French Elections 2017

Very mistaken if you think just because you have an opinion that makes you less ignorant and informed. Opinion can be formed out of anything; no facts, reality, statistics, or anything that is logical or important is needed.

btw it is a ridiculous notion that you suggest white people are more offended by the N word then blacks. It is not true. Now that shows you to be very ignorant.

“In order to be equal, in order to be liberated, some white people might have to die"

"And they don’t want to question their existence, they’re not willing to give up their existence. They’ll hold on to their white life just as much as a [unclear] will hold on to a crack pipe. They are fundamentally addicted to the purity of what they see whiteness to be.”"

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/when-is-it-ok-to-kill-whites/

Damn white people want to keep existing, we might dun have to kill sum of 'em!

This is politics today. Good grief.

DuringTheWar wrote:

M99 wrote:Myesyats wants to go back to the good old days where black people were not allowed to vote. Or better yet a time where they could have given him free labor.

How about further back when arabs chopped their african slaves' balls off so their male slaves wouldn't reproduce, and took their women as concubines. Or back when the ottomans enslaved Europeans. Or when Africans enslaved other Africans.

So fk your "muh white devils" bullshit. We ain't taking responsibility for all the injustice in history. So sorry about that.

Where did I say anything about white devils Getting all defensive about something I didn't even say.

Why the hell are you even here, I don't recall you posting anything on the football sections lately. Go to some cesspool like r/european or 4chan instead of an off topic section of a football forum.

Myesyats wrote:

M99 wrote:Myesyats wants to go back to the good old days where black people were not allowed to vote. Or better yet a time where they could have given him free labor.

Damn, I'm sure you can do better than that. Stop making the discussion turn this way.

I have absolutely nothing against black ppl, why would I have? In my country they're mostly just tourists so it's like whatever... and I don't live in a big city so I have contact only with white people, mostly Poles

BTW it looks as if black people have more issues with white ppl than the other way around....: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-04/white-south-africans-are-preparing-slaughter-and-removal-all-whites-within-five-year

Oh my god this is one of the most biased, exaggareted pieces I have ever read. Where did you dig this shit up? Written by Tyler Durden.

DuringTheWar wrote:“In order to be equal, in order to be liberated, some white people might have to die"

"And they don’t want to question their existence, they’re not willing to give up their existence. They’ll hold on to their white life just as much as a [unclear] will hold on to a crack pipe. They are fundamentally addicted to the purity of what they see whiteness to be.”"

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/when-is-it-ok-to-kill-whites/

Damn white people want to keep existing, we might dun have to kill sum of 'em!

This is politics today. Good grief.

Nope no knee jerk here.

DuringTheWar wrote:

M99 wrote:Myesyats wants to go back to the good old days where black people were not allowed to vote. Or better yet a time where they could have given him free labor.

How about further back when arabs chopped their african slaves' balls off so their male slaves wouldn't reproduce, and took their women as concubines. Or back when the ottomans enslaved Europeans. Or when Africans enslaved other Africans.

So fk your "muh white devils" bullshit. We ain't taking responsibility for all the injustice in history. So sorry about that.

So you're still ignorant about race. By definition Arabic people are white. What's your definition of white? Put Zinedine Zidane in England, you're telling me you can tell him from the average Englishman? Or put most arabs who aren't mixed with African or indian and put them in southern Europe. No difference. u mad?

Myesyats wrote:Never said using the N-word is accurate, 100% justified or whatever. I'm just saying people are overreacting these days when it comes to everything.

IMO, it is no longer a harmful expression unless it is used against someone directly... For example, the guy in the interview I posted used THE word in quoting somebody & it was not aimed at anyone personally, therefore the was no reason to get offended, almost burst into tears and end the conversation.

Well here's the thing....you're not black....so that's not your call to make. I hope that's easy enough to understand.

