Messi will win Balon D'Ore if CR fails in Euros

I just want go into details who say this "You said Messi was better last season and why you dont say CR is better this season?, you barca fans are hypocrite"
Dear fanboys, we said Messi is better last season because he did these things
Messi last season:
- CL winner+La Liga winner+2 other titles
- CL top scorer
- Scored 6 goals+6 assists in el clasicos
- Scored wonder goal vs madrid in CL-semifinal
- Scored in CL final


CR last season:
- Copa Del Rey winner
- record piccici goals 41
...........?

We say Messi is better this season because he did these things:
Messi this season:
Club world cup+uefa supercup+spanish supercup
Copa del rey (to be played)
4 assists+3 goals in clasicos
record 72 goals (All time worldwide)
record 50 goals (golden boot)
record 14 goals (CL)
record 5 goals (CL)
record barca all time top scorer
record 8 hat-tricks in la liga (all time)
and etc.

CR this season
- La liga winner
- Scored a winner in last clasico

Is it even comparable to compare messi's last season to CR's this season? or is it comparable to compare messi's this season to CR's last season? Messi did more things in one season than CR did in last 3 seasons. CR was never better than messi since 2007-08. so stop using that logic "CR broke picici record last season"
messi broke 10 more records this season than CR did last season, its not even comparable

Gomez83 wrote:2010 -Lol, you failed to answer my question on whether you even saw the Inter games, in all honesty or are you just taking a dig on Messi?

2011 - It really isn't I don't see how it makes me a hypocrite had CR7 won the UEFA this season + La Liga then yeah I'd say he has a pretty damn good chance on winning it wouldn't you? But that isn't the situation this season now is it?

2012 - Those trophies don't matter because Barcelona won, so your just twisting your words in favor for your team, had Real Madrid won, haha god knows how much you guys would be bragging about it, I personally judge it as an important trophy because at that time period Barcelona were #1 and Real Madrid were #2, and if your stupid enough to believe neither didn't try their hardest to win then explain why Marcelo raged quit out of the game. World Cup Clubs doesn't matter? Explain that to all managers who look at it highly.

Oh, Ok. Yes I saw Inter for the majority of their 2009-2010 season. Do you want me to comment on the key games in which Sneijder and Milito performed in League and cups?

Like honestly, who the hell sits there actually thinking, 'at least we won the supercup'? Really? The Supercup means shit, glorified friendly that i'm suprised anyone even takes seriously.

The goals are irrelevant. The Balon D'or is about the best performing player that year but some of you Barca seem to have forgotten that. Now it's about the titles one year and the stats the next. That's what's so LOL-worthy. How quickly you guys change the criteria for who deserves the Balon D'or.

Ask any reasonable Barca on this board and i'll bet they'll say they wanted the CL because it would of cemented their legacy. Most would consider the supercups as crap as they knew that their team would be judged on the big prizes, not the supercups.

What Madrid fan would actually brag about the supercup. Ask any Madrid fan here and they'll say we've won 2 trophies since Guardiola came. We won the supercup in the 2008-2009 season but no one cares.

Yeah, i'm sure Marcelo is having sleepless nights about how the supercup got away.

Anyway, like I said, Talent, Titles, Stats. Those have been the 3 criteria some Barca fans have used to argue Messi's Balon D'ors.

Simple question: Why the need to keep switching up the criteria?

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:2010 -Lol, you failed to answer my question on whether you even saw the Inter games, in all honesty or are you just taking a dig on Messi?

2011 - It really isn't I don't see how it makes me a hypocrite had CR7 won the UEFA this season + La Liga then yeah I'd say he has a pretty damn good chance on winning it wouldn't you? But that isn't the situation this season now is it?

2012 - Those trophies don't matter because Barcelona won, so your just twisting your words in favor for your team, had Real Madrid won, haha god knows how much you guys would be bragging about it, I personally judge it as an important trophy because at that time period Barcelona were #1 and Real Madrid were #2, and if your stupid enough to believe neither didn't try their hardest to win then explain why Marcelo raged quit out of the game. World Cup Clubs doesn't matter? Explain that to all managers who look at it highly.

