Rafael Benitez Sack Watch - Madrid Edition

messixaviesta wrote:
Ramon Calderon said that...

futbol_bill wrote:You got to look at sources LOL. Calderon is a thief, probably the worst president we have ever had. He will say anything to discredit Perez.

Mourinho upon signing demanded the control (all part of his bullshit PR campaign saying Madrid needed him, the only one - remember) and when he felt Valdano was in his way, he convinced Perez that either he or Valdano had to go. Keep in mind at first Mourinho delivered despite his antics. But after his last horrific year here and now this year at Chelsea the marketability of Mourinho is at an all time low. Unless Man U get desperate, he will have to go to a smaller team and even then I doubt if there are many takers.

Perez changed the election requirements and thus eliminated most opposition. However, if he keeps this up, there will be opposition and the majority will elect someone else just to get rid of Perez.

re your question above, the first thing that is needed is for Ronaldo to go and Perez to either stop the galactico (or marketing) signings and declare noone is a secure starter. Let the coach decide the best balanced line-up. Once that is done, then there are lots of options as to who coaches. My hope is that Raul (or Xabi Alonso) decide to go to coaches school. I think both are proven leaders with very good futbol knowledge and are great motivators. Both were effectively on field coaches for much of their time here.

The Demon of Carthage wrote:I disagree with Hala. Carlo was the best coach available, but he wouldn't be my first choice manager or even in the top 3 contenders for the job if everybody else was available. His lack of rotation isn't something 'small' to overlook, it's a serious issue. His inability to break the Atlético wall was another big problem. I defended him when he was sacked because I knew there was nobody better available in the market, but I would've packed his bags myself if his replacement was Del Bosque.

The Demon of Carthage wrote:

messixaviesta wrote:
Ramon Calderon said that...

You should never, and I really do mean never, believe or even waste your time reading or listening to what Calderon says. He's a shameless liar and a thief, and knows literally nothing.

Mr Nick09 wrote:

breva wrote:

By the way, winning or not winning makes little difference to Perez when he perceives a manager is accruing too much power.

That's your own opinion right? This is terribly wrong and there is no proof of anything like that since Perez returned at the club. Winning and losing is the only thing that makes a difference for Perez

I dont really care what that schmuck journalist pretends to know, it's theory is laughable from my point of view. But since he knows x,yz, and he probably right

chad4401 wrote:who cares if he knows them personally? that doesn't exempt you from making shit up to match trends, in fact that what most the posters do here anyway.

if that statement doesn't sound stupid to you, goes to show how far fans like you and the rest in this thread would go, if its anti-madrid which is what most posters do on here anyway.

messixaviesta wrote:

futbol_bill wrote:You got to look at sources LOL. Calderon is a thief, probably the worst president we have ever had. He will say anything to discredit Perez.

Mourinho upon signing demanded the control (all part of his bullshit PR campaign saying Madrid needed him, the only one - remember) and when he felt Valdano was in his way, he convinced Perez that either he or Valdano had to go. Keep in mind at first Mourinho delivered despite his antics. But after his last horrific year here and now this year at Chelsea the marketability of Mourinho is at an all time low. Unless Man U get desperate, he will have to go to a smaller team and even then I doubt if there are many takers.

Perez changed the election requirements and thus eliminated most opposition. However, if he keeps this up, there will be opposition and the majority will elect someone else just to get rid of Perez.

re your question above, the first thing that is needed is for Ronaldo to go and Perez to either stop the galactico (or marketing) signings and declare noone is a secure starter. Let the coach decide the best balanced line-up. Once that is done, then there are lots of options as to who coaches. My hope is that Raul (or Xabi Alonso) decide to go to coaches school. I think both are proven leaders with very good futbol knowledge and are great motivators. Both were effectively on field coaches for much of their time here.

Another excellent reply - explains a lot of things and I largely agree.

Yes I remember Mourinho's PR campaign of those days. In the summer of 2009 Madrid didn't want Mourinho. They wanted either Wenger or Ancelotti but Mourinho made it appear in the media that Madrid wanted him. It's only in the summer of 2010 that Madrid actually wanted him. That time I think he was at an all time high in his career after winning the UCL with Inter Milan, a team not known for excelling in Europe. Now as you say he is at an all time low in his career and there are not many takers for him. If ManUtd wanted him they would have signed him by now. They realize that he is not the kind of coach to build their future with.

I am reading that more than one Madrid fan wants Cristiano gone. So you guys don't consider him a Madrid icon of the Zidane, Raul, Casillas, etc. league?

futbol_bill wrote:

messixaviesta wrote:

futbol_bill wrote:You got to look at sources LOL. Calderon is a thief, probably the worst president we have ever had. He will say anything to discredit Perez.

Mourinho upon signing demanded the control (all part of his bullshit PR campaign saying Madrid needed him, the only one - remember) and when he felt Valdano was in his way, he convinced Perez that either he or Valdano had to go. Keep in mind at first Mourinho delivered despite his antics. But after his last horrific year here and now this year at Chelsea the marketability of Mourinho is at an all time low. Unless Man U get desperate, he will have to go to a smaller team and even then I doubt if there are many takers.

