Re: PC Master Race

by Harmonica Sun 9 Aug 2020 - 19:14

Sounds good. I'll rather buy AMD product to support competition and because I've Freesync monitor, but if there's a justified reason to buy Nvidia, I wont hesitate.

by danyjr Sun 9 Aug 2020 - 20:48

You can make Freesync monitors work with nVidia GPUs now. There are workarounds for it basically.

by Harmonica Sun 9 Aug 2020 - 22:02

Yeah I know, but the support will still be better if they're connected. Not that I don't plan to use Freesync anyway. As overdrive doesn't work with Freesync, and if I want the best pixel response time, I can't use it. That's why I'm salivating a GPU powerful enough to run 5k1440p at 120fps.

by Harmonica Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 12:13

SIE aims to achieve robust revenue growth by accelerating the virtuous cycle that has been established for the PlayStation Platform. This entails increasing active users and play time, enhancing network services and reinforcing content IP so that consumers select PlayStation as their platform of choice. Targeted outcomes include growth in active users, stronger retention and a shorter cash conversion cycle, from which expanded cash flow can be expected. We will explore expanding our first-party titles to the PC platform, in order to promote further growth in our profitability.

by Babun Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 17:37

Harmonica wrote:
SIE aims to achieve robust revenue growth by accelerating the virtuous cycle that has been established for the PlayStation Platform. This entails increasing active users and play time, enhancing network services and reinforcing content IP so that consumers select PlayStation as their platform of choice. Targeted outcomes include growth in active users, stronger retention and a shorter cash conversion cycle, from which expanded cash flow can be expected. We will explore expanding our first-party titles to the PC platform, in order to promote further growth in our profitability.

The last of us 2 and God of War are being ported next to PC:
https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Playstation-5-Konsolen-265878/News/PC-Ports-von-Sony-Titeln-1357151/

by RealGunner Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 17:54

With how bad the Horizon port was surely the excitement level must be down

by danyjr Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 18:39

Babun wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
SIE aims to achieve robust revenue growth by accelerating the virtuous cycle that has been established for the PlayStation Platform. This entails increasing active users and play time, enhancing network services and reinforcing content IP so that consumers select PlayStation as their platform of choice. Targeted outcomes include growth in active users, stronger retention and a shorter cash conversion cycle, from which expanded cash flow can be expected. We will explore expanding our first-party titles to the PC platform, in order to promote further growth in our profitability.

The last of us 2 and God of War are being ported next to PC:
https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Playstation-5-Konsolen-265878/News/PC-Ports-von-Sony-Titeln-1357151/

I reckon they will release these games when everyone and their grandmothers have bought them on PS, so I don't expect simultaneous releases like you see on Xbox. It's a very profitable double-dipping tactic that Rockstar have been doing for generations.

by RealGunner Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 18:56

Rate this boys

COOLERMASTER MB520 Red
AMD RYZEN 5 3600 - 3.6/4.2Ghz Turbo) - 6 Core - 12 Threads - NO GRAPHICS
HEATSINK/FAN For CPU Included; To Cover Overclock If Applicable
ASUS Prime B550M-A B550 Chipset - USB3.2 - DUAL M.2 - GEN4 PCIe
16GB DDR4 3200Mhz - CORSAIR - Vengeance LPX
240GB ADATA ULTIMATE SU650 SATA3 - 6Gb/s
2TB SEAGATE SATA3 - 6Gb/s, 7200 RPM & 64MB Cache
AMD RX 5700 XT 8GB PCI-E 4.0 - HDMI-DP - VR Ready
500W PSU - KOLINK 80+

by danyjr Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 19:20

I'd get a PSU with a higher rating just in case you want to expand. 500W should be okay but I always leave a bit extra.

No comment on the GPU. Harmonica is better suited to rating Radeons.

by RealGunner Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 19:25

Yea was thinking that.

What about RAM and motherboard? Can i do better without a huge increase in price?

