Re: What's next for Pep Guardiola?

by jibers Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:44 am

Adit wrote:Jibbers , imagine your Manchester tikitaka dreams coming true. Close enough .

1) tiki taka doesn't exist
2) I'm not too bothered where he goes tbh. Our club will take years and the players we have atm, he won't be able to do shit with them. No chance of us getting him. Especially with Woodward being more clueless than Scooby Doo.

by S Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:47 am

Feel bad for Pellegrini tbh

by Adit Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:48 am

You're not bothered he is going to city? That he will probably never coach United because of his city past? Surprised

by jibers Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:53 am

Adit wrote:You're not bothered he is going to city? That he will probably never coach United because of his city past?

Don't care. I expect City to dominate us for the next few years/decade even tbh. Him coming won't make a difference to City dominating. Structurally, they are just much better prepared than us.

I think people need to get a grip and realise we are in a dark period.

by Art Morte Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:58 am

If he goes to Man City, it won't be as easy as it might seem at the first glance. City players who will be in their 30's next season include: Yaya, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Fernandinho, Navas. Man City will require pretty substantial re-building in the next couple of years and while money won't be a problem, it's not always easy to find the right players.

by jibers Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:04 pm

Art Morte wrote:If he goes to Man City, it won't be as easy as it might seem at the first glance. City players who will be in their 30's next season include: Yaya, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Fernandinho, Navas. Man City will require pretty substantial re-building in the next couple of years and while money won't be a problem, it's not always easy to find the right players.

The problem is scouting. Look at BVB and Juventus. It's not about big names. If Pep can get the right scouting team the players are out there. Him being at City would be a big draw as well to attract talent.

by MaraVilla Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:06 pm

what a manager, he's going to be on messi/cr/rooney salary once he moves to EPL

by S Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:10 pm

Art Morte wrote:If he goes to Man City, it won't be as easy as it might seem at the first glance. City players who will be in their 30's next season include: Yaya, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Fernandinho, Navas. Man City will require pretty substantial re-building in the next couple of years and while money won't be a problem, it's not always easy to find the right players.

That squad still has enough gas in the tank to last a yr or two.
I'm sure they won't rebuild the whole squad at once.
The older players will be slowly phased out.

It will be much easier task for Pep to maintain winning momentum at City coz they have players and a playing style that appeals to him so it won't take much time for the players to adapt to Pep's style.
Whereas United or even Chelsea for that matter would require serious rebuilding work.

by Winter is Coming Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:27 pm

I don't see why people care about were he goes and come out with things like, "He needs to prove himself" or "he's a coward". Pep himself said he isn't a long term manager and won't be like Fergie or Arsene and personally the demands in football today I doubt there will be another of their breed honestly. This is the problem the higher ups in Arsenal and United think they could still get one like them. They both didn't show as much of an interest on Pep as it seems City have. Chelsea too, but Roman is firing machine and I doubt Pep would go to a place where Mou is worshiped. Pep himself doesn't seem like he wants to coach for long term (think he'll retire mid 50's or late 50's). Despite City/PSG being funded by Oil, I do like the vision there owners seem to have for there clubs.

He'll probably go to City for 3 years (48 by then) then go to either PSG (3, 51) or Italy (3, 54) or vice versa and probably take over a national team (57), then retire.

by RealGunner Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:54 pm

S wrote:Chelsea won't be in CL next yr.He's definitely not managing them.

City this season could make the quarters or perhaps even further so there's your answer, it's natural progression for Pep.Take over the best , most stacked , biggest budget team in that league and being hailed over as a genius coach by his fanboys because, you know, he wins titles with the best team...color me surprised !!

Too big of a coward to manage someone like Arsenal in my book.

And then you see, there are coaches out there like Jurgen Klopp who don't care about reputation but take up big challenges.I mean, he could've easily got a big team job if he wanted to.

I wouldn't say Pep is overrated but he definitely is overglorified and overhyped by his fanboys.

Ending my rant (:

Fantastic post

by Winter is Coming Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:09 pm

Run into this on BM forum

Kicker saying (in the print edition) he threw Dr Braun out of his office, claiming he can't work reasonably here. According to them Braun had warned him not to field players too early, most recently with Ribery. Braun saying Guardiola is at fault and Guardiola saying Braun is at fault.

Read elsewhere that the club hierarchy has been trying to set a meeting with him since spring but he kept stalling. There was a meeting supposed to take place during the CL week when Arsenal was in Munich. Well, it was cancelled by the Guardiola side last minute. Kicker saying he wanted to stall the talks until April (!), but the club hierarchy vetoed that. Signs not everything is rosy in paradise where there when Kalle praised everyone in the club at the general assembly but didn't mention Pep with one word.