Oh, Ok. Yes I saw Inter for the majority of their 2009-2010 season. Do you want me to comment on the key games in which Sneijder and Milito performed in League and cups?

Like honestly, who the hell sits there actually thinking, 'at least we won the supercup'? Really? The Supercup means shit, glorified friendly that i'm suprised anyone even takes seriously.

The goals are irrelevant. The Balon D'or is about the best performing player that year but some of you Barca seem to have forgotten that. Now it's about the titles one year and the stats the next. That's what's so LOL-worthy. How quickly you guys change the criteria for who deserves the Balon D'or.

Ask any reasonable Barca on this board and i'll bet they'll say they wanted the CL because it would of cemented their legacy. Most would consider the supercups as crap as they knew that their team would be judged on the big prizes, not the supercups.

What Madrid fan would actually brag about the supercup. Ask any Madrid fan here and they'll say we've won 2 trophies since Guardiola came. We won the supercup in the 2008-2009 season but no one cares.

Yeah, i'm sure Marcelo is having sleepless nights about how the supercup got away.

Anyway, like I said, Talent, Titles, Stats. Those have been the 3 criteria some Barca fans have used to argue Messi's Balon D'ors.

Simple question: Why the need to keep switching up the criteria?

Your such a fool its hilarious, I have never changed the criteria I have only shown you why CR7 has not won it and why I disagree with you, you obviously have some butthurt feelings with some other member on this board with something that happened last year but you have no valid reasons in these debates, just childish "WELL (blank) SAID THIS LAST YEAR AND NOW I CLAIM ALL BARCELONA FANS ARE HYPOCRITES" It's funny.

The criteria really seems to be changing every year when it comes to very certain fans of an Azulgrana nature. To be fair, both players are worthy winners but the changing criteria really is too funny. Bless your hearts...

Gomez83 wrote:Your such a fool its hilarious, I have never changed the criteria I have only shown you why CR7 has not won it and why I disagree with you, you obviously have some butthurt feelings with some other member on this board with something that happened last year but you have no valid reasons in these debates, just childish "WELL (blank) SAID THIS LAST YEAR AND NOW I CLAIM ALL BARCELONA FANS ARE HYPOCRITES" It's funny.

So, you got nothing?

Like I said: 2011, Titles win Balon D'or!!!!!!
2012: GOALS WIN BALON D'OR!!!!!!!!

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:Your such a fool its hilarious, I have never changed the criteria I have only shown you why CR7 has not won it and why I disagree with you, you obviously have some butthurt feelings with some other member on this board with something that happened last year but you have no valid reasons in these debates, just childish "WELL (blank) SAID THIS LAST YEAR AND NOW I CLAIM ALL BARCELONA FANS ARE HYPOCRITES" It's funny.

So, you got nothing?

Like I said: 2011, Titles win Balon D'or!!!!!!
2012: GOALS WIN BALON D'OR!!!!!!!!

I take all three criterias you have said into account
2011 : Messi had tied with Cr7 in goals (in all competitions) and won UEFA/Liga so the clear winner has to be Messi unless your that much of a fan boy to disagree which you clearly are.
2012: Messi beat Cr7 goal count by 10 and assist by what 7-10? Cr7 only won the Liga and Messi has won 2, possibly 3 MORE trophies *whether or not YOU count them, OTHERS do*
I find it rather stupid how you take is as if I'm the one who chooses the winner I'm only here showing you why I believe CR7 will not win it, and you are so desperately trying to make it seem as if I'm a hypocrite for unknown reasons.

Gomez83 wrote:I take all three criterias you have said into account
2011 : Messi had tied with Cr7 in goals (in all competitions) and won UEFA/Liga so the clear winner has to be Messi unless your that much of a fan boy to disagree which you clearly are.
2012: Messi beat Cr7 goal count by 10 and assist by what 7-10? Cr7 only won the Liga
I find it rather stupid how you take is as if I'm the one who chooses the winner I'm only here showing you why I believe CR7 will not win it, and you are so desperately trying to make it seem as if I'm a hypocrite for unknown reasons.

Don't you read what you type?

