European Refugee Crisis

Myesyats wrote:

M99 wrote:Yeah because the word white boy was historically used as a racial slur against people that were not considered human and enslaved.

Take any word you want and that statement still stands.

BTW the term 'negro' is not a slur in Latin America at all. Also, black people use it all the time when talking to each other.

Western media created such a picture of that issue that it seems like black people can't be racist towards white people... They are.

How many black people do you guys really have in Poland?

Thats why other minorities, at the end of the day, have to stand up for Muslims. The racism won't stop with them. We are talking about ISIS attacks in Europe, and the topic automatically goes towards the black folks from a person in a nation where Sub Saharan African percentages are negligible. How many racist black folks are in Poland?

It sadly seems that the true issue is that a lot of Europeans,  after centuries of running around to other places, don't want ANY non whites in their country. Doesnt matter if they don't worship the moon god(Majority of Black french and English,Spanish people), or if they have education achievements that surpass the normal populations(East Asians).

I feel like an honest discussion can begin when certain people just say they really want an ALL WHITE Europe. The truth would set them free

rwo power wrote:

Myesyats wrote:If you were born and raised in Europe you are familiar with European culture, history and basic principles. In that case there is no doubt you can coexist with anybody in the enviroment.

So what do you make of two brothers from Kosovo who were just arrested as prime suspects in planning a terror attack on the CentrO in Oberhausen?

what was their motive does anyone know.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Myesyats wrote:

M99 wrote:Yeah because the word white boy was historically used as a racial slur against people that were not considered human and enslaved.

Take any word you want and that statement still stands.

BTW the term 'negro' is not a slur in Latin America at all. Also, black people use it all the time when talking to each other.

Western media created such a picture of that issue that it seems like black people can't be racist towards white people... They are.

How many black people do you guys really have in Poland?

Thats why other minorities, at the end of the day, have to stand up for Muslims. The racism won't stop with them. We are talking about ISIS attacks in Europe, and the topic automatically goes towards the black folks from a person in a nation where Sub Saharan African percentages are negligible. How many racist black folks are in Poland?

It sadly seems that the true issue is that a lot of Europeans,  after centuries of running around to other places, don't want ANY non whites in their country. Doesnt matter if they don't worship the moon god(Majority of Black french and English,Spanish people), or if they have education achievements that surpass the normal populations(East Asians).

I feel like an honest discussion can begin when certain people just say they really want an ALL WHITE Europe. The truth would set them free

what people look like is not the problem. its the crazy shit they got brain washed with that's the problem. in England we have lots of Chinese people for instance and in my 42 years I can say hand on heart I have never seen one person that has had trouble or a problem with a Chinese person. they come here they do there best to fit in. they don't bother anyone they just live and let live and they got on just fine.

Unique wrote:
what people look like is not the problem. its the crazy shit they got brain washed with that's the problem. in England we have lots of Chinese people for instance and in my 42 years I can say hand on heart I have never seen one person that has had trouble or a problem with a Chinese person. they come here they do there best to fit in. they don't bother anyone they just live and let live and they got on just fine.

What they look like IS an issue, and if you haven't seen Chinese discrimination in the uK you obviously have not been looking hard enough.

British Chinese people say racism against them is 'ignored'

Chinese Britons have put up with racism for too long

Even the Chinese girl in Harry Potter has spoke about her problems:
Harry Potter actress Katie Leung: I regularly experience racism

In fact there is a Chinese play in the west end of London right now at the Print room that did not even audition Asians for roles in the play, while there are hundreds of Asian actors in london. They rather cast White actors in YELLOWFACE. And these are just Chinese examples. I won't even get into anti other east Asian examples which have been in the news(Footballer Vardy racially abusing a Japanese man in a casino, as nobody said anything inside the place), I picked Chinese since you mentioned that.

The idea that if a minority group comes to a place, fully assimilates to a point where they excel, that they are somehow protected from people who don't want others around is simply a statement that is not true.

Betty La Fea wrote:How many black people do you guys really have in Poland?

Thats why other minorities, at the end of the day, have to stand up for Muslims. The racism won't stop with them. We are talking about ISIS attacks in Europe, and the topic automatically goes towards the black folks from a person in a nation where Sub Saharan African percentages are negligible. How many racist black folks are in Poland?

It sadly seems that the true issue is that a lot of Europeans,  after centuries of running around to other places, don't want ANY non whites in their country. Doesnt matter if they don't worship the moon god(Majority of Black french and English,Spanish people), or if they have education achievements that surpass the normal populations(East Asians).

