Juventus Match Hub 2016-17

People will argue that the mentality is necessary, but most traditions flat out suck and need to stay in the past.


It's common sense to look at the top teams and how they play. You don't even sacrifice defence for attack most of the time. Bayern and Barca have been right up there with Juve as the leading clubs for goals conceded in the past 4-5 Years.

Do they do that by grabbing a goal then spending 50 minutes letting Celta Vigo or Hertha Berlin walk all over them pinning them back? No, no they do not.

Sometimes I just dont understand alegri
When you play against small opponents what you looking for is more guys like khedira, mandzukic who can go for headers but against strong opponent you need better counter attack options  like cuadrado, pjaca, higuain
It kinda makes sense to me that way but alegri somehw chose the opposite which is kinda weird to me

442 flat i believe is really good formation to start the game with, you respecting the opponent but you still have 2 strikers to let them know you want to win the game

However , a problem with 442 is when you approach forwards for the long balls and the headers, you want to have a guy like khedira who can switch positions with dybala and compensate for the strength inside the box

Another problem is that when you defend too deep you also need a guy with high energy like nedved, vidal, peryera, giacherini, asamoah, one of these guys to make pressure on opponents

Because of that we need asamoah or cuadrado in the center of 352

4-4-2 or some variant I.E a 4-2-2-2 would suit the players we have now, obviously you test it and practice against lesser opposition before trying it against the big boys but right now these are facts about our squad


Our midfield, particularly without Marchisio, is nowhere near the midfields we've had recently. It's not by any means a strong point in the team

We've brought in 2 wide players, Cuadrado and Pjaca. Thankfully one for each side.

We need to play Dybala and Higuain when possible.


So in a 4-4-2 variation we're no longer reliant on our midfield. We are in fact removing one central midfielder.

Our width and wing play in general is much, much better than it is with a 3-5-2. And both Dybala and Higuain can continue to work together in roles that suit them.

I've been thinking about this in the last 2-3 matches but imo Hernanes has to be a starter while Marchisio is out. Why? He has the vision, the pass and is aware about the space and the players around him but he is to weak physically that will cost us against top clubs with him as DM, so far he is great in this game.

Lemina is box to box simple as that he needs to remain as box to box, we are playing without Khedira and Marchisio so far so good. Pjanic is advanced playmaker and needs to stay as one.

Higuain continues to surprise me as you know I hate him. Rugani has to play more and Alves is great when we are chasing a goal but imo Licht > Avles in defense.

hernanes 8 say scored com
the good performances should not be forgoten

----------- higu -- dybala ----------
sandro -- witsel - lemina --- cuadrado
--------------- pjanic --------------
------ cb ------- cb ------ cb ------


witsel for the headers
lemina for the energy

perfect

HERNANES...

Just when I say we are gonna play tag in the 2nd half we come out guns blazing and score 4. Good for us. Looks like most of the players were in their proper positions today.

Pjanic seems much more comfortable in an advanced role, so both Allegri and I were wrong, he is not a regista. If anything we can turn him into a CAM when Marchisio gets back. Rugani needs more playing time, he will be the next Juventino star at the back end. Lemina is gonna be a very good box to box player, he is Khedira's replacement on the right.

Can't wait until Marchisio gets back and he can play the regista role which will allow Pjanic to play more advanced and allow us to play different formations. Hey, the 3-5-2 IS gonna work against the fodder with all of our quality, but we must prepare this team to play the big boys.

lucianomoggi wrote:----------- higu -- dybala ----------
sandro -- witsel - lemina --- cuadrado
--------------- pjanic --------------
------ cb ------- cb ------ cb ------


witsel for the headers
lemina for the energy

perfect

Marchisio to play in front of the defense and I would have Pjanic as a CAM...

i dont see them both playing unless we switch to 4312
and use pjanic little wide focused like pogba

rhere has to be a guy like lemina, sturaro to add energy
and there also has to be a guy for the headers, vieira, khedira, witsel

but cuadrado to be dropped

----------- higu -- dybala ----------
sandro -- witsel - lemina --- pjanic
-------------- marchisio--------------
------ cb ------- cb ------ cb ------

this team but 4312

If we play a 4-3-1-2, even in certain circumstances, it leaves us with no depth in the middle, I couldn't even picture it for a game or two due to the squad composition.

It's going to be 3-5-2 until death and I don't have a problem with it. I was very critical after the Sevilla game but that was more due to the lack of chances we created. Rincon pointed out it was more of a personnel issue rather than a formation issue, and while I agree to an extent, a four man backline automatically forces an extra midfielder or attacker.

I think the real problem is the balance of our midfield without Marchisio. Khedira is great and so is Lemina, and Asamoah is a good player too but all three of them lack passing as their strongest trait. I can't help but think a midfield 3 of Lemina-Hernanes-Pjanic makes the most sense until Marchisio returns and then we can play Marchisio-Pjanic-Khedira, with Marchisio in front of the defense and Pjanic having more freedom.