Bare in mind i watch more than i play on PC. It needs to run 4k stuff.

by danyjr Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 19:39

16 GB is definitely enough. Motherboard is decent. If I were to upgrade I would go for a better GPU or CPU.

by Harmonica Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 19:48

RealGunner wrote:Rate this boys

COOLERMASTER MB520 Red
AMD RYZEN 5 3600 - 3.6/4.2Ghz Turbo) - 6 Core - 12 Threads - NO GRAPHICS
HEATSINK/FAN For CPU Included; To Cover Overclock If Applicable
ASUS Prime B550M-A B550 Chipset - USB3.2 - DUAL M.2 - GEN4 PCIe
16GB DDR4 3200Mhz - CORSAIR - Vengeance LPX
240GB ADATA ULTIMATE SU650 SATA3 - 6Gb/s
2TB SEAGATE SATA3 - 6Gb/s, 7200 RPM & 64MB Cache
AMD RX 5700 XT 8GB PCI-E 4.0 - HDMI-DP - VR Ready
500W PSU - KOLINK 80+

What are the prizes? Ryzen 3600 + B550 + 5700 XT is best bang for the buck currently I think. That mainboard is micro atx, which I would change to full size atx, because your case supports atx. Also would take some named PSU instead, never heard of that one. Maybe NVME SSD instead of SATA? Also right now is not the best time to buy, as Nvidia releases next gen graphics in september, AMD later this year, and also Zen 3. Although B550 will support Zen 3 if you want to upgrade later.

by RealGunner Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 20:16

£172 for the processor
£118 for the B550
5700XT for £390

don't mind upgrading anything so i'll go for the full size atx. Agreed on the PSU

What's the difference between NVME SSD and SATA?

by Harmonica Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 20:25

RealGunner wrote:£172 for the processor
£118 for the B550
5700XT for £390

don't mind upgrading anything so i'll go for the full size atx. Agreed on the PSU

What's the difference between NVME SSD and SATA?

Mainboard is probably the thing you don't want to upgrade in future, because it's the hardest thing to swap.

SATA is capped at 600MB/s where as 4th Gen NVME is capped 8000MB/s. Huge files move a lot faster, and there's also some improvement on loading speeds. Also there's no cables in NVME so the setup is cleaner.

by Babun Sun 30 Aug 2020 - 22:25

RealGunner wrote:£172 for the processor
£118 for the B550
5700XT for £390

don't mind upgrading anything so i'll go for the full size atx. Agreed on the PSU

What's the difference between NVME SSD and SATA?

For CPU, any 8 core / 16 threads CPU does it unless you are some 144FPS freak (even a ryzen 2700 does), for 60FPs that ist. 8/16 is for future proofing because it's the consoles' setup (that's why a 6/12 core is suspect). Invest the rest into the GPU. The best GPU in that segment ist RTX 2060 Super with 8GB VRam, nothing comes close. If you go cheaper then 5700 non XT.
In theory NVMe is super fast, in reality, a PC loads everything in RAM first and keeps it there. Nothing is faster than RAM. Consoles profit more from NVMe because they lack the 16GB RAM so they stream from the drive a lot. Your games won't become faster, the loading times might be somewhat reduced and that's it. Decide yourself whether it's worth it for you.
As for the PSU, the PSU and motherboard are the most important components. Your motherboard qualifies, the PSU is meh. At least 550W Gold variant, the best brand for PSU is Seasonic,then Superflower (Gold Series) and FSP (Fortran Focus Gold Series). Many retailers like EVGA, Corsair or Bequiet put their labels on Seasonic PSUs. Research, you might get a labeled one cheaper than the original from Seasonic.
An advice: never cheap out on motherboards or PSU. They can potentially f**k up all of your setup if of low quality.

by Harmonica Wed 2 Sep 2020 - 10:45

Harmonica wrote:Also right now is not the best time to buy, as Nvidia releases next gen graphics in september, AMD later this year, and also Zen 3.