Blue wrote: Very mistaken if you think just because you have an opinion that makes you less ignorant and informed. Opinion can be formed out of anything; no facts, reality, statistics, or anything that is logical or important is needed.

btw it is a ridiculous notion that you suggest white people are more offended by the N word then blacks. It is not true. Now that shows you to be very ignorant.

Well, I'm doing my best to form an opinion, and considering I don't have contact with black people at all in my daily life, I think that can be appreciated?

The interview I brought up was clear as day to me. Saying "THE N-WORD" is basically just white people getting away with throwing the N-word around without taking responsibility. The word will never be gone, so it's stupid to 'ban' it. You can't possibly be offended by the word itself (like the fake blonde CNN interviewer) unless it is directed at somebody.

If black people are allowed to say the word, so should be white, yellow, red, brown and blue as well.

Myesyats wrote:

Blue wrote: Very mistaken if you think just because you have an opinion that makes you less ignorant and informed. Opinion can be formed out of anything; no facts, reality, statistics, or anything that is logical or important is needed.

btw it is a ridiculous notion that you suggest white people are more offended by the N word then blacks. It is not true. Now that shows you to be very ignorant.

Well, I'm doing my best to form an opinion, and considering I don't have contact with black people at all in my daily life, I think that can be appreciated?

The interview I brought up was clear as day to me. Saying "THE N-WORD" is basically just white people getting away with throwing the N-word around without taking responsibility. The word will never be gone, so it's stupid to 'ban' it. You can't possibly be offended by the word itself (like the fake blonde CNN interviewer) unless it is directed at somebody.

If black people are allowed to say the word, so should be white, yellow, red, brown and blue as well.

For the umpteenth time, that is NOT your call to make. I respect that you've acknowledge you've hardly met/known any black people. Which should be an indicator to you that you're clueless on the nuances of this topic. I've tried to make it easy enough for you to understand but you don't seem to get it still (or maybe you don't want to get it).

If my mom died of cancer and it was a really traumatizing period in my life which I've still not fully recovered from and I tell an outsider/non-family member not to ask me about her or refer to her in any discussions, they should respect my wishes and stfu. What do you call that outsider if he/she then says "well you still have pictures of your mom in your living room so why can't I talk about her? That's unfair to me"?

Not sure what other analogies to use but it's really not a hard concept to grasp mate. You're not black. You don't suffer the discrimination they suffer from society. It is not your call to dictate how they should be referred to and what terms/words they should within their culture.

Saying both Hillary and Trump are bad so we might as well elect Trump is like saying, this pizza tastes like shit so I might as well eat the shit.

Blue Barrett wrote:Well here's the thing....you're not black....so that's not your call to make. I hope that's easy enough to understand.

Well, yeah, but I'm white and I can do anything, so technically... it could be my call to make!

Disclaimer: it's a joke, don't cry

PS i'll drop this and go back to living in the safest (homogenous) country in Europe, where we don't deal with non existent issues

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:
like I said before I don't care about from around the world. I don't care how many kids people in Africa have but when our doctors surgerys are full up and we have to wait 2 weeks to see a doctor then I do care. If you want to feel guilty for things your country did then fair play to you but I don't feel guilty one bit about how Britain got its empire years and years ago because I was not even born then.

You care enough to think that a group, who constitute a minority of the 3.5% of Black brits in all the UK, are the ones who have clogged up the NHS. You specifically said Africans with 9 kids each are the reason the NHS is clogged. You don't really believe that do you? That people who aren't even 5 percent of your nation are the reason that the entire national health system is clogged?

If these are the talking point rightwing politicians have given you guys so that you can hide your racism then they have failed you. That claim does not even hold up to the remotest scrutiny.

Nishankly wrote:Im sick and tired of these people. They actually have the *bleep* audacity to cite culture and save Europe etc, It was all cool when the French, English, Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish, Germans killed 100,000 billions of innocents to form their empires or the *bleep* homes you live in right now and give you your white *bleep* privilege?

