Lionel Messi

Bénin wrote:

deadrave wrote:

Albiceleste wrote:Messi, so good he gets 'stopped' by some scrub but still gets MotM

that scrub you are refering to is better than almost every centerback in germany

dont get so mad he got stopped by him, life goes on.. messi can humilate other defenders, among EPL and la liga
but not him, deal with it

So this guy's name is sokratis ? where is he playing ?

billionmillion wrote:

in other hand 1 player stopped maradona (greatest dribbler ever)

Vapotrini wrote:People can flip it, turn it, shake it... do what ever they like. Until Messi wins a WC, this best talk ever, is just that.. talk.

Look at the talent on the current Argentine team, now look back at what was available in '86...

Comparing a run from half line in the WORLD CUP against a
COUNTRY'S BEST, to a run in the first division against at the time, a less than mediocre team... epic!

This was the WORLD CUP it happened in, not against Getafe in a random league game that counts for more or less nothing, with no one watching... where there was ABSOLUTELY NO PRESSURE. This was with the ENTIRE WORLD WATCHING!!, with your country counting on you... How can people not comprehend this???

Yeah I know, the defenders were slow back then... LMAO!!!!!!!!

Ivan Helguera (ex-Real Madrid) - "For me, Messi is the best player in history,"

Mircea Lucescu - "I don't think there ever has been or will be a phenomenon like Messi. He's even better than Pele."

Domenico Criscito - "Messi = alien of football!! An extraordinary player.. The best of all times!"

Ferrer (ex-Barcelona -Chelsea): "I played with Romario, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Laudrup and Stoichkov but Messi is the best I've seen" 

Osvaldo Ardiles: "There is a natural evolution and players today are just getting better. Messi is by far the best."

Osvaldo Ardiles: "I played with Maradona for 7 years. I thought I'd never see another player like that but I have to say Messi is better."

Bernd Schuster (1xSilver Ball, 2xBronze ball) - "Messi is the best player I have seen in my life."

Gary Neville - "Playing without striker allows Messi, greatest player of modern times and arguably all-time, to find weakest link in any defence."

Gary Lineker: -  "I know I go on about Messi being a footballing genius. I have changed my mind. He is better than that."

Ray Hudson: - "Greatest football player I've ever seen, and certainly one of the most fabulous footballers in the history of the game, in my opinion, the greatest ever."

John Terry: - “My kids love him. They both have Barcelona shirts with his name on the back and they like the fact I swapped shirts with him after one of our previous games… It’s a pleasure because when you finish and look back – and the guy’s still going to be going strong – you’ve tested yourself against the best. And, quite clearly for me, he’s the best ever. He’s a great individual, a great person as well and a credit to the sport. For me, he’s got everything. He is magical. “

Adriano Galliani (vice-president Milan): "Messi is the best player ever. And this is said by someone who has seen Maradona and Pele play."

Gary LINEKER: “Fella’s a genius! Best ever by a distance in my life time! Never really saw Pele [...] Wait til he grows up! SOUNESS, GULLIT, VENABLES and now ROONEY agree MESSI is the best they have seen. He plays a game to which we are not familiar.”

Tom Huddlestone - ”Is messi the best ever?? Best I've seen”

Arsene Wenger – Who's the best player in the world? ”Lionel Messi.” Who's the best player of all time? ”Lionel Messi.”

Roy Keane (ex-ManUtd): "I was a big fan of Maradona growing up and of the current crop Ronaldo is good, but Messi is the best I've ever seen"

Mike Gibbons. - "Messi is Maradona meets Gerd Muller."

Rudi Voller: ”Messi is now in the same league as Pele and Maradona”

WayneRooney ”Messi is a joke. For me the best ever. ”

Michael Owen ”Not old enough to see some of the greats but I can't believe anyone can have played the game of football as well as Messi. ”

Jose Luis Chilavert - "Messi is the best, he is better than Maradona," he affirmed. "At Messi's age, Maradona had not won not even 1 percent of what Messi has won."

Ossie Ardiles - “I think he’s certainly the best player of his generation. And I definitely believe not only that but he’s the best player in the history of football. To be perfectly honest, I thought I would never encounter anybody in the same league because Diego was a genius. One of the reasons I think Messi is better than Maradona and Pelé is evolution. People before say Pelé was running 5,000, 6,000 meters. Now they are running 9,000 meters. Now players eat better, train better, the pitches are better. So this is why I believe Messi is the very best ever.”

Ray Hudson (on Messi) - "The most complete footballista I've ever seen."