Talks with players over extensions lasted weeks and talks with Guardiola are supposed to take a single meeting only? Hard to believe. Merkur is probably right saying he's informed the club last week and the decision has been made. They're a local paper and not known for being overly sensationalist.

by Art Morte Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:41 pm

S wrote:
Art Morte wrote:If he goes to Man City, it won't be as easy as it might seem at the first glance. City players who will be in their 30's next season include: Yaya, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Fernandinho, Navas. Man City will require pretty substantial re-building in the next couple of years and while money won't be a problem, it's not always easy to find the right players.

That squad still has enough gas in the tank to last a yr or two.

Maybe. With one or two successful reinforcements next summer, probably. But the City squad as it is now is peaking right now and closer to the decline curve than the start of the peak. ~~If we were talking Serie A it would be different, of course.~~ Whoever is Man City's manager next season, is going to need top motivational skills to keep all those 30+ players at the level that's expected of them.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:03 pm

Will never understand this needs to prove himself at a smaller club stuff and he's a coward if he doesn't stuff tbh.

If you start and dominate at the top you don't willingly go down lol, that applies to all walks of life. Same retarded logic is applied to Messi for some reason.

Yet it doesn't apply to any other manager or player for some reason.

by S Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:04 pm

Aguero
De Bruyne
Fernandinho
Yaya
Kompany
Hart

Core of the team.And at best, you'd only need to replace Yaya and Fernandinho.Immediate reinforcement would probably be a Yaya replacement.
I don't know why included Kompany in the list.He's a defender and and can probably carry on for 2-3 yrs atleast.
I am merely suggesting that a slow phasing out would work out for City.They are not in that bad a position where they need to rejuvenate the whole squad at one go.
Their key players are still all young.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:06 pm

S wrote:
Art Morte wrote:If he goes to Man City, it won't be as easy as it might seem at the first glance. City players who will be in their 30's next season include: Yaya, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Fernandinho, Navas. Man City will require pretty substantial re-building in the next couple of years and while money won't be a problem, it's not always easy to find the right players.

That squad still has enough gas in the tank to last a yr or two.
I'm sure they won't rebuild the whole squad at once.
The older players will be slowly phased out.

It will be much easier task for Pep to maintain winning momentum at City coz they have players and a playing style that appeals to him so it won't take much time for the players to adapt to Pep's style.
Whereas United or even Chelsea for that matter would require serious rebuilding work.

What style of play lol? Bayern play absolutely nothing like his Barca team did, since the first year he has clearly adapted to Bayern and not the other way around.

by S Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:22 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Will never understand this needs to prove himself at a smaller club stuff and he's a coward if he doesn't stuff tbh.

If you start and dominate at the top you don't willingly go down lol, that applies to all walks of life. Same retarded logic is applied to Messi for some reason.

Yet it doesn't apply to any other manager or player for some reason.

Don't try to twist things now.

Two things,
A.He gets over the top praise for what is basically maintaining winning momentum of a club that's been winning for yrs.Seeing
the praise he gets, you'd have to think he's revolutionized the club.People recognize that he's fine-tuning a top club and take them a step higher(even tho we are yet to see this) yet I don't know if that's enough for him to be rated best manager in the world.I don't even know what that means because what basis do people have to rate a manager the best apart from winning titles ? A yr ago , people were calling Ancelotti the best because he wrecked Bayern, now suddenly he isn't.

B . That's true.When you reach a level you wouldn't want to go below that, but how big of a step down is Man U or Chelsea or even Arsenal for that matter ?

by S Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:26 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
S wrote:
Art Morte wrote:If he goes to Man City, it won't be as easy as it might seem at the first glance. City players who will be in their 30's next season include: Yaya, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Fernandinho, Navas. Man City will require pretty substantial re-building in the next couple of years and while money won't be a problem, it's not always easy to find the right players.

That squad still has enough gas in the tank to last a yr or two.
I'm sure they won't rebuild the whole squad at once.
The older players will be slowly phased out.

It will be much easier task for Pep to maintain winning momentum at City coz they have players and a playing style that appeals to him so it won't take much time for the players to adapt to Pep's style.
Whereas United or even Chelsea for that matter would require serious rebuilding work.

What style of play lol? Bayern play absolutely nothing like his Barca team did, since the first year he has clearly adapted to Bayern and not the other way around.

As in a possession based attacking style of play(not referencinh to Barca's tiki taka).Currently City are best at it.
Chelsea play more physical Italian style while I don't know what football United are playing atm Laughing

by Lucifer Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:29 pm

"United's philosophy : platy shit get point" how many times I have to repaet it :coffee:

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:29 pm

Fine tuning lol, so much history revisionist it's unreal.

Barca were a *bleep* mess before he took over. What he did was a lot more than mere fine tuning.

