Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club II

[Harmonica]

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Messi only one with 3 official MoM selection so far:

3 Messi (ARG)
2 Vidal (CHI)
2 Valdez (PAR)
2 Guerrero (PER)

[Harmonica]

Those are some strong ass shirts.

[jibers]

Those are some strong ass shirts.

I know, he's no Diego that's for sure.

[Harmonica]

Those are some strong ass shirts.

I know, he's no Diego that's for sure.

I know what you mean, Messi is no diver.

[Harmonica]

[Myesyats]

Those who argue he was nowhere near MOTM don't understand football

[neuro11]

or simply Messi haters

[Harmonica]

[Myesyats]

Shots - 4
KeyPasses - 5
Dribbles - 6
ChancesCreated - 6
Assists - 3
Touches - 74
Passes - 48/53
PassAcc - 90.5%

MOTM

Messi: 'Hopefully I have saved the goals for the final' #chile2015

[Harmonica]

Messi 14-15

For Argentina

World Cup runner-up, best player
Copa America runner-up, best player

For Barcelona

Spanish Cup champion, best player
Spanish League champion, best player
Champions League champion, best player

Some numbers

Treble winning Barcelona 14-15 (League+UCL) Messi had

most games 51 (45 Neymar)
most goals 53 (32 Neymar)
most assists (wide) 29 (20 Suarez)
most dribbles 267 (131 Neymar)
most chance's created 131 (76 Neymar)
most through balls 48 (11 Iniesta)
most passes 3173 (2820 Busquets)

League + CL Messi had

most games 51 (48 Kroos)
most goals (excl. pen) 48 (45 Cronaldo)
most assists (wide) 29 (23 Fabregas)
most dribbles 267 (232 Hazard)
most chance's created 131 (116 Hazard)
most through balls 48 (23 Silva)

- 74 official games, 66 goals, 39 assists.
- First ever forward to player every league and CL game.
- Only one with 4 official MoM in WC14 (Robben 3) and CA15 ( Vidal 3)

Not only great team achievements, but individually dominating football the whole year in every competition. A unique performance.

[Harmonica]

Messi @28 for NT

WC14 runner-up, Golden Ball
CA15 runner-up, MVP
CA07 runner-up, Best Young Player
Olympic Gold
WCu20 champion, Golden Ball

Pele

WC70 champion, Golden Ball
WC58 champion, Silver Ball
CA59-1 runner-up, MVP

Maradona

WC86 champion, Golden Ball
WC90 runner-up, Bronze Ball
WCu20 champion, Golden Ball

Cruyff

WC74 runner-up, Golden Ball

Di Stefano

CA47 champion

[Valkyrja]

Are you trying to say that Messi was better in international competitions then Maradona and Pele?

[M99]

Harmonica excluding Pele's 62 gold medal He did play the group stages and was the best player and defenders realized they would literally have to try and kill him to stop him.

[Harmonica]

Are you trying to say that Messi was better in international competitions then Maradona and Pele?

Are you trying to say he isn't?

World Cup Career

Matches (Won - Drawn - Lost)

Pele 14 (12 - 1 - 1) = 86% win
Schillaci 7 (6 - 0 - 1) = 86% win
T.Müller 13 (11 - 1 - 1) = 85% win
G.Müller 13 (11 - 0 - 2) = 85% win
Ronaldo 19 (16 - 0 - 3) = 84% win
Eusebio 6 (5 - 0 - 1) = 83% win
Messi 15 (12 - 1 - 2) = 80% win
Romario 8 (6 - 2 - 0) = 75% win
Cruyff 7 (5 - 1 - 1) = 71% win
Klose 24 (16 - 6 - 3) = 67% win
Maradona 21 (14 - 2 - 5) = 67% win
Zidane 12 (8 - 3 - 1) = 67% win
Rossi 14 (8 - 4 - 2) = 57% win
Charlton 14 (8 - 2 - 4) = 57% win
C.Ronaldo 13 (6 - 3 - 4) = 46% win
Kempes 18 (8 - 4 - 6) = 44% win

Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved)

Messi 18 (5 + 6 + 7) out of 22 team goals = 82% (+1 SO goal)
Rossi 17 (9 + 3 + 5) out of 21 team goals = 81%
G.Müller 22 (14 (1p) + 6 + 2) out of 30 team goals = 73%
Cruyff 11 (4 + 4 + 3) out of 15 team goals = 73%
Romario 8 (5 + 3 + 0) out of 11 team goals = 73% (+1 SO goal)
Eusebio 12 (9 (4p) + 2 + 1) out of 17 team goals = 71%
Schillaci 7 (6 (1p) + 1 + 0) out of 10 team goals = 70%
Pele 22 (12 + 8 + 2) out of 37 team goals = 59%
Maradona 19 (8 + 8 + 3) out of 32 team goals = 59% (+1 SO miss and goal)
Kempes 17 (6 + 6 + 5) out of 30 team goals = 57%
T.Müller 18 (10 (1p) + 6 + 2) out of 34 team goals = 53%
Zidane 9 (5 (2p) + 2 + 2) out of 17 team goals = 53% (+1 SO goal)
Ronaldo 21 (15 (1p) + 6 + 0) out of 41 team goals = 51% (+1 SO goal)
Klose 20 (16 + 3 + 1) out of 42 team goals = 48%
C.Ronaldo 6 (3 (1p) + 2 + 1) out of 16 team goals = 38% (+1 SO goal)
Charlton 6 (4 + 0 + 2) out of 20 team goals = 30%

Harmonica excluding Pele's 62 gold medal He did play the group stages and was the best player and defenders realized they would literally have to try and kill him to stop him.