You absolute pieces of shit, Get your own planet and live on it. No one here has the balls in this political forum to tell people stuff as it is, I can't even believe people here try to form logical debates with these dumbshits, I'm done with this section.

I honestly couldnt imagine being Indian and having to sit through the British in particular make that argument. So many of your nation's richest, that were brutally stolen, are still on display in the British museum and people walk around like it wasn't stolen as they visit it ever year.  Its like they don't think we are people: I'll never understand how they could hate us so.

Debating is important because rational discourse remains one of the most effective ways to stem such a tide. If you allow a person to state that 3 or so percent of the population are the reason NATIONAL HEALTHCARE IS BROKEN, and they are able to repeat such a preposterous idea to populate then it will never be nipped in the bud. Intelligence remains the strongest weapon against bigotry.

I think your missing my point. I'm not saying it's only mass imagration that's broken the NHS. But mass imagration only adds to the problem and seeing as most of Britain is made up of either rich or not so rich areas it don't take a brain surgeon to work out where most of the imagrants are located. 15 years ago you could walk into my local surgery and ask to see a doctor and they would say take a seat and the doctor will see you soon. Now they tell you to come back in 2 weeks. In 2 weeks you will either be cured or dead.

If its not Mass Immigration then why did you, specifically, mention Africans with kids as reason why the healthcare system doesnt work for you? You just admitted thats not true.

A minority of the 3.5% black brits there are isnt the reason healthcare is slower now. I was not offended by the "Jap" thing for what its worth, but I am offended that a grown man can think less than 3.5% of the population is the reason healthcare is broken. It screams of scapegoating a minority group which has no power, and partnered with your "Its against the law to be racist in the UK" when Vardy got nothing but LOVE from the general public after racially abusing an Asian man on Camera is absolutely silly.

Vardy was employed by two Asian men, and even if he hated his boss, a fellow striker next to him was Japanese. Okazaki is one of the nicest celebrities you could imagine. His blog, and his appearances for well over a decade, have shown a guy who is humble, respectful of his peers, and polite to everybody. Vardy thought so little of him he would use his ethnicity as a way to shame, and belittle someone at a casino he didnt even know. Whats offensive is you think, even after viewing all of this, that being racist is illegal in the UK in any serious way. Vardy got a fine, Okazaki, and any kid in the UK unfortunate enough to look like him, got a lesson that his dignity and humanhood wasn't worth a damn, and by default theirs also wasn't worth a damn.

Myesyats wrote:

Blue wrote: Very mistaken if you think just because you have an opinion that makes you less ignorant and informed. Opinion can be formed out of anything; no facts, reality, statistics, or anything that is logical or important is needed.

btw it is a ridiculous notion that you suggest white people are more offended by the N word then blacks. It is not true. Now that shows you to be very ignorant.

Well, I'm doing my best to form an opinion, and considering I don't have contact with black people at all in my daily life, I think that can be appreciated?

The interview I brought up was clear as day to me. Saying "THE N-WORD" is basically just white people getting away with throwing the N-word around without taking responsibility. The word will never be gone, so it's stupid to 'ban' it. You can't possibly be offended by the word itself (like the fake blonde CNN interviewer) unless it is directed at somebody.

If black people are allowed to say the word, so should be white, yellow, red, brown and blue as well.

Only if you also agree with the sentiment:

"If white people are allowed to live off of welfare programs in Europe, largely funded by the riches gained by exploiting the third world, then so should black,yellow,red,brown, and blue as well"

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:


You care enough to think that a group, who constitute a minority of the 3.5% of Black brits in all the UK, are the ones who have clogged up the NHS. You specifically said Africans with 9 kids each are the reason the NHS is clogged. You don't really believe that do you? That people who aren't even 5 percent of your nation are the reason that the entire national health system is clogged?

