Re: Barclay's Premier League '14-'15 discussion V3

by VendettaRed07 Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:05 pm

These Newcastle kits. Ffs

by Dnmac4 Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:31 pm

DuringTheWar wrote:Correlation doesn't equal causation, most youngsters with an education know this. Most people without an education can also summon the intelligence to figure that out for themselves.

But ok an explanation? Three games wilshere didn't start this season and we won: Aston villa, Galatasaray, Sunderland

-Aston villas entire squad was sick going into the game.
-Sunderland had just been ripped to frickin pieces 8-0 by Southampton, in addition to which, neither goal we scored had the slightest thing to with midfield, balance, or anything really, just two individual mistakes by their players that gave sanchez two chances to score.
-The galatasaray manager got his tactics completely wrong, anyone who saw the match knows this, there was space everywhere for arsenal.

Then some matches were we did "better" after wilshere was subbed: Crystal palace, Tottenham, Anderlecht, hull.

Crystal palace: We scored a last minute scrappy goal from a scramble in the box as a result of throwing everything forward.

Tottenham: With wilshere we conceded due to flamini giving the ball away (how is that his fault or a result of balance?) After he was subbed we scored, but don't forget arteta and Ramsey had also been subbed out as well, and we had created chances before wilshere was subbed out.

Anderlecht: Awful performance by everyone including wilshere, we subbed out our midfielders and threw everything forward in the last 10 minutes. We were lucky not to concede at least two goals due to being completely lopsided, but we in fact managed to score two. The first was a cross by our right back across the pitch to our left back who volleyed in, absolutely nothing to do with midfield or our balance, it only happened due to committing everyone forward. The second was also nothing to do with our midfield or balance.

Hull: After wilshere is subbed sanchez goes on a mazy dribble to destroy hulls midfield/defence and set up welbeck to score. Again it's a last minute goal at the end of the game when we were throwing everything forward.

How did I do sir? Have I convinced you of the basic well known principle that correlation does not equal causation? Btw, don't Barcelona have an awesome looking record when messi doesn't play? What are your thoughts about that?

Actually no, you are really just backing up my point. I knew someone would bring up the games he didn't play in and the quality of the teams.

Arsenal have played bad against bad teams with him in the lineup. All goals are generally scored by someone being out of place or at fault. The fact that some of them were not Wilshere in general at fault is a minor concern.

It's obvious to anyone with a brain that Wilshere destroys the balance of the team.

Did you come up with a reason on why they almost never let in a goal when he goes out of the game? Why don't Flamini and company let in goals when he's on the bench?

If you add the numbers together they have a +24 goal differential when Jack doesn't play. That is a season changing stat.

Everyone you just mentioned as either scoring/making a great play are also playing with Wilshere in the game and they don't play as well until he leaves the game and then when they should be tired they explode.

Throwing numbers forward (which actually should make them weaker at the back which isn't the case) should destroy my conclusion from the numbers as they leak goals like a sieve with him in the game and when he's out again there defense is almost flawless and there attack generally clicks into form RIGHT AWAY.

And how anyone could look at those numbers and say one doesn't equal the other is comical. Arsenal fans better pray to God you never get a front office job there.

Your response is basically digging your head in the sand or covering your ears while yelling and screaming "I don't want to listen to you".

by Helmer Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:42 pm

coward boy Mourinho will as usual play to draw this game

by Dnmac4 Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:02 pm

DuringTheWar wrote:Correlation doesn't equal causation, most youngsters with an education know this. Most people without an education can also summon the intelligence to figure that out for themselves.

But ok an explanation? Three games wilshere didn't start this season and we won: Aston villa, Galatasaray, Sunderland

-Aston villas entire squad was sick going into the game.
-Sunderland had just been ripped to frickin pieces 8-0 by Southampton, in addition to which, neither goal we scored had the slightest thing to with midfield, balance, or anything really, just two individual mistakes by their players that gave sanchez two chances to score.
-The galatasaray manager got his tactics completely wrong, anyone who saw the match knows this, there was space everywhere for arsenal.