I feel like an honest discussion can begin when certain people just say they really want an ALL WHITE Europe. The truth would set them free

Again, the point is being completely missed. I never said I want an all white Europe (again trying to portray me as some kind of neo nazi because I don't agree with open door immigration policy, so typical). I'm fine with people of any kind coming into my country. The problem is with MASS immigration and the fact that terrorism is very popular among the people who come. I can't speak for everyone obviously but their religion tells them that murder is justified in the name of Allah.

It's still beyond me that I have to explain this shit after all that's been happening. A minority can be racist. Get that to your head.

Also good example from Unique about Chinese people. Very intelligent folks.

It's not racist to state facts backed with evidence.

By the way.

Can anyone explain to me, if refugees are so willing to cooperate and nice, then why Angela Merkel now wants to ship them back to their country after letting so many of them in?

Because they're not nice and unwilling to cooperate. They don't want to accept the rules. They protest when Germany wants to ban burqa? Like WTF? You've been given asylum and you have the guts to shit on us? You came to our country so respect our values.

Can you imagine Chinese people coming in large numbers into Germany, for instance, and sexually abusing children at swimming pools?

Nah mate. And you tell me this is fine?

Myesyats wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:How many black people do you guys really have in Poland?

Thats why other minorities, at the end of the day, have to stand up for Muslims. The racism won't stop with them. We are talking about ISIS attacks in Europe, and the topic automatically goes towards the black folks from a person in a nation where Sub Saharan African percentages are negligible. How many racist black folks are in Poland?

It sadly seems that the true issue is that a lot of Europeans,  after centuries of running around to other places, don't want ANY non whites in their country. Doesnt matter if they don't worship the moon god(Majority of Black french and English,Spanish people), or if they have education achievements that surpass the normal populations(East Asians).

I feel like an honest discussion can begin when certain people just say they really want an ALL WHITE Europe. The truth would set them free

Again, the point is being completely missed. I never said I want an all white Europe (again trying to portray me as some kind of neo nazi because I don't agree with open door immigration policy, so typical). I'm fine with people of any kind coming into my country. The problem is with MASS immigration and the fact that terrorism is very popular among the people who come. I can't speak for everyone obviously but their religion tells them that murder is justified in the name of Allah.

It's still beyond me that I have to explain this shit after all that's been happening. A minority can be racist. Get that to your head.

Also good example from Unique about Chinese people. Very intelligent folks.

It's not racist to state facts backed with evidence.

Yet they are still discriminated against in Europe. What does this say?

Myesyats you can admit you want an all white Europe because you clearly do. I, at least, wouldnt hold that against you because you would be speaking your truth. Nobody should feel shame for speaking their truth.

Myesyats wrote:By the way.

Can anyone explain to me, if refugees are so willing to cooperate and nice, then why Angela Merkel now wants to ship them back to their country after letting so many of them in?

Because they're not nice and unwilling to cooperate. They don't want to accept the rules. They protest when Germany wants to ban burqa? Like WTF? You've been given asylum and you have the guts to shit on us? You came to our country so respect our values.

Can you imagine Chinese people coming in large numbers into Germany, for instance, and sexually abusing children at swimming pools?

Nah mate. And you tell me this is fine?

Europeans do this in Asia all the time, and you don't see Chinese and other Asian people turning into far right nationalists banging on about their Confucian heritage of Asians. Why is this the case?

I don't see why the dog whistles are so prevalent now. Trump won in America because he said what he meant. If people don't want different minorities in Europe why don't they just admit it?

Betty La Fea wrote:Yet they are still discriminated against in Europe. What does this say?

Myesyats you can admit you want an all white Europe because you clearly do. I, at least, wouldnt hold that against you because you would be speaking your truth. Nobody should feel shame for speaking their truth.

It says that a lot of white people feel superior to other races because how the course of history proceeded. But the situation needs to be looked from all perspectives.

I want an all-civilized Europe, not all-white.

A 10 yeard old boy was raped in an European country, by a 20 year old Iraqi refugee, and the offender was found not guilty because he didn't speak the language of the country and couldn't tell if the boy liked it or not.

What does THAT say?

Myesyats wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:Yet they are still discriminated against in Europe. What does this say?

Myesyats you can admit you want an all white Europe because you clearly do. I, at least, wouldnt hold that against you because you would be speaking your truth. Nobody should feel shame for speaking their truth.

It says that a lot of white people feel superior to other races because how the course of history proceeded. But the situation needs to be looked from all perspectives.

I want an all-civilized Europe, not all-white.

A 10 yeard old boy was raped in an European country, by a 20 year old Iraqi refugee, and the offender was found not guilty because he didn't speak the language of the country and couldn't tell if the boy liked it or not.

