Post-season assessment (why wait lol)

Doc wrote:Following Sports format (thanks for the effort btw):

Current keepers:  Conetois, Navas and some scrub.
Review: Conetois is a rubbish fucking keeper that we really should not have signed at all. Navas is an above average keeper who is still a good keeper in his own right that should not be starting for us.
Outlook: We're gonna be starting Conetois as our new no.1 and I hate it so much. Envying Oblak and MaTS so much right now.

Central Defenders:  Ramos, Varane, Nacho and Vallejo
Review: Ramos is a natural dunce of a defender but this season, he become more of a natural dunce. Love it. Varane has moments where he is unplayable and moments where we shouldn't be playing him. Speaking of not playing ever again, Nacho could go to Roma or Napoli now, love the guy and wish him the best. Vallejo, um, Hala could use him for his local team in Sweden. Would be a decent addition for their weekend 11 a side kick around.
Outlook: We already have Militao and we'll see how that goes. I would want a replacement for Nacho, badly. Ramos, I mean, yes but he has a way of being so good at the moments where you really need your CBs to be good. Torn imo. Varane NEEDS to stay.

Fullbacks:  Marcelo, Carvajal, Regi, Odri
Review: Marcelo is done, Idc. He is done and Serie A could use his services. Carvajal is also kinda done and I think this needs to be talked about more. Way more. Regi is not exactly Madrid starter material but he has done better than Marcelo this season. As for Odri, I think there is actual starter material there but I doubt Zidane would use him as he really is hoping Dani recaptures his 16/17 form.
Outlook:Get new FBs as what we have is either done or far from being in ideal form

Midfield:  Kroos, Modric, Casemiro, Llorente, Ceballos, Valverde
Review:  Sigh, when 3 of your starters have been absolute shit for an entire season, you know you'll have nothing positive to celebrate and all 3 has been absolute shit. No question, don't @ me. Ceballos has been a nonshow for 3 different managers, might as well retire at this point. Valverde, I mean, I still don't see what TMO sees and unless he actually gets more game time, I wouldn't see it. Llorente, however, actually showed his skill level and it's pretty decent. Good for rotational purposes but Zidane hates him, swear he does.
Outlook: Get new midfielders. Nothing complicated about that

Forwards:  Bale, Isco, Asensio, Lucas, Vini, Diaz
Review:  Fucking dog shit in various forms. Except Vini and Diaz to which both have surprised me how they took their chances in their own way.
Outlook: Get new forwards and keep Vini and Diaz. Ez Pz outlook

Centre Forward:  Benzema and Mariano
Review: Benzema had a decent season. I say decent because you can easily see where the bulk of his goals/performances were. Mariano, I don't know, rarely saw him so who knows what he is or isn't.
Outlook: Jovic and another forward would do nicely tbh. Or Jovic and just keep Mariano.

Overview:
Dog fucking shit season, worst one I've experience as a fan.

Kick wrote:If you are to buy a new team worth of players, the lack of cohesion at the start of the season will be telling.

You'd be better off adding 1-2 players in addition to Hazard and Militao. Perhaps Mendy and N'Dombele?

Them, plus improvement in form to key players would be enough to close the gap on Barca.

sportsczy wrote:@kick... as an outsider, you probably think we've been complete shit this season.  You would be right.  But you need to be a Madrid fan to actually understand how utterly disgraceful this season was.

Even during our darkest of years in the 80s, 90s and 00s, we still had really interesting players.  So even though the team was bad overall, you still watched because of those guys.  This year...  nothing.  There wasn't one single good thing about this season or anything worth mentioning.  Vini and Diaz were good...  but both are absolutely not ready to be regulars for Real Madrid despite the hype job.  

Just to keep it in persective... Santillana/Juanito/Stielike (what a player Stielike was) and then Hugo Sanchez/Butragueno.  Zamorano.  Suker.  Redondo.  Raul.  Morientes.
Mijatovic (I liked him lol; leave me alone).  Seedorf. Hagi (he was fun; what a technician).  And then the galacticos.

Awful.  just awful.

Mr Nick09 wrote:just for the record i am nowhere near as dramatic as you lots. For as bad as we have been for ONE season, this same team has delivered us 4 champions league in 5 year.

i am genuinely over the moon still with what this team allowed me to live and to experience. One bad season, however bad it is, to close that incredible era does not matter lol.

