French Elections 2017

DuringTheWar wrote:


You don't seem to get it. Precisely because the youth is diverse it means that the ethnic French youth must be significantly in favour of Le Pen.
As I am not interested in forming a multicultural right-wing coalition that is all that is important to me. I don't expect minorities to support the right, if they cared about roots and traditions they would have stayed in their own countries and I sure as hell don't support them intruding their culture into other people's territory. The important thing for the right is that ethnic Europeans are starting to view their survival as important.

And as a matter of fact about 80% of 79 + year olds voted for macron so he can kiss their support goodbye lol

France, as you know it, only exists because they intruded into OTHER people's cultures. Where do you think the riches came from? The lush Orleans forest?

France went across the world stealing, and pillaging,and murdering people. They forced multiculturalism on everybody, and they benefitted the most from it. This is the world YOU gave them, not the other way around. You might not want to hear this, but France belongs to people like Henry just as much as it does someone who looks like you, and guess why? Because France forced their multiculturalism on everybody else.

Betty La Fea wrote:

DuringTheWar wrote:


You don't seem to get it. Precisely because the youth is diverse it means that the ethnic French youth must be significantly in favour of Le Pen.
As I am not interested in forming a multicultural right-wing coalition that is all that is important to me. I don't expect minorities to support the right, if they cared about roots and traditions they would have stayed in their own countries and I sure as hell don't support them intruding their culture into other people's territory. The important thing for the right is that ethnic Europeans are starting to view their survival as important.

And as a matter of fact about 80% of 79 + year olds voted for macron so he can kiss their support goodbye lol

France, as you know it, only exists because they intruded into OTHER people's cultures. Where do you think the riches came from? The lush Orleans forest?

France went across the world stealing, and pillaging,and murdering people. They forced multiculturalism on everybody, and they benefitted the most from it. This is the world YOU gave them, not the other way around. You might not want to hear this, but France belongs to people like Henry just as much as it does someone who looks like you, and guess why? Because France forced their multiculturalism on everybody else.

What a reply...

The way I see it the far right has managed very strong results in recent elections like this one or the ones in Austria and the Netherlands. The fact that we're supposed to be happy about them not taking over control all together shows how bad the situation already is.

DuringTheWar wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

DuringTheWar wrote:


The data is out, macron was super super popular with people aged over 65. Many of them will be dead next time.
44% of 18-24 voted for le pen. That is the most diverse age group and we can assume a negligible number of minority 18-24 year olds voted for le pen. Which means a sizeable majority of the native ethnic French youth are rejecting globalism.

Good sign.

Life expectancy in France is early 80's. In what world will a majority of the people over 65 be dead next election? Not unless your friend myesyats gets his wish and there is widespread murder.

Le pen didnt even get half of the youth, and even more so the younger you go the diversity increases. I see no future for the FN or her party in a pre numbers game. Globalism has won, same way it did when France forced herself on the rest of the world

You don't seem to get it. Precisely because the youth is diverse it means that the ethnic French youth must be significantly in favour of Le Pen.
As I am not interested in forming a multicultural right-wing coalition that is all that is important to me. I don't expect minorities to support the right, if they cared about roots and traditions they would have stayed in their own countries and I sure as hell don't support them intruding their culture into other people's territory. The important thing for the right is that ethnic Europeans are starting to view their survival as important.

And as a matter of fact about 80% of 79 + year olds voted for macron so he can kiss their support goodbye lol

Thinking about it, France is already an Islamic caliphate so I'm actually not suprised Le Pen lost. It's too late for France.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:


Unless you are Vardy....then you get a country sucking you off after you racially abuse people in Casinos.

I digress though. Great day for frenchmen.

not a great day for Europe though. still a tiny island like mine might still have some hope yet.

Europe's survived worse.

true. but in them days we fought the enemy.

Betty La Fea wrote:If Everybody says the sky is blue, and I say its not then who really is delusional?

Unbelievably flawed logic

Also, democracy is awful; one of the most rigged, corrupt and inefficient systems.

The most renowned figures from Athens where democracy was initiated such as Plato, Aristotle & Socrates already realized but you still don't...

Im sick and tired of these people. They actually have the *bleep* audacity to cite culture and save Europe etc, It was all cool when the French, English, Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish, Germans killed 100,000 billions of innocents to form their empires or the *bleep* homes you live in right now and give you your white *bleep* privilege?