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:I take all three criterias you have said into account
2011 : Messi had tied with Cr7 in goals (in all competitions) and won UEFA/Liga so the clear winner has to be Messi unless your that much of a fan boy to disagree which you clearly are.
2012: Messi beat Cr7 goal count by 10 and assist by what 7-10? Cr7 only won the Liga
I find it rather stupid how you take is as if I'm the one who chooses the winner I'm only here showing you why I believe CR7 will not win it, and you are so desperately trying to make it seem as if I'm a hypocrite for unknown reasons.

Don't you read what you type?

DO you even read what I type? I clearly said I take those three criteria into account : Talent, Titles, Stats if those wern't the areas you would look into for best player of season, then I fear for you. What would you like the criteria to be who has the best hair? thighs? Whatever it takes for CR7 to win in something right?
Anyways, your making a fool of yourself, I rather debate with someone with a brain.

Gomez83 wrote:

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:I take all three criterias you have said into account
2011 : Messi had tied with Cr7 in goals (in all competitions) and won UEFA/Liga so the clear winner has to be Messi unless your that much of a fan boy to disagree which you clearly are.
2012: Messi beat Cr7 goal count by 10 and assist by what 7-10? Cr7 only won the Liga
I find it rather stupid how you take is as if I'm the one who chooses the winner I'm only here showing you why I believe CR7 will not win it, and you are so desperately trying to make it seem as if I'm a hypocrite for unknown reasons.

Don't you read what you type?

DO you even read what I type? I clearly said I take those three criteria into account : Talent, Titles, Stats
Your making a fool of yourself, I rather debate with someone with a brain.

*sigh* I'll do the work for you.
In 2011, YOU take titles and goals into account.
In 2012, YOU take ONLY goal tally into account.

YOU just wrote that. That CR ONLY won La Liga but Messi's goal tally is what takes him over. But in 2011 when CR and Messi had a tied Goal tally overall, the titles is what takes Messi over.

Where's the consistency?

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:I take all three criterias you have said into account
2011 : Messi had tied with Cr7 in goals (in all competitions) and won UEFA/Liga so the clear winner has to be Messi unless your that much of a fan boy to disagree which you clearly are.
2012: Messi beat Cr7 goal count by 10 and assist by what 7-10? Cr7 only won the Liga
I find it rather stupid how you take is as if I'm the one who chooses the winner I'm only here showing you why I believe CR7 will not win it, and you are so desperately trying to make it seem as if I'm a hypocrite for unknown reasons.

Don't you read what you type?

DO you even read what I type? I clearly said I take those three criteria into account : Talent, Titles, Stats
Your making a fool of yourself, I rather debate with someone with a brain.

*sigh* I'll do the work for you.
In 2011, YOU take titles and goals into account.
In 2012, YOU take ONLY goal tally into account.

YOU just wrote that. That CR ONLY won La Liga but Messi's goal tally is what takes him over. But in 2011 when CR and Messi had a tied Goal tally overall, the titles is what takes Messi over.

Where's the consistency?

I was gonna edit in that Messi has already won 3 titles and possible 4 this season compared to CR7's 1 but would rather not hear your opinion of how you don't think those trophies count even though the people who vote for Balon D'Ore do take it into account. I've said this before your desperate to seem logical but its failing very very hard.

Gomez83 wrote:I was gonna edit in that Messi has already won 3 titles and possible 4 this season compared to CR7's 1 but would rather not hear your opinion of how you don't think those trophies count even though the people who vote for Balon D'Ore do take it into account. I've said this before your desperate to seem logical but its failing very very hard.

So, 3 supercups is bigger than a league title?
Makes sense.

Ask anyone, no one cares about the supercups. In ANY LEAGUE.

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:I was gonna edit in that Messi has already won 3 titles and possible 4 this season compared to CR7's 1 but would rather not hear your opinion of how you don't think those trophies count even though the people who vote for Balon D'Ore do take it into account. I've said this before your desperate to seem logical but its failing very very hard.

So, 3 supercups is bigger than a league title?
Makes sense.

Ask anyone, no one cares about the supercups. In ANY LEAGUE.

Like said before, that's your opinion, and one not worth debating with you.