Yes it's time to move forward and to turn the page, but i will not be one to make it sounds like we are supporting man united over here

Mr Nick09 wrote:@doc, I'm saying the same thing as you but the tone here was very dramatic from the get go, and to some extent continues to be. That's all.

@Thimmy, sorry but you are just mixing up a lot of things. It's hard to follow, you say there is irony in my post but fail to point out out clearly.

Where do I start? There's irony in you claiming that you're not as dramatic as the rest of us, considering the drama you're stirring up with your "Ole is shit.. here's what you need to do" posts. You claim we're being dramatic about one season, yet you're riling up Man United fans and suggesting that the manager should be sacked after 12 matches of poor performances after he was only recently announced as their official manager, and started his tenure with a sizeable winning streak that included victories over assumed superior managers. Of course, once they started losing, it was the manager's fault, although I thought it was well established that the players simply aren't good enough. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when they were winning against the likes of Tottenham and Arsenal, most people claimed it to be a result of I guess, "the dormant potential" of the team being motivated by a "new manager bounce". I bet a lot of people won't admit to it, but suddenly the likes of Rashford was hot property again in these discussions. Yet, when they started losing, both the players and the manager are supposedly not good enough. I don't think Pochettino or Emery would be too happy if they had to switch clubs with Ole, but that's just me. I can't make sense of how football fans tend to blame the manager, when there's not a sustained period of poor performances that can be directly traced back to anyone but the players. Even if the manager holds part of the blame, these quickfire manager sackings that we are known for, hardly ever solves anything. When a team performs poorly, it's usually because the team performs poorly. It's not a coincidence that the top rated managers don't manage poor teams.  

The reason why I reference united is that they have Beena. Shit show since Fergie left. That's a fanbase that has real reasons to be pissed about something, in opposition to the success we have had in recent times.

Well, that's certainly true. I believe it's mostly due to baffling transfer decisions, and the general decision-making of their club president. Like Florentino, he's a businessman first and foremost, but the amount of missteps he's made since he took charge of the club, would make Florentino blush. Abolishing the wage structure, not hiring a sporting director.. it's absolutely baffling. I haven't seen you refer to the post- Fergie era, though. I've only seen you regurgitate that Ole is shit and needs to go.

We can agree to disagree here, to me it's really just about the tone of the conversation here, I don't think we disagree here about the fact that the season was poor.

Also I'm not hyping up the signing of pogba, if we could sign Kante I would like that way more than signing Pogba and when I posted my fantasy team for next year I made that clear. I just understands it's something Zidane really wants so the sooner we make that happen the easier our summer will go

It has been poor. I don't want our rebuild to be contaminated by someone with the lackluster dedication level and egocentrism of Pogba, but like you've stated before, it's out of our hands. If he comes, he comes, but don't expect me to be happy about it. I would expect him to perform far better than he has done over the past 3 years. Firenze's been displaying signs of Stockholm syndrome regarding this guy ffs. As much as Man United look like shit when they don't put in an acceptable level of effort, he's been the lead singer in a band of drudgery, and usually the first player on the team to sink the tempo of their midfield to the level of a group that wants to get bent over, so the prospect of him being an improvement to our current midfield does not fill me with confidence, regardless of how talented he is. The least thing I expect from the players we bring in this summer, is that they can sustain an acceptable level of effort. Kanté would pass that test with flying colors. Pogba should count his lucky stars that he's got a NT midfield partner who's always up to the task, just like he had Vidal at Juventus. We don't have anyone like that, right now. If our summer signings amount to Jovic and Pogba, we'll need some kind of miracle, fairy dust of effort to achieve anything next season. Unless, Jovic has a CR/Messi- like ability to carry.

Mr Nick09 wrote:Brother thimmy you need to relax,

1) i talk about United because I truly think Ole is a terrible appointment in everyway imaginable, and I am having fun making fun of united. They are bad, their fans are going nuts, and it's good to make fun of them. How is that dramatic? No irony here lol

2) on Pogba if I know he is coming I would rather focus on the positives, because I know he is a talented player and it could work out. The guy is not even here, even if we sign him, I want to wish him to be successful because his career has not been mediocre up to now, he is a talented player.

Mr Nick09 wrote:Brother thimmy you need to relax,