What does THAT say?

I liked this post because you are speaking your truth

What does history have to do with Günther Oettinger calling Chinese Slit eyes and dogs though? If it was historical racism then it could be racism based on achievements, and other things. Abusing Asians for having Epicanthic folds has nothing to do with history, but that is my perspective. What would the European perspective be for having an EU minister say that, and not have to step down?

That story is terrible. No kid should be raped in their nation. This goes all ways though. Why is it a big issue when it happens to white kids by asylum seekers, but not when it happens to Asian kids(which it has been for decades now) by sexpats from Europe? It makes the argument seem, from my perspective, more about European nationalism, and less about actual sex crimes. The main issue turns into how Civilized can Europe truly be if they export their sexual deviants to foreign nations? the idea seems to be that these immigrants are "Uncivilized" for bringing such behavior with them overseas, so does this same criteria fit on people who are not Muslim?

You're missing Meysyats point. You can be open with every kind of people, accept every kind of race and religion, you can be against racism of any kind including your examples, but at the same time you can be skeptical and unwelcoming about mass uncontrolled and undocumented immigration of people that can be hostile towards the country's culture they're being hospitated, and can and have indeed commited so many acts of terrorism in such a short span and share the same religion of people that the terrorists are claiming is the sole reason for their terrorist acts without being labeled as a racist/hypocrite. Why are refugees with criminal records/Isis affiliation/mental that are not running from any war people given asylum in a batter of an for example?

Katy Perry wrote:You're missing Meysyats point. You can be open with every kind of people, accept every kind of race and religion, you can be against racism of any kind including your examples, but at the same time you can be skeptical and unwelcoming about mass uncontrolled and undocumented immigration of people that can be hostile towards the country's culture they're being hospitated, and can and have indeed commited so many acts of terrorism in such a short span and share the same religion of people that the terrorists are claiming is the sole reason for their terrorist acts without being labeled as a racist/hypocrite. Why are refugees with criminal records/Isis affiliation/mental that are not running from any war people given asylum in a batter of an for example?

Oh I definitely see his point, its just my counterpoint of a group assimilating and exceeding the local population is still met with distrust,racism, and disdain.

The issue isnt the muslim Asylum seekers. Its people not wanting people different from them in their nation outright. If it wasn't the muslims it would be the blacks,Asians,slavs...ect. The right in Europe just wants others out all together.

Betty La Fea wrote:Why is it a big issue when it happens to white kids by asylum seekers, but not when it happens to Asian kids(which it has been for decades now) by sexpats from Europe?

When did I say Asian kids being raped is not a big issue? Never.

I just can't relate to that because I know nothing about it whereas I am familiar with the current refugee issue because it happens right beside me.

I won't deny that there wouldn't people like that. People are packs animal and have always tended to form groups based on exclusivity and form an us vs them mentality in their history. There will always be racists. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that 20% of Trump's supporters want slavery back

But the majority of people's skepticism and unhostility towards muslim asylum seekers (including Meysyats) isn't based on that and isn't completely unwarranted racism.
If, say, amongst asian/blacks/slavs seeking asylum, there are certain that commit multiple act of terrorism in the name of Asia/whatever, completely repudiate every single religion/culture different from theirs in their homeland, or humiliate and subjugate their women, or believe that they need to extinguish every other infidel, or *bleep* publish a detailed video of how to prepare bombs and cut infidel's throats with italian and I dont know how many other languages subtitles

Spoiler:

, then, they would be hostile and unwelcoming towards an undocumented and uncontrolled mass immigration of asian/black/slavs.
It's not about racism/wanting an all white Europe, it's about something as simple as survival istinct/wanting to keep harmony.

Myesyats wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:Why is it a big issue when it happens to white kids by asylum seekers, but not when it happens to Asian kids(which it has been for decades now) by sexpats from Europe?

When did I say Asian kids being raped is not a big issue? Never.

I just can't relate to that because I know nothing about it whereas I am familiar with the current refugee issue because it happens right beside me.

You never mentioned it all. No Europeans do, which is pretty shocking considering its their countrymen that are doing it.

A british aristocrat was running a dope trade and sex trafficking shop in the middle of the phillippines for decades before he died(Baron Moynihan). Nobody ever spoke about this until the Philippine president Duterte's men killed his daughter who was still running the underaged sex trade, and you want to know where the western outrage is on? Not on the pedo drug runners, but on the fact that the Philippine president is actually cleaning up the streets by putting bullets in these people's heads. Its quite amazing really.