Gomez83 wrote:

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:I was gonna edit in that Messi has already won 3 titles and possible 4 this season compared to CR7's 1 but would rather not hear your opinion of how you don't think those trophies count even though the people who vote for Balon D'Ore do take it into account. I've said this before your desperate to seem logical but its failing very very hard.

So, 3 supercups is bigger than a league title?
Makes sense.

Ask anyone, no one cares about the supercups. In ANY LEAGUE.

Like said before, that's your opinion, and one not worth debating with you.

Alright then. I'm sure when many people remeber this Barca team it will be for the supercups ahead of the CLs.

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:I was gonna edit in that Messi has already won 3 titles and possible 4 this season compared to CR7's 1 but would rather not hear your opinion of how you don't think those trophies count even though the people who vote for Balon D'Ore do take it into account. I've said this before your desperate to seem logical but its failing very very hard.

So, 3 supercups is bigger than a league title?
Makes sense.

Ask anyone, no one cares about the supercups. In ANY LEAGUE.

Like said before, that's your opinion, and one not worth debating with you.

Alright then. I'm sure when many people remeber this Barca team it will be for the supercups ahead of the CLs.

I'd remember it as the time where Madrid had to play 10 matches to finally beat us once

[quote="Gomez83"]I'd remember it as the time where Madrid had to play 10 matches to finally beat us once [/quote

Was that meant to sting?

I highly highly highly doubt people who vote in the Balon D'or take in consideration Supercup titles. Maybe the CWC but Supercups, I ain't too sure. Anyway, I'm sure Gomez and RvP would like an input in all this...

Doc wrote:I highly highly highly doubt people who vote in the Balon D'or take in consideration Supercup titles. Maybe the CWC but Supercups, I ain't too sure. Anyway, I'm sure Gomez and RvP would like an input in all this...

I wouldn't be shocked if Gomez/Robben/RvP win it either, their NT's are one of the best, just have to wait and see how it plays out.

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:I take all three criterias you have said into account
2011 : Messi had tied with Cr7 in goals (in all competitions) and won UEFA/Liga so the clear winner has to be Messi unless your that much of a fan boy to disagree which you clearly are.
2012: Messi beat Cr7 goal count by 10 and assist by what 7-10? Cr7 only won the Liga
I find it rather stupid how you take is as if I'm the one who chooses the winner I'm only here showing you why I believe CR7 will not win it, and you are so desperately trying to make it seem as if I'm a hypocrite for unknown reasons.

Don't you read what you type?

DO you even read what I type? I clearly said I take those three criteria into account : Talent, Titles, Stats
Your making a fool of yourself, I rather debate with someone with a brain.

*sigh* I'll do the work for you.
In 2011, YOU take titles and goals into account.
In 2012, YOU take ONLY goal tally into account.

YOU just wrote that. That CR ONLY won La Liga but Messi's goal tally is what takes him over. But in 2011 when CR and Messi had a tied Goal tally overall, the titles is what takes Messi over.

Where's the consistency?

In 2011, He takes titles and goals into account because CR had no enough success compare with it
In 2012, He takes only goals because its comparable and even better than CR's only 1 la liga title

Your criteria would work if CR did these things this season:
CR in 2012
- CL winner+La Liga winner+2 other titles
- CL top scorer
- Scored 6 goals+6 assists in el clasicos
- Scored wonder goal vs Barca in CL-semifinal
- Scored in CL final

And Messi did these thing this season
Messi in 2012
- Copa del rey winner
- picici record 40 goals

Then no matter if messi broke picici record i would say CR had better season.I say it in behalf of all messi fans, we all would agree that CR had better season. But you just bring 1 la liga title and use that senseless criteria thing

billionmillion wrote:

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:I take all three criterias you have said into account
2011 : Messi had tied with Cr7 in goals (in all competitions) and won UEFA/Liga so the clear winner has to be Messi unless your that much of a fan boy to disagree which you clearly are.
2012: Messi beat Cr7 goal count by 10 and assist by what 7-10? Cr7 only won the Liga
I find it rather stupid how you take is as if I'm the one who chooses the winner I'm only here showing you why I believe CR7 will not win it, and you are so desperately trying to make it seem as if I'm a hypocrite for unknown reasons.

