Re: The Official WWE Thread - Part 32

[Onyx]

Bryan's definitely the bigger superstar by far. The impact he made is only matched by Punk if we're talking about this decade. One of the most over guys in history who brought the company mainstream attention and the made the product watchable for a period.

Styles has only been in the company for just a over a year though. Remains to be seen what kind of a mark he'll leave.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Bryan's definitely the bigger superstar by far. The impact he made is only matched by Punk if we're talking about this decade. One of the most over guys in history who brought the company mainstream attention and the made the product watchable for a period.

Styles has only been in the company for just a over a year though. Remains to be seen what kind of a mark he'll leave.

Well yeah, i wasn't debating that with him tbh would be stupid for me to do so. He also was talking about it from a pure in ring stand point.

No point comparing a guy on star level who was in WWE for 5 years plus to someone who has been there a year.

[Firenze]

Bryan one of the most over wrestlers ever? of the current era, no doubt

best wrestler ever?



Styles has been pretty much universally hailed as the best current wrestler since his TNA days

Bryan was an above average wrestler but you can name many that were better overall than he was IMO

AJ could carry Enzo to a 4.5 star match IMO

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdKWIf9YOmk

5 stars IMO.

[S]

Bryan bigger than Styles

Take those WWE glasses off. I would only agree that AJ has never been able to match Bryan's 1 year peak but over the last 10-12 years, AJ was/is a more established and accomplished wrestler. There's no debating that. TNA gained it's most popularity when AJ was hot.

This is like saying X player is the greatest ever because he played in the PL while ignoring the best players from all other leagues.

[Onyx]

Not really a workrate mark (don't think that's been established yet ), but Bryan got some Meltzer award for being the best wrestler in the world for like 8 years straight.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Bryan bigger than Styles

Take those WWE glasses off. I would only agree that AJ has never been able to match Bryan's 1 year peak but over the last 10-12 years, AJ was/is a more established and accomplished wrestler. There's no debating that. TNA gained it's most popularity when AJ was hot.

This is like saying X player is the greatest ever because he played in the PL while ignoring the best players from all other leagues.

He was a bigger star in WWE is what MT is saying, it's fair enough tbh considering he was there longer etc etc.

I have said before that Styles was bigger in the indies IMO, mainly because ROH never had the reach that TNA had in the mid 2000s.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Not really a workrate mark (don't think that's been established yet ), but Bryan got some Meltzer award for being the best wrestler in the world for like 8 years straight.

Best technical wrestler yeah, no one would deny it either really. But there's like 3 separate Meltzer awards

There's a technical one, overall one and then there's the Flair/Thez one ( which Bryan has never won and Styles has) which takes into consideration both character and ring work.

[Firenze]

yeah AJ has been 'hot' for as long as Cena has been on top tbh, he has been consistently great for over a decade and over EVERYWHERE he's wrestled. Superstar in Japan, etc.

Almost every  WWE casual fans knew who AJ was when TNA was around and that was due to how good he was/is. Everyone was talking about him.

Bryan's career in the WWE was cut short unfortunately so people will always remember that short period where he was on FIRE and use him as the standard for which others are measured. Similar to Tupac and Biggie.

For me, Styles being over everywhere for over a decade is far more impressive than what Bryan accomplished, which had a lot to do with the current climate of the WWE fanbase at the time just as much as it did his own abilities.

[Firenze]

and yeah I know Bryan was a known commodity in the indies and what not before moving to the WWE but he wasn't hailed as some GOAT like AJ. People spoke of him in the same sentence as Cesaro etc.

I don't give AF about Dave Meltzer either. Lad is a clown.

For me being a wrestler is about having the full package and your strengths being able to make up for your weaknesses. AJ's solid on the Mic but not amazing but he makes up for it with in ring. Jericho is pretty much my standard for someone who is a complete wrestler.

Bryan was good technically in the ring like was mentioned, one of the best but that doesn't make up for terrible mic work (inb4 his one good promo) or the fact he's a vanilla midget-goat (actual goat) hybrid. for me. Was never sold on him though and I feel myself being pulled back into 2013 territory with these posts so i'm out.

