Wenger: Ban divers for three games

Raptorgunner wrote:

I prefer this one





Seriously tho, Wenger is right but would the FA have the balls to ban the big team players like Young?

I have doubts but if this were to happen, Young would never play 2 games in a row again :lol!:

Zeal the refs cant do everything lol, they need help goal line technology is one thing that needs to come in and the big federations need to be banning people for acts that are deserving of bans.

None of this the ref dealt with so he cant be punished BS and do i need to mention the Spanish federation lol?

Give more yellow card to players who dive during the game

paperbackwriter wrote:

Take this "dive" for example (check the angle from 30 s and onwards):



How can you judge if the contact made Ronaldo loose his balance or not? It's impossible even with video "evidence".

apply basic law standards... would a reasonable/average person have fallen after that contact? probably not

The Franchise wrote:Not going to work.

Only a matter of time before someone gets banned for 3 games when they didnt dive, rather they fell but it wasnt really a foul.

that's a good thing tbh, at least it would discourage players from throwing themselves down looking for a penalty if they knew they could get punished for exaggerating... this pussified doctrine where contact = fall = foul needs to stop

however, this all goes hand in hand with video technology, as these days it's pretty much impossible to get a foul called for you if you don't fall

also on a related note, PLEASE for the love of god make people who need the play stopped because they fake injuries spend at least a minute on the sidelines... 3 if the medical team needs to come on

this wouldn't be necessary if the players were honorable.


*looks at busquets*

The Franchise wrote:

Raptorgunner wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Not going to work.

Only a matter of time before someone gets banned for 3 games when they didnt dive, rather they fell but it wasnt really a foul.

I would rather diving go unpunished in terms of bans/cards than someone get punished when they didnt actually dive.

Look at Ashely young 2 games he dives and gets 2 penalties and one red card.

Both teams are fighting for their EPL survival and Ashely breaks their :vagi: hearts.

I understand and its wrong, I dont like it myself.

But what about a less obvious dive, maybe one which its hard to tell?

The team who lost out to that dive, their coach is going to say, hold on a minutes, this guy dived and is getting away with it.

The other coach would say, it wasnt a dive.

And back and forth and nobody gets anywhere.

Sure, blatant dives I understand but there arent many of them. I mean even Young's one vs Villa, there was some contact and you can bet your ass Fergie is going to point that out if someone tries to ban Young for that dive.

thats why wenger said "obvious" dives, sometimes it looks like a dive when someone just loses their balance, so this would probably not be punished

dives that would fall under obvious are ones with no contact.

Look, we're not idiots. Looking at a replay, it's obvious to everyone with an IQ higher than that of a kitchen sponge whether a push/tug/contact would bowl someone over. You don't swandive onto the ground the way Young did from the absolute minimal contact he received

If the referees make a mistake for giving a pen that actually was a dive, at the very least ban the diver for the next 3 or 5 games afterwards.

Why should cheaters go unpunished? They are encouraged to make another dive the next game and another one the next time.

deciding whether or not a player is guilty of diving is a better problem to deal with than the retards who get away with diving week in week out.

Banning people is probably the right way to go, but there's a fine margin between what is a dive and what isn't. Personally, I think referees should review incidents after a game. So if player x dived in a match, he can be rightfully punished with a one-game ban, it shouldn't be anything more than that, in my opinion. It would be stupid if you were to follow Stan Collymore's theory and hand out red cards to what you think is diving in a game, as you might get the decision wrong, it's that difficult. More importantly, FIFA have never really discussed what they are going to implement to at least reduce diving. It's not like goal-line technology where it seriously effects the game... You're wrong, it is, it has the same amount of impact. FIFA need to provide us with a definition of what a dive is and introduce some sort of rule to limit it, at least.

Most people were convinced the ball didn't cross the line yesterday against Spuds.



Things that seem obvious can sometimes deceive you. The ref has the best angle 90% of the time. They are the ones who have to make sure that they make the right decision.

that's over the line... the foot of assou ekoto or whoever that is doesn't reach the line, and the ball's beyond it...

II Capitano wrote:Banning people is probably the right way to go, but there's a fine margin between what is a dive and what isn't. Personally, I think referees should review incidents after a game. So if player x dived in a match, he can be rightfully punished with a one-game ban, it shouldn't be anything more than that, in my opinion. It would be stupid if you were to follow Stan Collymore's theory and hand out red cards to what you think is diving in a game, as you might get the decision wrong, it's that difficult. More importantly, FIFA have never really discussed what they are going to implement to at least reduce diving. It's not like goal-line technology where it seriously effects the game... You're wrong, it is, it has the same amount of impact. FIFA need to provide us with a definition of what a dive is and introduce some sort of rule to limit it, at least.