Don't you read what you type?

DO you even read what I type? I clearly said I take those three criteria into account : Talent, Titles, Stats
Your making a fool of yourself, I rather debate with someone with a brain.

*sigh* I'll do the work for you.
In 2011, YOU take titles and goals into account.
In 2012, YOU take ONLY goal tally into account.

YOU just wrote that. That CR ONLY won La Liga but Messi's goal tally is what takes him over. But in 2011 when CR and Messi had a tied Goal tally overall, the titles is what takes Messi over.

Where's the consistency?

In 2011, He takes titles and goals into account because CR had no enough success compare with it
In 2012, He takes only goals because its comparable and even better than CR's only 1 la liga title

Your criteria would work if CR did these things this season:
CR in 2012
- CL winner+La Liga winner+2 other titles
- CL top scorer
- Scored 6 goals+6 assists in el clasicos
- Scored wonder goal vs Barca in CL-semifinal
- Scored in CL final

And Messi did these thing this season
Messi in 2012
- Copa del rey winner
- picici record 40 goals

Then no matter if messi broke picici record i would say CR had better season.I say it in behalf of all messi fans, we all would agree that CR had better season. But you just bring 1 la liga title and use that senseless criteria thing

huntsman wrote:

billionmillion wrote:

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:

izzy wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:I take all three criterias you have said into account
2011 : Messi had tied with Cr7 in goals (in all competitions) and won UEFA/Liga so the clear winner has to be Messi unless your that much of a fan boy to disagree which you clearly are.
2012: Messi beat Cr7 goal count by 10 and assist by what 7-10? Cr7 only won the Liga
I find it rather stupid how you take is as if I'm the one who chooses the winner I'm only here showing you why I believe CR7 will not win it, and you are so desperately trying to make it seem as if I'm a hypocrite for unknown reasons.

Don't you read what you type?

DO you even read what I type? I clearly said I take those three criteria into account : Talent, Titles, Stats
Your making a fool of yourself, I rather debate with someone with a brain.

*sigh* I'll do the work for you.
In 2011, YOU take titles and goals into account.
In 2012, YOU take ONLY goal tally into account.

YOU just wrote that. That CR ONLY won La Liga but Messi's goal tally is what takes him over. But in 2011 when CR and Messi had a tied Goal tally overall, the titles is what takes Messi over.

Where's the consistency?

In 2011, He takes titles and goals into account because CR had no enough success compare with it
In 2012, He takes only goals because its comparable and even better than CR's only 1 la liga title

Your criteria would work if CR did these things this season:
CR in 2012
- CL winner+La Liga winner+2 other titles
- CL top scorer
- Scored 6 goals+6 assists in el clasicos
- Scored wonder goal vs Barca in CL-semifinal
- Scored in CL final

And Messi did these thing this season
Messi in 2012
- Copa del rey winner
- picici record 40 goals

Then no matter if messi broke picici record i would say CR had better season.I say it in behalf of all messi fans, we all would agree that CR had better season. But you just bring 1 la liga title and use that senseless criteria thing

Ronaldo's la liga title>Baggio

Pedram wrote:So much piece of crap in a single post.

Could you elaborate a little?

jiopsi wrote:

Pedram wrote:So much piece of crap in a single post.

Could you elaborate a little?

Probably too much to ask.

I have a problem though....If Casillas can win la liga (even more by himself than Messi dragging Barca to 2nd) )Seriously we mightve finished 7th or 8th) in 06-07 and get 3 votes.....and then the next year he gets 133 votes just because he won the Euros even though he didn't have as great an overall season....I think there are a couple of people who should theoretically be able to pass Messi.

That is if winning means anything still, dunno if it does but if it doesn't Jardel has bee :vagi:

Also, for the love of god stop it with the stats , it's seriously starting to piss me off.It's like a Merry go round, go to school , Messi this Cristiano that, Come on Goallegacy Messi has X goals Cristiano has Y.Cristiano..Messi.......Cristiano........Messi..........stat.....do you people ever get bored.