Perez changed the election requirements and thus eliminated most opposition. However, if he keeps this up, there will be opposition and the majority will elect someone else just to get rid of Perez.

re your question above, the first thing that is needed is for Ronaldo to go and Perez to either stop the galactico (or marketing) signings and declare noone is a secure starter. Let the coach decide the best balanced line-up. Once that is done, then there are lots of options as to who coaches. My hope is that Raul (or Xabi Alonso) decide to go to coaches school. I think both are proven leaders with very good futbol knowledge and are great motivators. Both were effectively on field coaches for much of their time here.

Another excellent reply - explains a lot of things and I largely agree.

Yes I remember Mourinho's PR campaign of those days. In the summer of 2009 Madrid didn't want Mourinho. They wanted either Wenger or Ancelotti but Mourinho made it appear in the media that Madrid wanted him. It's only in the summer of 2010 that Madrid actually wanted him. That time I think he was at an all time high in his career after winning the UCL with Inter Milan, a team not known for excelling in Europe. Now as you say he is at an all time low in his career and there are not many takers for him. If ManUtd wanted him they would have signed him by now. They realize that he is not the kind of coach to build their future with.

I am reading that more than one Madrid fan wants Cristiano gone. So you guys don't consider him a Madrid icon of the Zidane, Raul, Casillas, etc. league?

Ronaldo is at this point a has been. His best years are behind him. He has lost speed, his moves are too predictable now and he is a terrible team player. His free kick skill has virtually disappeared. His lack of interest in defensive duties kills any hope of fielding a balanced line-up. The best thing going forward is to sell him. There are other things wrong with our line-up, but that is the most glaring and major problem. He will be considered a legend after he is gone, because of the number of goals that he obtained. But in my mind (keep in mind that I have been around this club longer than most (I'm 68)), he is nowhere near the status of Zidane, Raul, Casillas, De Stefano, Puskas, original Ronaldo, etc etc. My view is based on his poor team play and his constant diving and whining.

Bankz wrote:Del bosque is unarguably madrids best coach for some decades now tbh.. Like in 2, 3 decades. Yeah I know it sounds really long but take the time out to think bout it.

Demon of carthage is beginning to become my fav real madrid poster here. I think he says the truth irrespective most of the time too.

For instance he said zidane is a confirm puppet of perez which is basically true. Even when most real fans seem to be carried away by the zizou fanfare. Btw, Anyone who thinks otherwise Is a joker.

He admitted that ancelotti wasn't all we all make him out to be even in a time where all real madrid fans are acting like he's suddenly some new slice bread when virtually all of them wanted him out when he was in real.

He also admitted several times that the BBC isn't good enough and that ronaldo needs to go.

He admitted that bale isn't useful as a creative outlet in the team. Even when it seemed like benitez was trying all he could to fit him in and even when he scored the odd goals here and there.

He said that VDB is the best coach madrid could have which is impressive considering that most fans here hardly even think bout or acknowledge him when talking bout top coaches..

I admire him for that. Standing for the truth even when it has to do with your club, something we can't say bout most of us here, including me.

farfan wrote:Not a very popular opinion , but isn't Del Bosque a bit lucky ?
he walked into two perfect situations at the right time to capitalize on already built and solid structures .
He took over Madrid a year after they won the CL and just as they began their early Galactico era .
He took over a spanish team that was molded by Aragones and made even stronger by the rise of Pepcelona .

In his only job outside of these two , he lasted less than a year.

Doc wrote:Odd that Farfan mentioned Don Vicente. From what I remember, he was head coach before (twice I think) and both were temporary fixes. The (assumed) third time, Madrid were not only outside UCL qualification, the club was in serious debt and getting pummeled by the likes of Zaragoza and Vigo. At the time, they were both good sides but still, Madrid were in real turmoil and this was half way through the 1999/2000 season.

Not even sure why RG compared both Pep and Don Vicente's stints either. Barcelona, when the former got hired, were just in need of some direction. They had the players and structure already in place. Madrid, however, had institutional failure both on the field and off of it. The club was really in a crisis (not the supposed one with Rafa) and Don Vicente inherited a broken, egotistic squad that he really got the best of within a couple of months including beating the defending UCL champs in their own backyard and Bayern.

He was lucky he got hired for the 3rd time but what happen after wasn't luck at all.

Adit wrote:Pep fanboys are unbearable. Every where running around blabbing he built that built this.. Germany won world cup because of him. Zidane plays possession and possession means copies guardiola. What the hell. This is messi/ Benzema level fanboyism but for a coach.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Adit wrote:Pep fanboys are unbearable. Every where running around blabbing he built that built this.. Germany won world cup because of him. Zidane plays possession and possession means copies guardiola. What the hell. This is messi/ Benzema level fanboyism but for a coach.

You are imagining things, i didn't say that.