[Firenze]

what I will give Bryan props for (although this is also props to the current smark crowds) is that without him paving the way, WWE would never be pushing guys like AJ, Joe, etc that made a name for themselves outside of the E

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

It's a pointless argument anyway because Bryan is retired so there's no room for change in the argument lol.

The way people feel about Bryan positively or negatively isn't going to change which makes an immovable wall for an argument lol.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

what I will give Bryan props for (although this is also props to the current smark crowds) is that without him paving the way, WWE would never be pushing guys like AJ, Joe, etc that made a name for themselves outside of the E

While he deserves a lot of respect for this, people IMO give him far too much credit for it and CM Punk not enough who is just as vital to this IMO.

[Firenze]

fair point when I think about it

I always forget that Bryan's comeup was like a reboot of Punk's right down to his origins, just with a bigger budget

I also think that Punk's felt more natural and entertaining, that's what actually got me watching properly again

[Onyx]

Think I've done this debate before, but imo if it isn't the WWE it doesn't mean much imo. WWE is the big leagues. TNA, NJPW or any other indy is nowhere near the size of WWE.

If we're going with the football analogy then it's like a player moving to the PL/La Liga from say the Slovenian league and finally getting the recognition he deserves from fans.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

I have changed my stance on Bryan since his GM run anyway, he used to bore me senseless tbh but i actually like him now.

To the point i wish he would be able to come back, i will freely admit the documentary they did about his retirement and him having seizures made me relate to him as i have them too lol.

So that's probably a reason too Oh well.

[S]

Punk's promos were like shoots so it's quite obvious you'll feel natural about it.  His pipebomb before MITB 2011 was something none expected  and many people actually thought he was being real there so that alone got a lot of people into WWE again.
Joey Styles also delivered a similar type pipebomb before he left.

[S]

I have changed my stance on Bryan since his GM run anyway, he used to bore me senseless tbh but i actually like him now.

To the point i wish he would be able to come back, i will freely admit the documentary they did about his retirement and him having seizures made me relate to him as i have them too lol.

So that's probably a reason too Oh well.

Epileptic seizures ? Do you still take phenytoin?

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

I take other things daily, i don't think they are called that.

[S]

I take other things daily, i don't think they are called that.

I asked because I had seizures too.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

It's cool brah, i have dealt with it my whole life i don't mind talking about it.

Do you still suffer from it

[S]

It's cool brah, i have dealt with it my whole life i don't mind talking about it.

Do you still suffer from it

I had one in 2013 (first time) and due to my negligence of stopping tablets without doctor's consent, I suffered another episode in 2015 otherwise I wouldve very much avoided this episode.

Feel good now though. Like I said, I'm taking phenytoin/eptoin tablets and would have to probably continue to take them for 4-5 years.

You've had seizures since you're birth going by what you're saying ?

[M99]

We have two extremes here. We have one guy saying Bryan is much better than Styles in ring (he's not) and another guy that says he is above average ( ). No middle ground.

Truth is Bryan is one of the best in ring wrestlers of all time and so is Styles. I prefer Styles over Bryan when it comes to wrestling but Bryan could have an entertaining match with a broomstick.

[Tomwin Lannister]

Personally think they both pale in comparison to Jon Heidenreich

[Firenze]

lmao Heidenrich, speaking of him, did I post this here when I stumbled across it a few months ago? unreal scenes

Heidenrich (who looks like he's been paid with an all you can eat year pass by the event organizers) vs a clown outside of some poverty restaurant



unreal career trajectory

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

It's cool brah, i have dealt with it my whole life i don't mind talking about it.

Do you still suffer from it

I had one in 2013 (first time) and due to my negligence of stopping tablets without doctor's consent, I suffered another episode in 2015 otherwise I wouldve very much avoided this episode.

Feel good now though. Like I said, I'm taking phenytoin/eptoin tablets and would have to probably continue to take them for 4-5 years.

You've had seizures since you're birth going by what you're saying ?

Yeah it's from fathers side of the family, mine isn't particularly bad though compared to some cases. I have more issues with hazard control, which is why i'm not medically allowed to drive and i once chopped the top of my finger with a lawn mower.

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