You absolute pieces of shit, Get your own planet and live on it. No one here has the balls in this political forum to tell people stuff as it is, I can't even believe people here try to form logical debates with these dumbshits, I'm done with this section.

Betty La Fea wrote:

DuringTheWar wrote:


You don't seem to get it. Precisely because the youth is diverse it means that the ethnic French youth must be significantly in favour of Le Pen.
As I am not interested in forming a multicultural right-wing coalition that is all that is important to me. I don't expect minorities to support the right, if they cared about roots and traditions they would have stayed in their own countries and I sure as hell don't support them intruding their culture into other people's territory. The important thing for the right is that ethnic Europeans are starting to view their survival as important.

And as a matter of fact about 80% of 79 + year olds voted for macron so he can kiss their support goodbye lol

France, as you know it, only exists because they intruded into OTHER people's cultures. Where do you think the riches came from? The lush Orleans forest?

France went across the world stealing, and pillaging,and murdering people. They forced multiculturalism on everybody, and they benefitted the most from it. This is the world YOU gave them, not the other way around. You might not want to hear this, but France belongs to people like Henry just as much as it does someone who looks like you, and guess why? Because France forced their multiculturalism on everybody else.

Yeah, as a British person I'm real pissed about the Norman invasion and the intrusion of French into the English language. But you know, somehow I don't feel as if Normandy belongs to me. Remarkable I know.

I'm sure your philosophy of an endless cycle of retribution will work brilliantly! World peace guaranteed /sarcasm

At the end of the day if we all start answering for what our great x20 grandparents may or may not have done we'd all be as well slitting our own throats.

It's very fair for people to want to preserve their culture, even if great great etc granddad was a scumbag. One of my biggest issues with society is this guilt trip bullshit that goes on where on one hand the same people who want to be judged as individuals and not generalised, are quite happy to generalise entire continents because of the actions of a long dead generation.


Generalisation is bad m'kay

So is guilt tripping people for something they were no more part of than the ones throwing around the guilt.


If your own Dad gets done for triple murder, and you were in no way part of it, you're 100% innocent. He's not you.

So if mah' great grandaddy's great grandmaw's dogs sisters cousins grandmother was a bad person that doesn't mean I need to stfu and sit in silence because even if somebody shoots me in the head tomorrow, hey my ancestors were a bit shit. I had it coming.

No.

Haha, Tom, Im sorry man, The way you look at it is as bad as a uneducated child looks at it. So i'd recommend you stop with those shitty absolute general inexperienced analogies and take trip out of England to see what ex colonial countries face day to day before even thinking about comparing situations.

I'm not blaming you or anyone in today's world, but the way some of you discount history considering every moment of our lives is defined by it is absurd.

Anyways, Im out. Keep fighting about things out of everyone's control.

So basically, and my ancestors aren't even English but basically I and millions of others are to blame for our ancestors actions (And it's generalisation again, apparently all of our ancestors were knee deep in human blood absolute killing machines when these issues come up on the internet) but in todays terms if even your Brother or best friend goes down for a hideous crime, it would be totally wrong to lump you in with him or punish you for his actions

Yet you're far closer to your best friend than Europeans are to their ancestor from x hundreds of years ago.

If people keep pushing others to sit down, shut up and take everything bad that happens to them because unrelated ancestors were bad then it's no wonder far right nationalist movements are either starting to outright win in some places or taking hold in others.

There's never a sensible middle ground with these things

One one hand it's ALL IMMIGRANTS GON WIPE US OUT HURR DURR

On the other hand you have people running around with the ancestors argument, throwing it in victims faces because YOUR FAMILY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN BAD IN 1,000 A.D

And i'm not sure what situations i'm comparing here. That's you projecting it.

I'm simply saying X culture wanting to preserve their culture in the face of globalisation aren't in the wrong because of the actions of their ancestors. That logic will do nothing but fuel the far right, and I mean true far right not mainstream media's interpretation of far right.

Nishankly wrote:

I'm not blaming you or anyone in today's world, but the way some of you discount history considering every moment of our lives is defined by it is absurd.

And therein lies the problem, there's discounting History and there's taking responsibility for a History you were not even close to being around to see. Never a middle ground.


I don't personally feel the need to wipe Germany off the map because those wars actually messed up relatives I had the chance of seeing in my childhood.

