Re: Official: James Rodriguez to Real Madrid

by Socur Toxanarosa Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:59 pm

FennecFox7 wrote:Right, it's never James's fault. You know, how about the fact that he doesn't contribute as much as Kova as a CM or Lucas as a winger.

His piss poor attitude in training didn't help his case. Zidane is fair. He dug his own grave, and we are doing fine while he warms the bench. Mercurial talent please

It's nothing personal. He's useless to us. Don't let the door hit you on the way out buddy, you can take your shitty attitude somewhere else

That's because he isn't a CM nor a winger, mate. Your system doesn't suits him and he is lacking confidence, you can't expect him to come in and be a world beater, it doesn't work like that. The sooner he leaves the better for him.

by halamadrid2 Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:28 pm

James has had an impeccable attitude this season. Last season however, he couldn't stoop further down even if he tried. Everyday there'd be something new about him. He has been dealt a harsh hand this season and taken it like a man. Though his family, colombian team, former colombian greats have done all the talking for him slating ZZ left and right even blaming Ronaldo for why James is not playing. Whoever gets him will get a great player who tends to panick and does stupid stuff when he is up against a wall

I know deep down he hates ZZ for the way he's treated him, I would've too. But if he tried to treat ZZ like he treated Rafa, Ramos and Ronaldo would probably kick him out the door themselves. The 2 biggest heads in the dressing room have ZZ's back every step of the way and can't stop hugging him on the touchline whenever they score. I know some people will probably belittle him because he's on the way out. But reality is that he is a good player but wants to be treated as a superstar which he won't be in any of the biggest clubs

by terrance511 Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:37 pm

funny when even barca fans dont dare to call him a 80m flop signing, and some madrid fans did it 1st.

he obviously dont fit in current play or system, of cause he'll express the desire to try it on other team,

there's no need of acting like needy girlfriend calling him a 5 matches wonder and deny he had an awesome season under carlo.

by futbol_bill Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:00 pm

You guys defending him really don't understand his attitude here. He may not have publically said anything negative about Madrid, but his agent, Columbian coach, etc sure have.

He is or was in same situation as Isco and Asensio. They are all AMs and the team doesn't use that role. They all have been asked to adopt to a role in 4-3-3. Asensio has made the effort to play as a winger, Isco has made the switch to a CM, but James hasn't. We know he has talent, but the team isn't going to change it's formation just to suit him. Besides who gets benched for him? Bale, Modric, Kroos?? No way!

You talk about talent, but there have been several deficiencies exposed. His ability to recieve the ball, good with only one foot, can't dribble, can't make the one touch play!!

Bottom line he had a chance to leave last summer and he stayed, said he would earn his spot with Zidane and he just hasn't done it. He not only is behind Lucas, Asensio, Isco and Kovacic, he also was behind Odegaard in a recent Copa game.

However the team can't make changes and with all the injuries we have had, a full squad is needed and therefore it is really doubtful that Flo, Zidane will let him go before the summer.

by FennecFox7 Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:45 pm

Socur Toxanarosa wrote:
FennecFox7 wrote:Right, it's never James's fault. You know, how about the fact that he doesn't contribute as much as Kova as a CM or Lucas as a winger.

His piss poor attitude in training didn't help his case. Zidane is fair. He dug his own grave, and we are doing fine while he warms the bench. Mercurial talent please

It's nothing personal. He's useless to us. Don't let the door hit you on the way out buddy, you can take your shitty attitude somewhere else

That's because he isn't a CM nor a winger, mate. Your system doesn't suits him and he is lacking confidence, you can't expect him to come in and be a world beater, it doesn't work like that. The sooner he leaves the better for him.

All I see is excuses. If you're good you're good. Period. Show it on the training ground.

Ronaldo has made the effort to be a CF. you have Isco who has become a fantastic CM, kovacic at times has played as a DM which isn't even his position at all but he bossed it

by rincon Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:54 pm

"If you are good you're good. Period." :facepalm:

No, just no.

