he was sold to Real Madrid(not in this thread but in general). C.Ronaldo in the year that he was sold, had a pretty average season and his worst in 4 years until the Porto game. So how "bad" is it that Bale's best seasons is comparable with C.Ronaldo's worst in 4 years?

harhar11 wrote:I find it funny that some people are comparing Bale's stat today with C.Ronaldo's stat the year he was sold to Real Madrid(not in this thread but in general). C.Ronaldo in the year that he was sold, had a pretty average season and his worst in 4 years until the Porto game. So how "bad" is it that Bale's best seasons is comparable with C.Ronaldo's worst in 4 years?

Was his worst because he was injured for the start of the season. Still came second in the goal scoring charts behind Anelka and was our main weapon in Europe. Destroyed the little teams for us and flopped in the big games in the EPL...nothing new tbh.

Indeed it was at first because of his injury, but then he didn't really shine until Porto. After that, he was playing pretty great..