And I know you're not aiming it at me exclusively, and vice versa. But I've seen this debate so many times and it always plays out the same way.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:So basically, and my ancestors aren't even English but basically I and millions of others are to blame for our ancestors actions (And it's generalisation again, apparently all of our ancestors were knee deep in human blood absolute killing machines when these issues come up on the internet) but in todays terms if even your Brother or best friend goes down for a hideous crime, it would be totally wrong to lump you in with him or punish you for his actions

Yet you're far closer to your best friend than Europeans are to their ancestor from x hundreds of years ago.

If people keep pushing others to sit down, shut up and take everything bad that happens to them because unrelated ancestors were bad then it's no wonder far right nationalist movements are either starting to outright win in some places or taking hold in others.

There's never a sensible middle ground with these things

One one hand it's ALL IMMIGRANTS GON WIPE US OUT HURR DURR

On the other hand you have people running around with the ancestors argument, throwing it in victims faces because YOUR FAMILY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN BAD IN 1,000 A.D

And i'm not sure what situations i'm comparing here. That's you projecting it.

I'm simply saying X culture wanting to preserve their culture in the face of globalisation aren't in the wrong because of the actions of their ancestors. That logic will do nothing but fuel the far right, and I mean true far right not mainstream media's interpretation of far right.

Whether or not your ancestors were english has no bearing on the fact that you TODAY take advantage of the globalism given to you by them, and the fact that now after pillaging and forcing your culture on others now want to wash your hands of the people and say "Well ours is totally worth protecting. Yours wasnt". It comes across as arrogant, and hypocritical in the end.

A person whose a relic of the colonial past, living in your nation now, has just a right to be there as anybody else. They also have just as right to practice their culture in their land.

Tbh I don't give a shit what my ancestors did. All I care about is the here and now. I don't care about people that live half way around the world my priority is my family. My mother in law has Addisons and if it's not treated probably can be life threatening. She rang up to see a doctor because she is having problems with her medication and was told it's a 2 week wait I kid you not. The doctors are always choca blocked with imagrants. Mostly Africans with about 9 kids each.

Unique wrote:Tbh I don't give a shit what my ancestors did. All I care about is the here and now. I don't care about people that live half way around the world my priority is my family. My mother in law has Addisons and if it's not treated probably can be life threatening. She rang up to see a doctor because she is having problems with her medication and was told it's a 2 week wait I kid you not. The doctors are always choca blocked with imagrants. Mostly Africans with about 9 kids each.

You don't care about people who live across the world, yet your entire station in life is built upon their exploitation. You do know that right?

The state entitlements, the NHS you begrudge the Africans for using as your MIL no doubt does, eat all is built upon the riches and technological advancements spurred by Britain's multiculturalism around the world. I'm sure there were plenty of Africans who "Just cared about their country and family" when you lot ransacked their country. Their children,invited I might add, come to your shores to partake in the world they helped create and its an issue now?

This borders on absurd. I'd appreciate if you were honest and just said you don't like seeing "The wogs" and others around than some myth about African kids being the ones overrunning the NHS system. Especially when Black Brits all together make up less than 5% of the entire country, and the vast majority were born there.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:Tbh I don't give a shit what my ancestors did. All I care about is the here and now. I don't care about people that live half way around the world my priority is my family. My mother in law has Addisons and if it's not treated probably can be life threatening. She rang up to see a doctor because she is having problems with her medication and was told it's a 2 week wait I kid you not. The doctors are always choca blocked with imagrants. Mostly Africans with about 9 kids each.

You don't care about people who live across the world, yet your entire station in life is built upon their exploitation. You do know that right?

The state entitlements, the NHS you begrudge the Africans for using as your MIL no doubt does, eat all is built upon the riches and technological advancements spurred by Britain's multiculturalism around the world. I'm sure there were plenty of Africans who "Just cared about their country and family" when you lot ransacked their country. Their children,invited I might add, come to your shores to partake in the world they helped create and its an issue now?

This borders on absurd. I'd appreciate if you were honest and just said you don't like seeing "The wogs" and others around than some myth about African kids being the ones overrunning the NHS system.  Especially when Black Brits all together make up less than 5% of the entire country, and the vast majority were born there.

yeah us brits exploted people years ago and you japanese murded torchered and raped the Chinese. But I don't think it was me that created the empire and I don't think it was you that did the killing and raping. But like I said the only people I care about is my family. I would help anyone out if I could but not at the expense of my family.