Brazil won WC62 even without Pele.

[M99]

So why don't you go ahead and exclude Messi's 06 CL win and his La Liga wins before he became a starter?

[Bankz]

Are you trying to say that Messi was better in international competitions then Maradona and Pele?

He's just trying to save face tbh..
He basically excluded messi's stats from the copa and the world cup.. Even going as far as excluding peles 1962 gold medal
well since jiopsi is the king of numbers, then lets do this
CHOKESSI'S NT CAREER IN NUMBERS.
1 goal in 6 games in CA 15
0 goals in 4 games in CA 2011
0 goals in 5 games at WC 06
4 goals in 7 games in WC 14.
SPECIAL MENTIONS.
0 goals in 2 NT tournament finals (0 wins also)
0 goals in the knock out stages for the NT in the last 8 years.
0 goals from open play in the COPA America since the past 8 years (2007) (actually 1 penalty in the last 8 years)
1 goal in 5 Olympic games. (Maybe 2)

[Harmonica]

So why don't you go ahead and exclude Messi's 06 CL win and his La Liga wins before he became a starter?

Messi didn't win CL06 with NT.

[M99]

So excluding gold medals people actually won only counts when it fits your agenda? Got it.

[Gil]

There was literally not a single bit of difference between Messi's Copa & Hazard at Chelsea. Messi, Barca's & the Champions' League all time top scorer gets praised for his all round performances despite scoring just a solitary penalty in 6 games while Hazard gets criticized for not scoring enough.

We all expected Barca's Messi the matchwinner not Eden Hazard. Disappointing tourney from Leo. Very good but not quite Diego.

[Harmonica]

So excluding gold medals people actually won only counts when it fits your agenda? Got it.

Only when it fits the actual argument. Teams win titles, players are just part of it.

Pele performed twice as the best player in the World with NT, same as Messi. Maradona and Cruyff only once and Di Stedano 0 times.

[ahmad25]

Are you trying to say that Messi was better in international competitions then Maradona and Pele?

He's just trying to save face tbh..
He basically excluded messi's stats from the copa and the world cup.. Even going as far as excluding peles 1962 gold medal
well since jiopsi is the king of numbers, then lets do this
CHOKESSI'S NT CAREER IN NUMBERS.
1 goal in 6 games in CA 15
0 goals in 4 games in CA 2011
0 goals in 5 games at WC 06
4 goals in 7 games in WC 14.
SPECIAL MENTIONS.
0 goals in 2 NT tournament finals (0 wins also)
0 goals in the knock out stages for the NT in the last 8 years.
0 goals from open play in the COPA America since the past 8 years (2007) (actually 1 penalty in the last 8 years)
1 goal in 5 Olympic games. (Maybe 2)

he said messi was involved at 82% argentina's goals and maradona only 59% in world cups. It just shows maradona's team was better and could score without him getting involved.Basically Argentina 86 was germany 2014.less stars but great team

[Ganso]

pls wake me up when messi wins something harmonica

[jibers]

pls wake me up when messi wins something harmonica

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

People talking about Maradona like they watched him play

Like they know that the only reason he was at Napoli because Barcelona sold him

[Cruijf]

Its like Harmonica and Gil are competing to see who can say the more outlandish things

[farfan]

People talking about Maradona like they watched him play

Like they know that the only reason he was at Napoli because Barcelona sold him

Are you trying to say that Messi was better in international competitions then Maradona and Pele?

He's just trying to save face tbh..
He basically excluded messi's stats from the copa and the world cup.. Even going as far as excluding peles 1962 gold medal
well since jiopsi is the king of numbers, then lets do this
CHOKESSI'S NT CAREER IN NUMBERS.
1 goal in 6 games in CA 15
0 goals in 4 games in CA 2011
0 goals in 5 games at WC 06
4 goals in 7 games in WC 14.
SPECIAL MENTIONS.
0 goals in 2 NT tournament finals (0 wins also)
0 goals in the knock out stages for the NT in the last 8 years.
0 goals from open play in the COPA America since the past 8 years (2007) (actually 1 penalty in the last 8 years)
1 goal in 5 Olympic games. (Maybe 2)

he said messi was involved at 82% argentina's goals and maradona only 59% in world cups. It just shows maradona's team was better and could score without him getting involved.Basically Argentina 86 was germany 2014.less stars but great team

are you guys serious with these anecdotal arguments ?

you do realize that " involved " includes random ass assists that were the result of deflected shitty passes ? a widely missed shot that hit someone and endend in a dangerous position ? etc...

" but but Messi was involved in more goals than Maradona "
just reeks of desperation ,give it a rest already .

sometimes there are no excuses for players not showing their club form with the NT , Henry was the same with France .

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