Sure that is why I was so sure hernanes will stay another seasoneven though we got pjanic we have marchisio injury problem so because of that we was forced to keep hernanes unless substitute with another guy which was somehow not necessary to spend money

A problem is that aduo or hernanes + pjanic in center has lots of weakness the headers and energy its not like those guys run like nedved, vidal neither they are big as vieira, so its a problem that has to be addressed,

When we want to go extreme attacking minded f that, add thosetwo Iin the center but when you want to show more respect for opponent you should only play one of them , I wouldnt play two

Anothwr problem I fear is that pjanic has been a flop
I mean ths guy doesnt really add physical preaence and the creqtivity is a must have situation for a starting xi level

Hernanes is a depth guy we did not buy him 30 million , pjanic should ahow much more than hernanes otherwise he is a flop

Long balls
Dribbling
Goals, assists

Pjanic ia reaponsible for that
There is no way I crticise the 352 formation just to excuse his lack of activity

But even that is not going to be a problem wheb cuadrado and marchiwio are ready to play, pjanic can be subatituted

Yesterday's game was awesome, a very good reaction to the bad form we've had in the last 2 games. @gigi, 352 is the backbone of the team and everyone played well in the game, even Hernanes. I was impressed by him and his words that he would have jeered himself. Pjanic, much better than in the regista role.

lucianomoggi wrote:Anothwr problem I fear is that pjanic has been a flop
I mean ths guy doesnt really add physical preaence and the creqtivity is a must have situation for a starting xi level

Hernanes is a depth guy we did not buy him 30 million , pjanic should ahow much more than hernanes otherwise he is a flop

Long balls
Dribbling
Goals, assists

Pjanic ia reaponsible for that
There is no way I crticise the 352 formation just to excuse his lack of activity

But even that is not going to be a problem wheb cuadrado and marchiwio are ready to play, pjanic can be subatituted

HE had 1 assist yesterday and 2 of his actions and passes led to the other goals, same in the Sassuolo game + a goal, he is doing great. When he is on the field we play much better and different football

It might be smart to rest Dybala and start Pjaca against Palermo so he stays sharp for Zagreb, if he needs a rest.

@devi

if pjanic and dybala work good there is nothin to worry about they are the playmakers our messi & iniesta

rincon wrote:It might be smart to rest Dybala and start Pjaca against Palermo so he stays sharp for Zagreb, if he needs a rest.

Yeah it seems like some time off could benefit Dybala. I think Higuain and Pjaca should play the full match vs Palermo. Mandzukic instead of Pipita will be fair enough against a weak opponent like Zagreb.

The same midfield than yesterday should be displayed as well. Hernanes was quite decent and deserves, imo, another start.

its kinda weird to hear you guys say start hernanes lol

yeah i had to pinch myself a couple of times just to be sure i was not dreaming

Lemina and Pjanic need not to be wasted in the regista role, so it is best to see Hernanes play there rather than Asamoah, who isn't convincing me at the moment.

Our midfield is our weak link. We need to fix it and also transition away from the 3-5-2 if we want CL glory.

Marchisio, Witsel, Bentancur will all help our midfield. We need Marchisio now though because he is the best at playing as a regista. Once we get him back we will be fine until January when we can pick up another midfielder, perhaps Witsel. That will allow us to make the switch to a back 4, use our wingers in Pjaca and Cuadrado and also allow Pjanic to play in a more advanced role, possibly as a CAM. A 4-3-3 with Pjaca and Cuadrado on the wings should be used in CL. And then after January we can go with a 4-3-1-2 and have Pjanic as a CAM and Witsel in the mezzala role.

2 wingbacks ( zambrota, camoranesi)
2 men for the headers ( trezeguet, vieira )
1 man for the energy in center ( nedved )
2 playmakers ( del piero, nedved )
3 center backs ( kovac, canavaro, thuram)

2 wingbacks ( cuadrado, sandro)
2 men for the headers ( higuain, khedira/witsel )
1 man for the energy in center ( marchisio, peryera, asamoah, sturaro, lemina)
2 playmakers ( dybala, pjanic )
3 center backs

------------ hig --- dyba ---------
pjanic - marchisio - khedira - cuadrado
sandro -- chellini -- bonuci -- barzagli

442

4-3-1-2:

Alves Bonucci Chiellini Sandro

Khedira Marchisio Witsel

Pjanic

Higuain Dyabla

@lucianomoggi and I agreeing on formations, tactics, and on Hernanes starting for now

rincon wrote:@lucianomoggi and I agreeing on formations, tactics, and on Hernanes starting for now

tactics are complex there can be different approaches but i like juve/italian approach

the old lady knows what is doing there is football tradition here