Wtf is that supposed to mean. Go play Iniesta at RB and then complain he isn't good enough. Ozil can't play DM, what a scrub. Also, Isco is not a fantastic CM, not his fault though or I guess maybe it is? Dybala is a bad LW, we should sell the srcub...

There is no worse argument in rating a player than this.

by futbol_bill Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:25 pm

Rincon, you're missing the point!

First off we never should have bought him as we don't play his natural position. That one is on Flo who seems to make a habit of purchasing a hyped player (in the case of James for a good 5 game run on a surprise team in a summer tournament) even when there is no obvious role for them. Same actually can be said for Isco and Asensio.

But in order to fit into this team, they need to adapt to the team needs. Both Isco and Asensio have done this (and by the way, your comment re Isco just shows how little you have watched him in past month).

James may well in deed have a lot of talent and very well do well elsewhere. But he hasn't shown it on the field and the fact that he is so far down the pecking order says not in practice either.

by rincon Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:06 pm

I'm not missing the point, its just not a good one.

All that is not his fault. Its the club's fault.

They sign a player, play him out of position and bench him for not performing where he never played before. The only place to put the blame there is with the club, not the player. Simple as that. When he has played in familiar positions he was great. In that sense, he has done what he should be expected to do.

Just like I didn't blame Diego for not making it at Juve when we didn't give him a real shot, or Coman choosing Bayern when their system suited him more.

by halamadrid2 Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:43 pm

It's not entirely the clubs fault. He had the chance to leave in the summer knowing full well ZZ did not rate/need him. He decided to reject all offers, come back in September with all the established starters and be behind in fitness and in turn behind in the pecking order once Asensio gave us those early performances.

Recently he has been doing more training wanting to prove himself but it's too little too late. Kovacic was in the same boat as James last season out in the cold looking in but as soon as Croatia were eliminated he was back in Madrid in order to prove himself to ZZ and it reaped rewards in the end.

We are to blame for buying him in the first place but he is entirely to blame for what transpired after that. He was a regular up until that Clasico and aftet that debacle, Rafa dropped him and ZZ didn't even bother (though he has played him from start alot)

I don't know if people remember this but what he was doing last season I haven't seen anyone do in our team since Cassano or perhaps Robinho. If there was ever a problem it was taken care of behind closed doors. Even when Mou called Iker a snitch he was a model professional out in the open. James decided to best air his/our dirty laundry out in the open for the media to have a field day. He has learnt his lesson the hard way though it might be too late now

by Doc Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:58 pm

His first season was a productive one despite ending without any meaningful trophies. It is his 2nd season with Rafa on board that things began to spiral downwards for him. Even when Zidane came, he kept doing nonsense.

This season, he really has tried to find a way back into the 1st team (don't mind he continued to have a laissez-faire approach at the start of pre-season). However, he simply cannot adjust to the role Zidane would like him to play and for all his effort, it has no end product. Mind you, it is not his natural position or is it an approach he is accustomed to so I can see why it is not working out for him.

In any case, the club should have never signed him to begin and he never build on the success he had in his 1st season. All in all, it didn't work out for either party and an amicable end to this would be really the best thing.

by futbol_bill Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:09 pm

rincon wrote:I'm not missing the point, its just not a good one.

All that is not his fault. Its the club's fault.

They sign a player, play him out of position and bench him for not performing where he never played before. The only place to put the blame there is with the club, not the player. Simple as that. When he has played in familiar positions he was great. In that sense, he has done what he should be expected to do.

Just like I didn't blame Diego for not making it at Juve when we didn't give him a real shot, or Coman choosing Bayern when their system suited him more.

So what you are essentially saying is he is a one trick pony (let alone the character deficiencies that Hala has described).

I say at that price, a talent has to be much more than a one trick pony especially at a big club. There is a certain amount of accountability that goes with a high high price tag.

