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Post by futbol_bill on Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:02 pm

What am I missing here. Why go after a player in January that is CL tied? They haven't yet integrated their last big purchase into team, why try a second in same time frame especially when he can only play in half the games and the other competition is already secured!

I don't understand why do it now as opposed to next June!

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:35 pm

A lot of our players were signed for amazing value and we went on a historic CL run but there is always a lot of luck in those things. Who could have guessed Modric would be so good? Marcelo? Kroos for 25 mil? Lol, zidane CL luck...

Obviously we can't spend 400 mil on two players like PSG that's nuts that's why we sign the likes of Asensio, Ceballos, Vallejo hoping they can grow and become elite.

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Post by danyjr on Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:42 pm

Would have saved myself €260m spent on Dumbélé and Shootinho and signed Hazard instead.

He is exactly who Barcelona need. But I think he will be a Madrid player and come back to haunt Barça fans for a long time to come.

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Post by Thimmy on Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:22 pm

@danyjr wrote:Would have saved myself €260m spent on Dumbélé and Shootinho and signed Hazard instead.

He is exactly who Barcelona need. But I think he will be a Madrid player and come back to haunt Barça fans for a long time to come.


Hazard actually turns 27 three days from now. Somehow, I thought he was younger.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:22 pm

@danyjr wrote:Would have saved myself €260m spent on Dumbélé and Shootinho and signed Hazard instead.

He is exactly who Barcelona need. But I think he will be a Madrid player and come back to haunt Barça fans for a long time to come.


Hazard is not Madrid quality

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Post by danyjr on Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:23 pm

Still has 3 seasons at top level. He has never been known for his athleticism and work rate anyway tbh. Although his pace will inevitably decline, he is one of the most gifted wingers I've seen.

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Post by danyjr on Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:24 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Hazard is not Madrid quality

Who is then? Gareth Fail or Kariminal? Laughing

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:24 pm

@danyjr wrote: he is one of the most gifted wingers I've seen.


Don't make me laugh. Nothing player.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:25 pm

@danyjr wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:Hazard is not Madrid quality

Who is then? Gareth Fail or Kariminal? Laughing


Both have achieved and contributed more in their career than Hazard ever will.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:28 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@danyjr wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:Hazard is not Madrid quality

Who is then? Gareth Fail or Kariminal? Laughing


Both have achieved and contributed more in their career than Hazard ever will.
that's a factor of the team they played for no?

If Hazard joins a club like Madrid, Bayern or City, his chances of winning trophies will improve significantly

I think he is Madrid quality. Technically he is upper tier, and he plays at a high level as well. His production in goals and assists is complete shit though, that's the concern

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:33 pm

Hazard is hugely overrated because people are clueless and confuse talent with dribbling.
Hazard isn't that talented an attacker. He is a mediocre finisher. He is a poor playmaker. He has no strategic mind. He has no killer instinct.
The only thing he's good at is dribbling, and he's not even good at knowing when and where to dribble, and what to do at the end of the dribble. He's an inferior talent tbh as far as supposed elite attackers go.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:41 pm

you say it like beating a man or dribbling is not an important attribute. It is, you can create space, and break lines of defense just with dribbling.

But everything you said is true, can't deny that, his poor numbers are a reflection of that. It's rare to see players with such a high technical level be so disappointing (or maybe not when i think of quaresma or ben arfa lol).


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Post by futbol on Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:19 am

Imagine thinking getting Hazard would be better than Dembélé and Coutinho. LMAO

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Post by Casciavit on Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:27 am

Great signing.

Some posters here still living in 2015 Laughing

Dembele Messi Griezmann
Coutinho Arthur
Busquets
Alba Umtiti Pique Semedo
Ter Stegen

ahhh Barca is back :bow:

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Post by Kaladin on Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:55 am

Why Griezmann RW?

Why Coutinho CM?

That team looks like its gonna get run over by any team with a half decent attack

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Post by futbol on Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:11 am

I don't want Griezmann. He will be 27 next season when he would come and he already shows signs of decline. So many years under Simeone takes its toll. Suarez can give 1 or 2 more seasons and if not I'd rather go with:

Messi-Dembélé
Coutinho-Iniesta-Busquets-Roberto
Alba-Umtiti-Pique-Semedo
tS

Messi further up as the sole finisher.

Or something similar. Also I'd love Iniesta to play alongside Coutinho. Would be the first technical player on the same wavelength with him since Xavi retired. You can't really combine well with Rakitic or Paulinho. Laughing


Yeah, seems like we won't be ditching the 4-4-2 too soon:

Valverde: "Dembélé must adapt to us and we to him, there won't be any big changes to our system."

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Post by Nishankly on Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:06 am

As Klopp says, Formations are for defending.
Coutinho takes left wing place for defending but his heat map is always central and that's where he pulls all the strings, But he needs to be paired up with atleast one very good defensive midfielder if you want to play him as a CM because his work rate, pressing and commitment is amazing but he can't tackle.

Also talks about Coutinho not being creative enough etc are supposed to be left in 2014. Pay no heed to them. Its similar to how Suarez was still trying to prove his worth to GL even after scoring 33 league goals in 31 games and moving to Barca or Sterling was always a fraud until his move to City. Probs coz LFC didn't finish high enough.

He is worth all the money Barcelona can spend on him. Also Hazard is a okay, Won't solve your problems.
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Post by Red Alert on Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:32 am

@Nishankly wrote:As Klopp says, Formations are for defending.
Coutinho takes left wing place for defending but his heat map is always central and that's where he pulls all the strings, But he needs to be paired up with atleast one very good defensive midfielder if you want to play him as a CM because his work rate, pressing and commitment is amazing but he can't tackle.