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:Tbh I don't give a shit what my ancestors did. All I care about is the here and now. I don't care about people that live half way around the world my priority is my family. My mother in law has Addisons and if it's not treated probably can be life threatening. She rang up to see a doctor because she is having problems with her medication and was told it's a 2 week wait I kid you not. The doctors are always choca blocked with imagrants. Mostly Africans with about 9 kids each.

You don't care about people who live across the world, yet your entire station in life is built upon their exploitation. You do know that right?

The state entitlements, the NHS you begrudge the Africans for using as your MIL no doubt does, eat all is built upon the riches and technological advancements spurred by Britain's multiculturalism around the world. I'm sure there were plenty of Africans who "Just cared about their country and family" when you lot ransacked their country. Their children,invited I might add, come to your shores to partake in the world they helped create and its an issue now?

This borders on absurd. I'd appreciate if you were honest and just said you don't like seeing "The wogs" and others around than some myth about African kids being the ones overrunning the NHS system.  Especially when Black Brits all together make up less than 5% of the entire country, and the vast majority were born there.

yeah us brits exploted people years ago and you japs murded torchered and raped the Chinese. But I don't think it was me that created the empire and I don't think it was you that did the killing and raping. But like I said the only people I care about is my family. I would help anyone out if I could but not at the expense of my family.

The fundamental difference is I don't get pissed when I see a Chinese guy walking around Tokyo, or having children who will contribute to Japanese society. In fact, in the west I make no distinction between Chinese people and myself at all because no one else does. You view the African with 9 children as "others" despite sharing a country with them, and probably being commonwealth brothers for well over a century.

Saying the word "jap" got Vardy in hot water but of course Unique gets away Scot free.

Nishankly wrote:Im sick and tired of these people. They actually have the *bleep* audacity to cite culture and save Europe etc, It was all cool when the French, English, Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish, Germans killed 100,000 billions of innocents to form their empires or the *bleep* homes you live in right now and give you your white *bleep* privilege?

You absolute pieces of shit, Get your own planet and live on it. No one here has the balls in this political forum to tell people stuff as it is, I can't even believe people here try to form logical debates with these dumbshits, I'm done with this section.

So you are blaming our generation that empires in the past have conquered land? Really?

What's your next argument? "Oh, you're white, you did slavery"?

Also, I'd love to remind you that Arabs plundered 2/3 of Europe before all the crusades and colonization occured... suprised? And so tried the Ottoman empire later on, the difference is they were not good enough. But if they were, Europe would be majority Muslim today.

Anyway, I don't know here you were going with your post other than insult a couple of people with your filthy language.

M99 wrote:Saying the word "jap" got Vardy in hot water but of course Unique gets away Scot free.

i said brits as short for British as well but that didn't bother you did it.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:


You don't care about people who live across the world, yet your entire station in life is built upon their exploitation. You do know that right?

The state entitlements, the NHS you begrudge the Africans for using as your MIL no doubt does, eat all is built upon the riches and technological advancements spurred by Britain's multiculturalism around the world. I'm sure there were plenty of Africans who "Just cared about their country and family" when you lot ransacked their country. Their children,invited I might add, come to your shores to partake in the world they helped create and its an issue now?

This borders on absurd. I'd appreciate if you were honest and just said you don't like seeing "The wogs" and others around than some myth about African kids being the ones overrunning the NHS system.  Especially when Black Brits all together make up less than 5% of the entire country, and the vast majority were born there.

yeah us brits exploted people years ago and you japs murded torchered and raped the Chinese. But I don't think it was me that created the empire and I don't think it was you that did the killing and raping. But like I said the only people I care about is my family. I would help anyone out if I could but not at the expense of my family.

The fundamental difference is I don't get pissed when I see a Chinese guy walking around Tokyo, or having children who will contribute to Japanese society. In fact, in the west I make no distinction between Chinese people and myself at all because no one else does. You view the African with 9 children as "others" despite sharing a country with them, and probably being commonwealth brothers for well over a century.

like I said before I don't care about from around the world. I don't care how many kids people in Africa have but when our doctors surgerys are full up and we have to wait 2 weeks to see a doctor then I do care. If you want to feel guilty for things your country did then fair play to you but I don't feel guilty one bit about how Britain got its empire years and years ago because I was not even born then.