You have mentioned Iniesta quite a bit. He was an AM first and foremost, then he became kind of a mix between a CM and an AM depending upon team need (at both club and country teams) and now in the twilight of his career, he is strictly a CM.

That's all the flexibility that is being asked of James and yet he can't adapt!!!! I said at that time we bought James that he wasn't needed and brought nothing to the team that Isco didn't already provide. Both of them struggled to find a spot / role with Madrid, but one of them dug down, altered (or grew) his game and has won a legitimate role on the team, while the other continually moans about his situation and demonstrates little or none of the talent you say he has.

And what about the deficiencies in his game (that I described earlier; weaknesses in receiving ball, little or no dribbling ability, can't make the one touch play, difficulty in tight situations, one foot only (there you have it a one trick and foot pony!!)). For all the talent you seem to rave about, we just aren't seeing it at Madrid. I would also question your statement "When he has played in familiar positions he was great." He has had some decent moments, but I hardly would call anything he has done at Madrid as great.

He will be moved, I don't think there is any doubt about it, but the timing will be in the club's best interest not his.

by rincon Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:19 pm

Why are you blaming the price tag on the player? that is entirely up to the club. If Madrid chose to pay like 80m for him then thats Madrid's fault, not James. Blame Monaco too if you want, depending on how that negotiation went, but not him.

Higuain costed 90m, simply because thats what Juve and Napoli thought he was worth. Thats it. Is he worth maybe, maybe not, but thats a question for the club. As long as he does what he is known to do then he is not at fault for anything else.

These are all problems Madrid created. They signed a player for an exorbitant amount of money, that they chose to spend, and for a player that didn't fit them. Is he a one-trick pony? not particularly but even if you want to call him that, Madrid signed him for that "one trick". His first season he showed it, thats what he is capable of. He played RW or AM for Colombia, probably similar for Monaco (didn't watch him much there). Not doing proper scouting is the fault of whoever is making these signings.

On the Iniesta comment, he hasn't really been adapting a lot. He pretty much created his own role where he shines the most, that LCM/LAM blend. Mezzala as they say in Italy. Everything else have been variations of that, and he is one of the best midfielders of his generation.

James started playing RW for Colombia and broke through. He filled in on the right or the center as needed. Same thing.

Adaptable players are great but not all players must be like that. Otherwise go and sign 11 Altintops since he could play like every position.

He shouldn't have been signed if he didn't fit thats all this is. And thats the club's fault.

by halamadrid2 Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:39 pm

Nobody put a pen in his hands and forced him to sign the contract. Plenty of players have rejected us in the past. He was signed on the back end of our LaDecima trophy where we played strictly a 4-3-3 formation and anyone who watched us would've known that. Everyone knew BBC would start week in week out. What other position could he realistically play if not CM?

He signed with us because we were the only big team after him and he knew he could win big trophies with us. He took the easy option as opposed to asking for guarantees before he put pen to paper. He was signed without Carlo's knowledge, that in itself is a sign you are surplus. Carlo tried to make an ADM out of him but it didn't work because that position requires alot more discipline than James is/was willing to offer

by rincon Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:57 pm

Have it as you will, blame a player for not rejecting a millionaire contract from a top club cause he didn't fit, instead of the club for signing him and paying all that money under this conditions.

by futbol_bill Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:35 pm

We're not saying club i.e. Perez is not at fault. If you have followed our forum, we all have taken shots at Perez particularly his interference with signings.

But we are saying James has not impressed at all and has or had a poor attitude. You are definitely making his 1st season as better than it actually was.

James would have seen very clearly what he was in for at Madrid, yet he signed the contract. He also had opportunities to leave last summer and it was his decision alone to stay.