If these are the talking point rightwing politicians have given you guys so that you can hide your racism then they have failed you. That claim does not even hold up to the remotest scrutiny.




I honestly couldnt imagine being Indian and having to sit through the British in particular make that argument. So many of your nation's richest, that were brutally stolen, are still on display in the British museum and people walk around like it wasn't stolen as they visit it ever year.  Its like they don't think we are people: I'll never understand how they could hate us so.

Debating is important because rational discourse remains one of the most effective ways to stem such a tide. If you allow a person to state that 3 or so percent of the population are the reason NATIONAL HEALTHCARE IS BROKEN, and they are able to repeat such a preposterous idea to populate then it will never be nipped in the bud. Intelligence remains the strongest weapon against bigotry.

I think your missing my point. I'm not saying it's only mass imagration that's broken the NHS. But mass imagration only adds to the problem and seeing as most of Britain is made up of either rich or not so rich areas it don't take a brain surgeon to work out where most of the imagrants are located. 15 years ago you could walk into my local surgery and ask to see a doctor and they would say take a seat and the doctor will see you soon. Now they tell you to come back in 2 weeks. In 2 weeks you will either be cured or dead.

If its not Mass Immigration then why did you, specifically, mention Africans with kids as reason why the healthcare system doesnt work for you? You just admitted thats not true.

A minority of the 3.5% black brits there are isnt the reason healthcare is slower now. I was not offended by the "Jap" thing for what its worth, but I am offended that a grown man can think less than 3.5% of the population is the reason healthcare is broken. It screams of scapegoating a minority group which has no power, and partnered with your "Its against the law to be racist in the UK" when Vardy got nothing but LOVE from the general public after racially abusing an Asian man on Camera is absolutely silly.

Vardy was employed by two Asian men, and even if he hated his boss, a fellow striker next to him was Japanese. Okazaki is one of the nicest celebrities you could imagine. His blog, and his appearances for well over a decade, have shown a guy who is humble, respectful of his peers, and polite to everybody. Vardy thought so little of him he would use his ethnicity as a way to shame, and belittle someone at a casino he didnt even know. Whats offensive is you think, even after viewing all of this, that being racist is illegal in the UK in any serious way. Vardy got a fine, Okazaki, and any kid in the UK unfortunate enough to look like him, got a lesson that his dignity and humanhood wasn't worth a damn, and by default theirs also wasn't worth a damn.

let us end this debate with a simple question of maths. in Britain we have a over worked health care we have housing shortage and the schools are over crowded. now would over 100,000 extra imagrants per year help that situation or make it worst. and the 100,000 is not counting the illegal imagrants by the way.

Myesyats wrote:

Blue Barrett wrote:Well here's the thing....you're not black....so that's not your call to make. I hope that's easy enough to understand.

Well, yeah, but I'm white and I can do anything, so technically... it could be my call to make!

Disclaimer: it's a joke, don't cry

PS i'll drop this and go back to living in the safest (homogenous) country in Europe, where we don't deal with non existent issues

What is the non existent issue? Racism black people face?

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:
I think your missing my point. I'm not saying it's only mass imagration that's broken the NHS. But mass imagration only adds to the problem and seeing as most of Britain is made up of either rich or not so rich areas it don't take a brain surgeon to work out where most of the imagrants are located. 15 years ago you could walk into my local surgery and ask to see a doctor and they would say take a seat and the doctor will see you soon. Now they tell you to come back in 2 weeks. In 2 weeks you will either be cured or dead.

If its not Mass Immigration then why did you, specifically, mention Africans with kids as reason why the healthcare system doesnt work for you? You just admitted thats not true.

A minority of the 3.5% black brits there are isnt the reason healthcare is slower now. I was not offended by the "Jap" thing for what its worth, but I am offended that a grown man can think less than 3.5% of the population is the reason healthcare is broken. It screams of scapegoating a minority group which has no power, and partnered with your "Its against the law to be racist in the UK" when Vardy got nothing but LOVE from the general public after racially abusing an Asian man on Camera is absolutely silly.