And after few days it's good time to buy as Nvidia released next gen. And because of AMD pushing them again, the price/perf leap is similar as with 10x0 series.

3070 (faster than 2080TI) 499$
3080 (twice as fast than 2080) 699$
3090 (new Titan) 1499$

In few minutes 2080TI's flooded the used market with half the price.

Definitely going with 3080 if AMD doesn't release better price/perf.

by danyjr Wed 2 Sep 2020 - 11:36

I'll wait until I see benchmarks.

by Harmonica Wed 2 Sep 2020 - 13:09

Yeah definitely, those are Nvidia's advertised performances.

by Babun Wed 2 Sep 2020 - 15:58

Harmonica wrote:
Harmonica wrote:Also right now is not the best time to buy, as Nvidia releases next gen graphics in september, AMD later this year, and also Zen 3.
And after few days it's good time to buy as Nvidia released next gen. And because of AMD pushing them again, the price/perf leap is similar as with 10x0 series.

3070 (faster than 2080TI) 499$
3080 (twice as fast than 2080) 699$
3090 (new Titan) 1499$

In few minutes 2080TI's flooded the used market with half the price.

Definitely going with 3080 if AMD doesn't release better price/perf.

RTX 3070 is placed against the upcoming consoles. They can't release a midrange card which is slower than a console SoC. However, don't go buying stuff yet.
BigNavi is sipposed to be two models at first with both having 16GB VRAM which is very important for the upcoming games. RTX 3080 is VRAM crippled, RTX 3070 Ti 16GB (already confirmed by lenovo) and RTX 3080 Ti with 20GB VRAM will be released to counter RX 6800 and RX 6800XT from AMD. Just wait until Christmas then buy cheaper with more value. At least 12GB VRAM are a must for the multiplatform games from the future with the new consoles.

by Harmonica Thu 3 Sep 2020 - 11:16

Yeah 10GB for 3080 seems a tad low. I might wait for better models, although hardware itch is almost unbearable. Smile

by Harmonica Thu 3 Sep 2020 - 16:19

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-destroys-rtx-2080-ti-doom-eternal-4k-ultra-nightmare/

What I'm waiting for from this gen is 5120x1440@120fps, and 3080 might give it in most games.

by danyjr Thu 3 Sep 2020 - 18:07

Nice. I was planning to give my 2080 Ti to my brother anyway.

This should be a nice upgrade.

To 3080 or 3090, is the next question hmm

by Harmonica Thu 3 Sep 2020 - 18:36

3090 is terribly overpriced, around 20% faster with 2,14x the price. I think Nvidia themselves said 3080 is the flagship model for gamers, 3090 (Titan) is for some other uses than gaming I think. Not many bought Titan for gaming, even though it was faster than 2080TI in it. Of course if money is no object, then 3090 will perform the best.

by RealGunner Thu 3 Sep 2020 - 18:49

Will the other cards go down in prices? Should i wait?

by Harmonica Thu 3 Sep 2020 - 19:02

RealGunner wrote:Will the other cards go down in prices? Should i wait?

If not I would change 5700XT to 3070. It would be absolutely mental to buy 5700XT at 400 currently, when 3070 is 100 more with almost twice the power. Same goes for pretty much everything on current gen without prize reductions.

by danyjr Thu 3 Sep 2020 - 20:17

Harmonica wrote:3090 is terribly overpriced, around 20% faster with 2,14x the price. I think Nvidia themselves said 3080 is the flagship model for gamers, 3090 (Titan) is for some other uses than gaming I think. Not many bought Titan for gaming, even though it was faster than 2080TI in it. Of course if money is no object, then 3090 will perform the best.

Yeah I think this time I won't go crazy and get the 3080 instead. Diminishing returns/price ratio hit you hard when you go for the top/flagship model.

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