As I said earlier he will no doubt be sold, but the timing will be at the club's interest.

by rincon Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:42 pm

I never said that he should have stayed over the summer or that the club should sell him when its not convenient to them. I just defended the fact that his lack of playtime in his best position is a matter of fit, and that he can be huge for most teams in the world.

by Doc Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:48 pm

I'm all for blaming Madrid for Madrid's issues but let's not pretend that James is faultless in this. The man is behind the likes of Lucas, Asensio and even Ødegaard for a very good reason. He doesn't even have the luxury of saying he wasn't a starter since he was the day he came. At some point, the whole blame the club runs dry and he and his fans (which includes myself) would have to take stock of his own (in)actions.

Yeah, not playing in his ideal position is a real hindrance to him but not every thing in life is gonna be ideal anyway. Normal folks accomplish that every day while not collecting a lovely salary every week.

by chad4401 Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:20 pm

Zidane has been some what unfair to James imo, sure "not being a right fit" is a nice excuse but he performed under Carlo, easily outperforming isco in the process, then he got dropped by Rafa(unjustly) for isco and has been ostracised since, zidane giving him chances was just for show, no matter how well he played he keeps getting dropped, asensio does sod all when he plays, and Lucas has more work rate and pace that it Laughing

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There has been plenty of opportunity to play him zidane refused, kinda liked what happened to illarra which was also unwarranted, unnecessary and its makes it harder for the player to perform when the coach is clearly against you since the previous season.

James is not a flop, he already performed with the BBC under Carlo, nor is the club at fault either, last time I checked James was one of the most popular players the club brought in, a lot of fans was riding the hype train, all of this is a zidane ego trip just like Carlo ego trip with illarra, gotta flex on somebody to show your toughness as a manager I guess, I'm not even a James fan but its sucks to see someone trying so hard, getting screwed over for the sake of it, just not right.

by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:36 am

"Unjustly dropped" "Zizou ego trip" ffs how much drivel in a single post :facepalm:

James lost his place to Lucas not Isco. Why don't you stick to only supporting Benzema and stop embarrassing yourself talking about things you know nothing about

by elfmeter Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:49 am

rincon wrote:"If you are good you're good. Period." No, just no.

Wtf is that supposed to mean. Go play Iniesta at RB and then complain he isn't good enough. Ozil can't play DM, what a scrub. Also, Isco is not a fantastic CM, not his fault though or I guess maybe it is? Dybala is a bad LW, we should sell the srcub...

There is no worse argument in rating a player than this.

There are a lot of idiots posting here, but you really are up there, reading your posts hurt every part of my body. Just stick to playing Football Manager.

by rincon Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:04 am

elfmeter wrote:
rincon wrote:"If you are good you're good. Period." No, just no.

Wtf is that supposed to mean. Go play Iniesta at RB and then complain he isn't good enough. Ozil can't play DM, what a scrub. Also, Isco is not a fantastic CM, not his fault though or I guess maybe it is? Dybala is a bad LW, we should sell the srcub...

There is no worse argument in rating a player than this.

There are a lot of idiots posting here, but you really are up there, reading your posts hurt every part of my body. Just stick to playing Football Manager.

Excellent argument and post. I have never even owned a football manager game? you recommend it hmm

by Doc Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:28 pm

I do. Been playing Football Manager since they were known as Championship Manager. Fun game. Shame it is now become a tool of insult though.

by Curtinho Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:47 pm

The funny thing is that professional clubs use Football Manager so I don't know what people are on about with these insults. hmm

by Adit Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:49 pm

I'm with Rincon on this. James is a fantastic player who was never given a chance in his best position. The no 10 role doesn't exist in Madrid...Mou played Modric at no 10 and media declared him as flop in first season. This is similar case. It's just a bad buy from Madrid... Player is not the one to blame.

by Katy Perry Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:36 pm

http://www.eltiempo.com/deportes/futbol/james-rodriguez-llego-a-colombia/16777033

He's requesting a British visa hmm

by Adit Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:45 pm

Chelsea to give asylum for the colombian refugee?

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