Also talks about Coutinho not being creative enough etc are supposed to be left in 2014. Pay no heed to them. Its similar to how Suarez was still trying to prove his worth to GL even after scoring 33 league goals in 31 games and moving to Barca or Sterling was always a fraud until his move to City. Probs coz LFC didn't finish high enough.

He is worth all the money Barcelona can spend on him. Also Hazard is a okay, Won't solve your problems.  


This guys wrong has no idea what he's on about tbh.

I suggest buying Griezmann and Hazard instead. :whistle:

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Post by BORUSSIA!! on Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:31 pm

can someone update me on this guy? he is getting rated really highly now and people saying the transfer fee is worth it and he's a top 10 player in the world and so on? is this for real?

not saying it's hard to believe, i think he's good, but he was never mentioned among the best players until now.

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Post by Unique on Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:00 am

@BORUSSIA!! wrote:can someone update me on this guy? he is getting rated really highly now and people saying the transfer fee is worth it and he's a top 10 player in the world and so on? is this for real?

not saying it's hard to believe, i think he's good, but he was never mentioned among the best players until now.
the guy is world class and anyone that says hes not is being foolish tbh. is he worth 130mil.. no I don't think so but imo no player is worth that but big clubs have made a rod for ther own back by paying big money for players.

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Post by BORUSSIA!! on Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:57 am

@Unique wrote:
@BORUSSIA!! wrote:can someone update me on this guy? he is getting rated really highly now and people saying the transfer fee is worth it and he's a top 10 player in the world and so on? is this for real?

not saying it's hard to believe, i think he's good, but he was never mentioned among the best players until now.
the guy is world class and anyone that says hes not is being foolish tbh. is he worth 130mil.. no I don't think so but imo no player is worth that but big clubs have made a rod for ther own back by paying big money for players.


what big clubs have overpaid? psg for neymar and mbappe? neymar is the best player of his generation (mid 20s gen) and the most marketable athlete in the world. £200 mil makes more sense that 130 - 150 mil for coutinho. neymar's purchase was a release clause activation anyway, not a transfer fee.

mbappe is a potential GOAT, established top player already at 19 and much more marketable than coutinho. around 150 mil is what the agreed fee is after his loan is over, that's fair enough.

i can't believe liverpool fans are thinking 110 mil is too low. if liverpool's van djik's transfer goes through for 75 mil, that's probably comfortably the biggest over payment in history (just above the coutinho to barca transfer fee).

coutinho is in his mid 20s, quiet guy, not very marketable at all and his ceiling is probably david silva level. £70 to £80 million is fair for him. it's a bit less than what dembele and pogba cost (both have a higher ceiling than coutinho, were younger when bought and are more marketable).

i mean sterling and de bruyne were bought for £50 mil just 2 seasons ago and people were questioning if that was too much at the time.

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Post by Unique on Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:27 am

@BORUSSIA!! wrote:
@Unique wrote:
@BORUSSIA!! wrote:can someone update me on this guy? he is getting rated really highly now and people saying the transfer fee is worth it and he's a top 10 player in the world and so on? is this for real?

not saying it's hard to believe, i think he's good, but he was never mentioned among the best players until now.
the guy is world class and anyone that says hes not is being foolish tbh. is he worth 130mil.. no I don't think so but imo no player is worth that but big clubs have made a rod for ther own back by paying big money for players.


what big clubs have overpaid? psg for neymar and mbappe? neymar is the best player of his generation (mid 20s gen) and the most marketable athlete in the world. £200 mil makes more sense that 130 - 150 mil for coutinho. neymar's purchase was a release clause activation anyway, not a transfer fee.

mbappe is a potential GOAT, established top player already at 19 and much more marketable than coutinho. around 150 mil is what the agreed fee is after his loan is over, that's fair enough.

i can't believe liverpool fans are thinking 110 mil is too low. if liverpool's van djik's transfer goes through for 75 mil, that's probably comfortably the biggest over payment in history (just above the coutinho to barca transfer fee).

coutinho is in his mid 20s, quiet guy, not very marketable at all and his ceiling is probably david silva level. £70 to £80 million is fair for him. it's a bit less than what dembele and pogba cost (both have a higher ceiling than coutinho, were younger when bought and are more marketable).

i mean sterling and de bruyne were bought for £50 mil just 2 seasons ago and people were questioning if that was too much at the time.
dude if that post is all I have to debate with then I have nothing left.

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Post by BORUSSIA!! on Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:41 am

i don't care to argue with you. i don't even have a problem with what you said at all.

just wanted to get my opinion out there on how gobsmacked i am at this transfer fee. people seem to think it's an justifiable fee "considering the current market". i don't see it all and am wondering if others agree.

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Post by Nishankly on Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:02 am

The fee is high because

The dude is not in prime yet, On a exponential rising curve, No similarities with other players, 6 year contract, No release clause, Best player at the club, Premier League player clause, LFC won't be able to replace him. etc etc etc

Justified for Liverpool to ask for that much, Depends on Barcelona if they want to pay it or not.
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Post by S on Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:03 am

Why on earth is this happening in January ?

Wouldn't it be better to sign him for next season ?
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Post by Nishankly on Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:15 am

Coz he's hell bent on getting his childhood move, He thinks this is his last chance to get out of the PL
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