I understand its all about where we place our values though. It might take some soul searching to truly understand why you relate more to a European kid who looks like you being raped by an asylum seeker, more than an Asian kid in their nation being raped by somebody who also looks like you. Globalization should, in theory, make us more empathetic to people no matter their background. That is the one hope we would have for it at least.

Katy Perry wrote:I won't deny that there wouldn't people like that. People are packs animal and have always tended to form groups based on exclusivity and form an us vs them mentality in their history. There will always be racists. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that 20% of Trump's supporters want slavery back

But the majority of people's skepticism and unhostility towards muslim asylum seekers (including Meysyats) isn't based on that and isn't completely unwarranted racism.
If, say, amongst asian/blacks/slavs seeking asylum, there are certain that commit multiple act of terrorism in the name of Asia/whatever, completely repudiate every single religion/culture different from theirs in their homeland, or humiliate and subjugate their women, or believe that they need to extinguish every other infidel, or *bleep* publish a detailed video of how to prepare bombs and cut infidel's throats with italian and I dont know how many other languages subtitles

Spoiler:

, then, they would be hostile and unwelcoming towards an undocumented and uncontrolled mass immigration of asian/black/slavs.
It's not about racism/wanting an all white Europe, it's about something as simple as survival istinct/wanting to keep harmony.

The Britons colonized the Caribbean for centuries before west indians began arriving in the UK. When they arrived they were met with the same hostility:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Notting_Hill_race_riots

Despite the fact that these people were nothing but Dark skinned English people(culturally) with funny accents. The cultural divide between the groups were negligible because these people were colonized by the UK for centuries at that point. It was the color. Its the same now. Better people are able to clean it up, but lets get real if these people weren't calling for Jihad they would still run into these issues. The issue isnt culture, its people not wanting people who don't look like them around. In a vacuum I could accept such argument, but these people always parrot the same rhetoric to other groups. Theres always a scapegoat.

Yes, that's stupid, that's unwarranted and retrograde unmotivated and racism. And like I said, there will be always people like that. Still doesn't justify why are you labeling Meysyats like that as he clearly has a point and a reasoning and isn't just blindly racist. I would be actually offended if I was in Meysyats' place

Betty La Fea wrote:

Myesyats wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:Why is it a big issue when it happens to white kids by asylum seekers, but not when it happens to Asian kids(which it has been for decades now) by sexpats from Europe?

When did I say Asian kids being raped is not a big issue? Never.

I just can't relate to that because I know nothing about it whereas I am familiar with the current refugee issue because it happens right beside me.

You never mentioned it all. No Europeans do, which is pretty shocking considering its their countrymen that are doing it.

A british aristocrat was running a dope trade and sex trafficking shop in the middle of the phillippines for decades before he died(Baron Moynihan). Nobody ever spoke about this until the Philippine president Duterte's men killed his daughter who was still running the underaged sex trade, and you want to know where the western outrage is on? Not on the pedo drug runners, but on the fact that the Philippine president is actually cleaning up the streets by putting bullets in these people's heads. Its quite amazing really.

I understand its all about where we place our values though. It might take some soul searching to truly understand why you relate more to a European kid who looks like you being raped by an asylum seeker, more than an Asian kid in their nation being raped by somebody who also looks like you. Globalization should, in theory, make us more empathetic to people no matter their background. That is the one hope we would have for it at least.

You need to understand they don't talk about Asian children on European TV channels. They talk about European children.

I feel bad for not knowing stuff but on the news they show only what they want and in what other way am I supposed to learn about crime in Asia? They don't talk about it. They talk about volcano eruptions!


Mass immigration is not being handled well in Europe and that's the problem. We are dealing with a lot of dangerous people between innocent mothers and children.

You say: Globalization should, in theory, make us more empathetic to people no matter their background. That is the one hope we would have for it at least.

You think I, as a white European, am not empathetic to people of different colour or religion? I am. I don't wrap bombs around my body or slice throats.

If I would go to a Muslim country I'd respect their values. But from what I have seen, they don't act friendly when they see someone not looking like a Muslim. I followed a channel of a white European travelling around Muslim countries in Asia on youtube and he was being opressed until he grew a beard I found that very amusing.

Unique wrote:

rwo power wrote:So what do you make of two brothers from Kosovo who were just arrested as prime suspects in planning a terror attack on the CentrO in Oberhausen?

what was their motive does anyone know.

It's not known so far. Police are still investigating.

Myesyats wrote:Can anyone explain to me, if refugees are so willing to cooperate and nice, then why Angela Merkel now wants to ship them back to their country after letting so many of them in?