I dont think anyone is asking for red cards handed out, more that divers should be punished retrospectively.

I also agree with you that some people dont seem to understand the difference between exeggarating contact and diving theres quite a difference.

Anyway i'd like to see divers banned retrospectively as at the end of the day its cheating and should be punished.

No point handing red cards at random as the ref could easily get it wrong but i see no issue with banning them retrospectively after it has been looked at by a panel from different angles.

Kudos to Wenger n Raptor 4sure (openning thread) ...I really hate diving..simulating n Unfair play ... that's j 4shame n definitelly everyone who make it should be banned ....RefereeS also if ... ! u know...

No, that angle is deceiving, the ball didn't cross the line...

wait, i thought Il Capitano was tmo's double account?

Zealous where did you get that picture from?

I am 99% sure from yesterday's replays the ball didn't cross the line.

deceiving my ass, that's over the line, period

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

II Capitano wrote:Banning people is probably the right way to go, but there's a fine margin between what is a dive and what isn't. Personally, I think referees should review incidents after a game. So if player x dived in a match, he can be rightfully punished with a one-game ban, it shouldn't be anything more than that, in my opinion. It would be stupid if you were to follow Stan Collymore's theory and hand out red cards to what you think is diving in a game, as you might get the decision wrong, it's that difficult. More importantly, FIFA have never really discussed what they are going to implement to at least reduce diving. It's not like goal-line technology where it seriously effects the game... You're wrong, it is, it has the same amount of impact. FIFA need to provide us with a definition of what a dive is and introduce some sort of rule to limit it, at least.

I dont think anyone is asking for red cards handed out, more that divers should be punished retrospectively.

I also agree with you that some people dont seem to understand the difference between exeggarating contact and diving theres quite a difference.

Anyway i'd like to see divers banned retrospectively as at the end of the day its cheating and should be punished.

No point handing red cards at random as the ref could easily get it wrong but i see no issue with banning them retrospectively after it has been looked at by a panel from different angles.

I've heard quite a few suggest this idea, which is fair enough, but in theory -- rather than principle -- it wouldn't work long term wise, as you can easily make the wrong decisions. We all make mistakes and the referees are not different.

Exactly. The two definitions of a dive should be a) fall down with no contact and b) falling down with contact, however, the contact received isn't enough to make a player go down. For instance, apply b) to Drogba, who is quite a physical figure in today's game. A slight touch isn't going to take him down. This has to be addressed.

I agree with the last two paragraphs. That's what we all want. To be honest, without taking the piss, if it's one of your players diving, some of us tend to overlook the situation, but if it's another player we criticise them severely and start criticising their team. For instance, Young got a lot of stick yesterday and rightly so, most Manchester United fans were livid with what he did again, he was always a diver for Aston Villa. But then you have Arsenal fans who start bashing into not only Young, which is fair enough, but Manchester United. It's laughable because every team has its fair share of divers.

che wrote:

deceiving my ass, that's over the line, period

Are you an idiot? Look at this image: http://twitpic.com/9a92oh

And replays showed that it wasn't in.

that's clearly a picture taken at a different time, look at the position of the ball in relation to ekoto's feet

and i'm the idiot...

che wrote:that's clearly a picture taken at a different time, look at the position of the ball in relation to ekoto's feet

and i'm the idiot...

Ok you are right and the tv angles shown, no pictures, are wrong. You smart cookie, you.

II Capitano wrote:

che wrote:

deceiving my ass, that's over the line, period

Are you an idiot? Look at this image: http://twitpic.com/9a92oh

And replays showed that it wasn't in.

Laff my arse off haggis

II Capitano wrote:

Ok you are right and the tv angles shown, no pictures, are wrong. You smart cookie, you.

what the *bleep* are you talking about?

you posted a picture from a clearly different frame, either before or after the ball hits ekoto's feet, how exactly does that prove me wrong?

look at the goalline in my picture, ekoto's foot is CLEARLY behind it, and his foot is obstructing the view of the ball from this position = ball is even further behind the goalline

Watch this guys....



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1146226-chelsea-vs-tottenham-video-watch-controversial-goal-from-fa-cup-clash

0:06 - ekoto's foot just above the line, ball slightly behind it

plus it's an even worse angle than the first picture

II Capitano wrote:

che wrote:

deceiving my ass, that's over the line, period

Are you an idiot? Look at this image: http://twitpic.com/9a92oh

And replays showed that it wasn't in.

LMAO trying to prove the ball didnt pass the line with a PHOTO! capitano

anyway its not that much clear but it looks like it passed the line judgine by the photo 99,9%