Vardy was employed by two Asian men, and even if he hated his boss, a fellow striker next to him was Japanese. Okazaki is one of the nicest celebrities you could imagine. His blog, and his appearances for well over a decade, have shown a guy who is humble, respectful of his peers, and polite to everybody. Vardy thought so little of him he would use his ethnicity as a way to shame, and belittle someone at a casino he didnt even know. Whats offensive is you think, even after viewing all of this, that being racist is illegal in the UK in any serious way. Vardy got a fine, Okazaki, and any kid in the UK unfortunate enough to look like him, got a lesson that his dignity and humanhood wasn't worth a damn, and by default theirs also wasn't worth a damn.

let us end this debate with a simple question of maths. in Britain we have a over worked health care we have housing shortage and the schools are over crowded. now would over 100,000 extra imagrants per year help that situation or make it worst. and the 100,000 is not counting the illegal imagrants by the way.

your NHS was just done in by ransomware.

The math point remains, but aren't NHS worker represented by ethnic minorities at a high rate?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service

Looks like NHS relies on the immigrants.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:


If its not Mass Immigration then why did you, specifically, mention Africans with kids as reason why the healthcare system doesnt work for you? You just admitted thats not true.

A minority of the 3.5% black brits there are isnt the reason healthcare is slower now. I was not offended by the "Jap" thing for what its worth, but I am offended that a grown man can think less than 3.5% of the population is the reason healthcare is broken. It screams of scapegoating a minority group which has no power, and partnered with your "Its against the law to be racist in the UK" when Vardy got nothing but LOVE from the general public after racially abusing an Asian man on Camera is absolutely silly.

Vardy was employed by two Asian men, and even if he hated his boss, a fellow striker next to him was Japanese. Okazaki is one of the nicest celebrities you could imagine. His blog, and his appearances for well over a decade, have shown a guy who is humble, respectful of his peers, and polite to everybody. Vardy thought so little of him he would use his ethnicity as a way to shame, and belittle someone at a casino he didnt even know. Whats offensive is you think, even after viewing all of this, that being racist is illegal in the UK in any serious way. Vardy got a fine, Okazaki, and any kid in the UK unfortunate enough to look like him, got a lesson that his dignity and humanhood wasn't worth a damn, and by default theirs also wasn't worth a damn.

let us end this debate with a simple question of maths. in Britain we have a over worked health care we have housing shortage and the schools are over crowded. now would over 100,000 extra imagrants per year help that situation or make it worst. and the 100,000 is not counting the illegal imagrants by the way.

your NHS was just done in by ransomware.

The math point remains, but aren't NHS worker represented by ethnic minorities at a high rate?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service

Looks like NHS relies on the immigrants.

the math point is the most important point. but you still didn't answer the question. would the excess numbers make things better or worst.

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:
let us end this debate with a simple question of maths. in Britain we have a over worked health care we have housing shortage and the schools are over crowded. now would over 100,000 extra imagrants per year help that situation or make it worst. and the 100,000 is not counting the illegal imagrants by the way.

your NHS was just done in by ransomware.

The math point remains, but aren't NHS worker represented by ethnic minorities at a high rate?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service

Looks like NHS relies on the immigrants.

the math point is the most important point. but you still didn't answer the question. would the excess numbers make things better or worst.

Better since the immigrants seem to be overrepresented in their representation in health industry according to the article.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:


your NHS was just done in by ransomware.

The math point remains, but aren't NHS worker represented by ethnic minorities at a high rate?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service

Looks like NHS relies on the immigrants.

the math point is the most important point. but you still didn't answer the question. would the excess numbers make things better or worst.

Better since the immigrants seem to be overrepresented in their representation in health industry according to the article.

are you for real

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:
the math point is the most important point. but you still didn't answer the question. would the excess numbers make things better or worst.