Then some matches were we did "better" after wilshere was subbed: Crystal palace, Tottenham, Anderlecht, hull.

Crystal palace: We scored a last minute scrappy goal from a scramble in the box as a result of throwing everything forward.

Tottenham: With wilshere we conceded due to flamini giving the ball away (how is that his fault or a result of balance?) After he was subbed we scored, but don't forget arteta and Ramsey had also been subbed out as well, and we had created chances before wilshere was subbed out.

Anderlecht: Awful performance by everyone including wilshere, we subbed out our midfielders and threw everything forward in the last 10 minutes. We were lucky not to concede at least two goals due to being completely lopsided, but we in fact managed to score two. The first was a cross by our right back across the pitch to our left back who volleyed in, absolutely nothing to do with midfield or our balance, it only happened due to committing everyone forward. The second was also nothing to do with our midfield or balance.

Hull: After wilshere is subbed sanchez goes on a mazy dribble to destroy hulls midfield/defence and set up welbeck to score. Again it's a last minute goal at the end of the game when we were throwing everything forward.

How did I do sir? Have I convinced you of the basic well known principle that correlation does not equal causation? Btw, don't Barcelona have an awesome looking record when messi doesn't play? What are your thoughts about that?

And LOL, do you really want me to pull number's on Messi goal differential with Barca?

I mean seriously? A guy who has provided or scored 18 goals in like 11 or 12 games. That might have been one of the worst examples in the world you could have provided.

I mean did you really compare Barcelona's performance with and without Messi on the pitch and compare it to Arsenal's with Wilshere.

Arsenal have scored 22 goals this year and they are +15 with Wilshere out of the game and -9 with him in the match.

I mean do I really need to run the numbers on Messi when he's contributed to 9 goals and 9 assists in 12 games and they have kept clean sheets in 9 of those games ? You think it's anywhere near -9 and +15? Have you taken a basic mathematics course?

Not to mention he usually plays full games. Barca have scored 29 goals this year and again he has provided or scored 18 of them. I could run the numbers but you would look like a fool.

Again, take your head out of the sand, that is my thought about that.

by Hapless_Hans Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:28 pm

can't believe before the game Gary Neville claimed Filipe Luis would be the weak point Utd would try to exploit.

the full back of last seasons Atletico. hmmhmm Gary.

by Hapless_Hans Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:30 pm

I would rather claim the actual weak point is Cesc Laughing

by RealGunner Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:51 pm

Dowd

https://vine.co/v/OhLZrDBbe1l

by halamadrid2 Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:54 pm

Even half in terms of overall play. 0-0 is a fair result going into half time

by CBarca Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:55 pm

Lmao dnmad quoting the same post twice

Pls go

by RealGunner Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:59 pm

RVP OUTTA NOWHERE

1-1 FT

Deserved result. United played much better than previously.

by B-Mac Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:01 pm

we definitely deserved the point

by Blue Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:13 pm

Classic Chelsea-United game, referee heavily favoring United.

But we got what we deserved for playing deep after 1-0, we should have kept the initiative. buh at least City lost this week.

by celikmilan Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:14 pm

Best Man Utd player today was Phil Dowd.

by Gil Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:20 pm

Another point dropped in Manchester. These *bleep* were there for the taking and we bottled it. Madness by Jose to take Oscar off for Mikel when he was controlling the game. They couldn't get the ball for large portions in that 2nd half and were chasing the game ffs. Go for the killer goal like Madrid did yesterday Jesus Christ, this team isn't built to kill of games.

Dowd gifted them that point, no *bleep* doubt about it but we only have ourselves to blame for putting that piece of shit in that position. No idea what Ivanovic was thinking there on a yellow, that hideous looking inbred *bleep* was always going to go down there.

Drogba is GOAT. Hazard is a gem of a player and Courtois has the makings of a legendary keeper as Buffon, Casillas, Cech, Kahn, Schmeichel etc were before him.