Because refugees from war zones are welcome. People who leave their countries due to economic reasons and who are not in danger due to war or prosecution do not fit that bill. E.g. only about 0.2% of the Tunisians who come to Germany actually get refugee status and are allowed to stay. Problem is that Tunisia doesn't want to take back the people who don't get refugee status.

Katy Perry wrote:Still doesn't justify why are you labeling Meysyats like that as he clearly has a point and a reasoning and isn't just blindly racist. I would be actually offended if I was in Meysyats' place

I am not offended. I am disgusted by people who get offended easily if you say certain words around them. Been hearing enough about enough cases of certain people coming into a foreign country and demanding changes because something offends them. Fam! You came to this country and not the country to you. You need to try to fit in, not change the rules so they suit you.....

Western Europe would rather take in terrorists than deny them passage and be viewed as intolerant.

That's the stupidest shit I have ever seen.

It's simple. When young men stricken by the pangs of war and brainwashed by years of radical Islamic conditioning pour into liberal democratic societies where social freedoms and civil liberties are taken for granted, they will inevitably lash out and work to destroy their newly adopted home.

Meanwhile Putin is the only one doing stuff in Syria and together with Assad have taken back Aleppo from the hands of rebels.

http://syria.liveuamap.com/

Myesyats wrote:
You need to understand they don't talk about Asian children on European TV channels. They talk about European children.

I feel bad for not knowing stuff but on the news they show only what they want and in what other way am I supposed to learn about crime in Asia? They don't talk about it. They talk about volcano eruptions!


Mass immigration is not being handled well in Europe and that's the problem. We are dealing with a lot of dangerous people between innocent mothers and children.

You say: Globalization should, in theory, make us more empathetic to people no matter their background. That is the one hope we would have for it at least.

You think I, as a white European, am not empathetic to people of different colour or religion? I am. I don't wrap bombs around my body or slice throats.

If I would go to a Muslim country I'd respect their values. But from what I have seen, they don't act friendly when they see someone not looking like a Muslim. I followed a channel of a white European travelling around Muslim countries in Asia on youtube and he was being opressed until he grew a beard I found that very amusing.

The news is a business. It shows what they know the audience will buy. The image of the scary foreign hoardes sells better than the image of cousin steve going to Thailand to screw little girls with his weird buddies, but I concede that point because obviously people won't shed a bad light on their own.

You'll get no argument over here Europe has handled this latest immigration crisis quite poorly. The thing is, COULD these people ever be integrated? You see the issues successful groups like East Asians have, and even the continued problems long existing groups(such as the Turks in Germany), and you must wonder what was ever going to be achieved?

Also to Katy Perry I have never said Myesyats was a racist. I said he would prefer an all-white Europe(which in of itself is not a strictly racist belief), and I think on the inside he would concede this point to me

I am pretty straightforward here and I said this earlier already: I do not want an all white Europe. Coulour does not matter to me.

The worst thing these days is religion which is the cause of most conflicts.

I couldn't care less if somebody is green, red or yellow. When the person is keen to learn and assimiliate, then everything is fine.

Muslims are the exact opposite. They don't want to learn and blend in. They want to impose their values and dominate every aspect of life et caetera, et caetera.


I am not fine with that.

People don't change. There are wars these days as there were 500 years ago. No difference.

Earlier there were crusades. Now there are refugee floods as response. It's more up-to-date now though. Instead of outright military conflicts there are sneaky sneaky asylum seekers who will slowly outnumber Christians in Europe and then take over the entire world or at least they'll try. As Mahomet or some other fellow foretold.

So are some people saying we should just except the rapes the murders and the terrorism Because it might offend people if we don't. So on the list of bad shit like rape murder and terrorism racism tops it all. So someone said to the parents of the kid that got raped. Chin up. That's life and shit happens now go home and stop being racist. the most important thing in the world today is racism. That offends more people than the bombs murders and rapes.

Myesyats wrote:I am pretty straightforward here and I said this earlier already: I do not want an all white Europe. Coulour does not matter to me.

The worst thing these days is religion which is the cause of most conflicts.

I couldn't care less if somebody is green, red or yellow. When the person is keen to learn and assimiliate, then everything is fine.

Muslims are the exact opposite. They don't want to learn and blend in. They want to impose their values and dominate every aspect of life et caetera, et caetera.


I am not fine with that.

People don't change. There are wars these days as there were 500 years ago. No difference.

Earlier there were crusades. Now there are refugee floods as response. It's more up-to-date now though. Instead of outright military conflicts there are sneaky sneaky asylum seekers who will slowly outnumber Christians in Europe and then take over the entire world or at least they'll try. As Mahomet or some other fellow foretold.

Fair enough.