Better since the immigrants seem to be overrepresented in their representation in health industry according to the article.

are you for real

The immigrants are putting in work for the NHS. Read the article.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Better since the immigrants seem to be overrepresented in their representation in health industry according to the article.

are you for real

The immigrants are putting in work for the NHS. Read the article.

yes they are. but 2 things here. the 1st is we could replace immigrants with british doctors and nurses if we needed to. but the 2nd and most important point is adding over 100k immigrants per year will make matters worst no matter who is working for the NHS would you agree.

M99 wrote:

Myesyats wrote:

Blue Barrett wrote:Well here's the thing....you're not black....so that's not your call to make. I hope that's easy enough to understand.

Well, yeah, but I'm white and I can do anything, so technically... it could be my call to make!

Disclaimer: it's a joke, don't cry

PS i'll drop this and go back to living in the safest (homogenous) country in Europe, where we don't deal with non existent issues

What is the non existent issue? Racism black people face?

He doesn't personally see it everyday so apparently, it's non existent. What an incredibly stupid mentality to run with. Oh well...

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:
are you for real

The immigrants are putting in work for the NHS. Read the article.

yes they are. but 2 things here. the 1st is we could replace immigrants with british doctors and nurses if we needed to. but the 2nd and most important point is adding over 100k immigrants per year will make matters worst no matter who is working for the NHS would you agree.

The 1st remains to be seen.

2nd would mean adding more immigrants, who work in the NHS at an overrepresented rate, to handle to crowd.

Blue Barrett wrote:He doesn't personally see it everyday so apparently, it's non existent. What an incredibly stupid mentality to run with. Oh well...

My point was that people of all kinds face racism, so why ban only the one word that refers exclusively to black people? Shouldn't all words linked to a certain race be banned then? Yeah, it's really stupid, but it's just your (pseudo)progressive thinking. By 'non-existent issue' I meant making a big deal out of a non-racist & non offensive situation at all, which was presented in the yt clip I posted. You won't see it over here, because we keep it real.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:


The immigrants are putting in work for the NHS. Read the article.

yes they are. but 2 things here. the 1st is we could replace immigrants with british doctors and nurses if we needed to. but the 2nd and most important point is adding over 100k immigrants per year will make matters worst no matter who is working for the NHS would you agree.

The 1st remains to be seen.

2nd would mean adding more immigrants, who work in the NHS at an overrepresented rate, to handle to crowd.

I agree the NHS relies heavily on foriegn doctors, but the problem is the NHS haven't got the budget to keep hiring people at the rate needed. They're already disgustingly overworked, practically living in the hospitals.


You could let in 10,000,000 people tomorrow if you wanted it wouldn't make a significant impact on the amount of staff the NHS has, the money just isn't there. Or rather the government aren't willing to do crazy things like get the tax they're owed from big corporations to help fund the NHS.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:
yes they are. but 2 things here. the 1st is we could replace immigrants with british doctors and nurses if we needed to. but the 2nd and most important point is adding over 100k immigrants per year will make matters worst no matter who is working for the NHS would you agree.

The 1st remains to be seen.

2nd would mean adding more immigrants, who work in the NHS at an overrepresented rate, to handle to crowd.

I agree the NHS relies heavily on foriegn doctors, but the problem is the NHS haven't got the budget to keep hiring people at the rate needed. They're already disgustingly overworked, practically living in the hospitals.


You could let in 10,000,000 people tomorrow if you wanted it wouldn't make a significant impact on the amount of staff the NHS has, the money just isn't there. Or rather the government aren't willing to do crazy things like get the tax they're owed from big corporations to help fund the NHS.

then this becomes more of an issue with governance, than one of integration.

If The UK has enough money to host olympic ceremonies, and approve funding for new football stadiums, then they have enough to pay their doctors a fair wage and hire more. Its all about where priorities are though.