Also how do you know he won't take over one of those clubs? Outside of City he has little choice if he manages in England. Also tbf it's not up to him if he wants to manage Arsenal as Wenger will decide that lol.

by jibers Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:31 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Fine tuning lol, so much history revisionist it's unreal.

Barca were a *bleep* mess before he took over. What he did was a lot more than mere fine tuning.

Also how do you know he won't take over one of those clubs? Outside of City he has little choice if he manages in England. Also tbf it's not up to him if he wants to manage Arsenal as Wenger will decide that lol.

You just have to lol. The core of Rijkaards team he got rid of it. Barcelona were third and doing a Pasillo for Madrid but Pep took over a stacked winning team (:

Pep agreed to join Bayern after they had flopped 3 titles, but he chose to take of a treblet team (:

This forum is filld with tards.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:35 pm

S wrote:
As in a possession based attacking style of play(not referencinh to Barca's tiki taka).Currently City are best at it.
Chelsea play more physical Italian style while I don't know what football United are playing atm

Let's see... More often not he pairs Lewandowski with Muller... You couldn't find a more prototypical front two if you tried lol.

His wingers are allowed more freedom than any team in Europe most likely which is a stark contrast to Barca's wide players who were allowed little to no freedom because of Messi which is also quite different to the Lewa-Muller tandem.

The idea he's set in his ways and can't adapt is not only wrong but very ignorant.

by S Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:38 pm

Yet that messy Barça were semi-finalists before he took over Laughing

He ofcourse did an awesome job at Barça but let's not pretend he took over a team from rock bottom Laughing

He was blessed with abundance of talent.

by jibers Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:40 pm

S wrote:Yet that messy Barça were semi-finalists before he took over

He ofcourse did an awesome job at Barça but let's not pretend he took over a team from rock bottom

He was blessed with abundance of talent.

Like Mou at Inter and Chelsea and Madrid and even Porto? What manager doesn't win with talent? What a ridiculous argument. LOL at City playing possession football, whatever that is.

by S Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:46 pm

jibers wrote:
S wrote:Yet that messy Barça were semi-finalists before he took over

He ofcourse did an awesome job at Barça but let's not pretend he took over a team from rock bottom

He was blessed with abundance of talent.

Like Mou at Inter and Chelsea and Madrid and even Porto? What manager doesn't win with talent? What a ridiculous argument. LOL at City playing possession football, whatever that is.

Talent as in top 3 player in the history Of the game

Best two midfielders of their generation

What makes Pep the 'best manager in the world' or whatever that is but not someone like Simeone for example ?
How can you rate coaches purely based on titles won

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:47 pm

They just about scraped through Schalke to get to the semi finals lol, they had the easiest run in many years. A lot easier than than some of the Madrid runs Barca fans complain about.

Anyway that team was a mess I don't care about how talented they were...

Abidal was performing like shit and nowhere the poor mans Thuram he turned into, Pique wasn't there yet obviously and neither was Alves as well as Busquets. Iniesta was barely starting games and didn't look like becoming anywhere near the player he would become, Ronaldinho and Deco were both the key men and both shipped out.

Don't even get me started on Xavi Laughing

who wasn't performing to anywhere near the same standard he would produce in the coming years and would be benched by Edmilson and Motta quite often Laughing

That's without mentioning the other players who were key members like Zambrotta, Marquez and Thuram who were shipped out.

The idea he just fine tuned that team is absolutely hilarious.

by jibers Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:53 pm

S wrote:
jibers wrote:
S wrote:Yet that messy Barça were semi-finalists before he took over

He ofcourse did an awesome job at Barça but let's not pretend he took over a team from rock bottom

He was blessed with abundance of talent.

Like Mou at Inter and Chelsea and Madrid and even Porto? What manager doesn't win with talent? What a ridiculous argument. LOL at City playing possession football, whatever that is.

Talent as in top 3 player in the history Of the game

Best two midfielders of their generation

What makes Pep the 'best manager in the world' or whatever that is but not someone like Simeone for example ?
How can you rate coaches purely based on titles won

WHen Pep took over, Messi was injured every 2 months, Xavi was on his way out. Give Mou Xavi and Iniesta do you think they would have been as good.

And was Simeones style ever good on the eyes? Imagine what Pep would do with someone such as Oliver Torres. He is respected because of the way his team played and he did revolutionise the game, this obsession with possession and stats is a direct result of Barcelonas dominance.

Using a half back, bringing La Volpes spread CB technique, using postional play and consistent numerical superiority in mf. He brought all these things together.

I never said he is the best manager in the world, in fact I think his 'management' is questinable. Coahcing wise, in term of the playing style he implements, I think his style is one of if not the best. The only ones that I can compare are Tuchels, Schmidt and Sarri.

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