Unique wrote:

M99 wrote:Saying the word "jap" got Vardy in hot water but of course Unique gets away Scot free.

i said brits as short for British as well but that didn't bother you did it.

Are you kidding me? Seriously? You do realize it's an ethnic slur right?

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:
yeah us brits exploted people years ago and you japs murded torchered and raped the Chinese. But I don't think it was me that created the empire and I don't think it was you that did the killing and raping. But like I said the only people I care about is my family. I would help anyone out if I could but not at the expense of my family.

The fundamental difference is I don't get pissed when I see a Chinese guy walking around Tokyo, or having children who will contribute to Japanese society. In fact, in the west I make no distinction between Chinese people and myself at all because no one else does. You view the African with 9 children as "others" despite sharing a country with them, and probably being commonwealth brothers for well over a century.

like I said before I don't care about from around the world. I don't care how many kids people in Africa have but when our doctors surgerys are full up and we have to wait 2 weeks to see a doctor then I do care. If you want to feel guilty for things your country did then fair play to you but I don't feel guilty one bit about how Britain got its empire years and years ago because I was not even born then.

You care enough to think that a group, who constitute a minority of the 3.5% of Black brits in all the UK, are the ones who have clogged up the NHS. You specifically said Africans with 9 kids each are the reason the NHS is clogged. You don't really believe that do you? That people who aren't even 5 percent of your nation are the reason that the entire national health system is clogged?

If these are the talking point rightwing politicians have given you guys so that you can hide your racism then they have failed you. That claim does not even hold up to the remotest scrutiny.

Nishankly wrote:Im sick and tired of these people. They actually have the *bleep* audacity to cite culture and save Europe etc, It was all cool when the French, English, Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish, Germans killed 100,000 billions of innocents to form their empires or the *bleep* homes you live in right now and give you your white *bleep* privilege?

You absolute pieces of shit, Get your own planet and live on it. No one here has the balls in this political forum to tell people stuff as it is, I can't even believe people here try to form logical debates with these dumbshits, I'm done with this section.

I honestly couldnt imagine being Indian and having to sit through the British in particular make that argument. So many of your nation's richest, that were brutally stolen, are still on display in the British museum and people walk around like it wasn't stolen as they visit it ever year.  Its like they don't think we are people: I'll never understand how they could hate us so.

Debating is important because rational discourse remains one of the most effective ways to stem such a tide. If you allow a person to state that 3 or so percent of the population are the reason NATIONAL HEALTHCARE IS BROKEN, and they are able to repeat such a preposterous idea to populate then it will never be nipped in the bud. Intelligence remains the strongest weapon against bigotry.

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:
yeah us brits exploted people years ago and you japs murded torchered and raped the Chinese. But I don't think it was me that created the empire and I don't think it was you that did the killing and raping. But like I said the only people I care about is my family. I would help anyone out if I could but not at the expense of my family.

The fundamental difference is I don't get pissed when I see a Chinese guy walking around Tokyo, or having children who will contribute to Japanese society. In fact, in the west I make no distinction between Chinese people and myself at all because no one else does. You view the African with 9 children as "others" despite sharing a country with them, and probably being commonwealth brothers for well over a century.

like I said before I don't care about from around the world. I don't care how many kids people in Africa have but when our doctors surgerys are full up and we have to wait 2 weeks to see a doctor then I do care. If you want to feel guilty for things your country did then fair play to you but I don't feel guilty one bit about how Britain got its empire years and years ago because I was not even born then.

If they're not in the country illegally, then what exactly is it you're complaining about? What? They shouldn't get treatments?

Freeza wrote:

Unique wrote:

M99 wrote:Saying the word "jap" got Vardy in hot water but of course Unique gets away Scot free.

i said brits as short for British as well but that didn't bother you did it.

Are you kidding me? Seriously? You do realize it's an ethnic slur right?

so it's ok to say the brits or the yanks instead of British and American but you can't say the japs for short instead of Japanese. That sounds a bit unfair tbh. Or is it because the brits and the yanks are not that petty to moan about something as silly as that.

Funny I was talking about my local doctors and I see this. This is one of the doctors from the surgery I was talking about.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4486082/GP-husband-trafficked-Nigerian-woman-UK.html