So, so disappointed by Fabregas today. Assist aside, he was *bleep* gash for pretty much the entire game. Matic was equally poor until the 2nd half where he showed his class while Cesc went into hiding like those sanctimonious *bleep* at Barca expected him to.

Willian consistently blows hot and cold while Oscar's passing in the final 3rd is annoyingly shit.

by Gil Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:28 pm

Happy Hazard proved his about 2 or 3 levels above that ugly piece of shit by the way. Ripped them apart despite seeing very little of the ball.

by Gil Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:31 pm

https://vine.co/v/OhLFWtDJbH0

Inbred *bleep*. Dowd fell for it hook, line, sinker.

by Dnmac4 Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:32 pm

CBarca wrote:Lmao dnmad quoting the same post twice

Pls go

Is that a crime or something? Obviously as per the usual you have nothing constructive to add nor are you very bright.

by B-Mac Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:33 pm

Gil so mad Laughing

just talking to himself to feel better

by halamadrid2 Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:35 pm

Lol hazard didn't rip anyone apart

by nadinkrah Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:41 pm

Damn, great game.. Drogba goating, Fellaini proving haters wrong, Hazard *bleep* up defenses as usual. Blind isn't that good tbh.

by B-Mac Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:45 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:Lol hazard didn't rip anyone apart

he probably means the one chance hazard got where he walked through our defence but De GOAT stone walled him before the chelsea corner that drogba scored on.

but u know Gil

one good moment from Hazard is worth 6 months of praise lol and a Ballon d'or

by Gil Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:47 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:Lol hazard didn't rip anyone apart

United fans outside GL are raving about his performance today but yeah he didn't rip anyone apart. So annoyed he went near post when he went past their defence. Thankfully, the king made amends mere seconds later.

His dribbling ability is out of this World. That run where he ghosted past Mata and Di Maria in the first half was sensational. Unfortunately, that *bleep* Dowd barely gave him anything.

by Glory Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:49 pm

Gil wrote:Another point dropped in Manchester. These *bleep* were there for the taking and we bottled it. Madness by Jose to take Oscar off for Mikel when he was controlling the game. They couldn't get the ball for large portions in that 2nd half and were chasing the game ffs. Go for the killer goal like Madrid did yesterday Jesus Christ, this team isn't built to kill of games.

Dowd gifted them that point, no *bleep* doubt about it but we only have ourselves to blame for putting that piece of shit in that position. No idea what Ivanovic was thinking there on a yellow, that hideous looking inbred *bleep* was always going to go down there.

Drogba is GOAT. Hazard is a gem of a player and Courtois has the makings of a legendary keeper as Buffon, Casillas, Cech, Kahn, Schmeichel etc were before him.

So, so disappointed by Fabregas today. Assist aside, he was *bleep* gash for pretty much the entire game. Matic was equally poor until the 2nd half where he showed his class while Cesc went into hiding like those sanctimonious *bleep* at Barca expected him to.

Willian consistently blows hot and cold while Oscar's passing in the final 3rd is annoyingly shit.

cesc's poor performance = Fellaini marking him out of the game

and On the basis of today's performance.
de gea > courtois
hazard = januzaj

:coffee:

So stop overhyping.

and agreed di maria had an awful game today by his standards.

by Art Morte Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:58 pm

Chelsea probably should have gone for a second goal. United were creating very little and had zero game-changers on the bench and Chelsea looked like they could find another goal if they went searching. United would not have salvaged a draw if they needed more than one goal. Still, that Drogba header almost was enough for victory, but United can be happier about the draw than Chelsea, imo.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:23 pm

Di Maria isn't a winger the only person who used him as one in his entire career consistently was Mourinho.

He was a B2B midfielder for Benfica and for large majority of time Argentina too. Not that surprising he didn't perform.

Some Madrid fans wanted Di Maria the winger sold, now I wouldn't go that far but he's nowhere near impactful there as he is centrally.

by Zealous Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:49 pm

Hazard was fantastic. Gil hyperbole aside it's easy to see why people rate him.

Di Maria on the wing is a waste of his skills. It also exposes his poor decision making lol.

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