Gerry Armstrong (on Messi) - "I know what it's like to score against Barcelona, but end up losing 4-1. My first goal in Spanish league was against Barcelona. Unfortunately a certain Diego Maradona was in the side for Barcelona and he just took control and they beat us 4-1. 

Look at this little man, well, I think he's better than Maradona, I think he better than anybody I've ever seen."

Carlos Bianchi - Barcelona's Lionel Messi is better than Diego Maradona and Pele

"A few days ago I did a talk for a business and a Brazilian asked me in the middle of the conference who I considered the best footballer in history, Maradona or Pele. I answered that, with all due respect to those two, right now I see Messi as superior to everyone,"

"There have been excellent footballers that weren't able to play in great national teams to prove their class. Moving on from everything that has happened or will happen when he puts on the Argentina jersey, Messi confirms every week that he is capable of doing things that nobody else has managed in the history of football."

Ossie Ardiles - “I would now say that Lionel Messi will go down in history as the No.1 player of all time, the best that there ever was,"

Graeme Souness - "I think he might be the best player that has ever played the game, given that he's 23... He's best around, and I've played against Maradona many times, some people say that Maradona was better, but I disagree.

Vapotrini wrote:No, Maradona is better because he took a vastly inferior team to the promise land. And yes, for JUST 1 TOURNAMENT. But it was the most important tourny!! One which Messi would give both his nuts to win. No matter though, keep making excuses. CL is the real tourny, right?

Vapotrini wrote:No, Maradona is better because he took a vastly inferior team to the promise land. And yes, for JUST 1 TOURNAMENT. But it was the most important tourny!! One which Messi would give both his nuts to win. No matter though, keep making excuses. CL is the real tourny, right?

Vapotrini wrote:Yeah free Cat, those guys were geniuses. lol!!!!!

Newsflash: They are immortalized now because of Diego. Without him, they go home very early. That team weren't much past average. Other than 10, the rest were merely role players. The entire world knew who ran the team and who you needed to stop for you to be successful.

Believe it... The difference is though, 10 could adjust to what was needed during a game. The ultimate captain! Both Vocal & physical... He took every bit of the pressure and he actually thrived on it. Ala Mourihno these days. However, join the rest in thinking Messi is the best ever, it's your right. I will absolutely continue to laugh, for now.

Yeah, Diego was lucky, imagine if he was surrounded by scrubs like... Aguero, Tevez, Higuain, Di Maria, Lavezzi. Luckily for him he had Burrichaga & Valdano to carry him through the cup. Do you hear yourself, seriously???

harhar11 wrote:You must be one of those who belive that if you buy the best player you will get the best team, right? That's the only explanation that I can understand that would make you say that todays argentina is better than that argentina..

Vapotrini wrote:Sorry, stop reading after Argentina of 86 over Argentina of today.

Good luck to you.

Keep making all the excuses you like. I saw it my friend.

Simple question, exactly why would I proclaim that Diego is better? Why? Honestly, why? What do I have to gain? I'm not Argentinian. I just appreciate the game as we all do. There's no logical reason behind me picking sides. I've been backing Barca since forever, Ronald Koeman days to be precise. Been backing Argentina since I was 8, which trust me, is a very long time ago. So why would I prefer one over another unless I really thought it? It's terribly sad how bias you guys are. Messi is undoubtedly a fantastic goal scoring machine, but as far as creativity and wonderlust go... they've been better, much better! Much more complete. Honestly, Messi's dribbling skills may be unparallelled, but when it comes to raw skill, he's not even 50% of Maradona. That's why I keep harping about how Messi doesn't have the skills to compare, cause, he doesn't! Simple as that... Only player who came close in my life time, was Ronnie.

Vapotrini wrote:Sorry, stop reading after Argentina of 86 over Argentina of today.

Good luck to you.

Keep making all the excuses you like. I saw it my friend.

Simple question, exactly why would I proclaim that Diego is better? Why? Honestly, why? What do I have to gain? I'm not Argentinian. I just appreciate the game as we all do. There's no logical reason behind me picking sides. I've been backing Barca since forever, Ronald Koeman days to be precise. Been backing Argentina since I was 8, which trust me, is a very long time ago. So why would I prefer one over another unless I really thought it? It's terribly sad how bias you guys are. Messi is undoubtedly a fantastic goal scoring machine, but as far as creativity and wonderlust go... they've been better, much better! Much more complete. Honestly, Messi's dribbling skills may be unparallelled, but when it comes to raw skill, he's not even 50% of Maradona. That's why I keep harping about how Messi doesn't have the skills to compare, cause, he doesn't! Simple as that... Only player who came close in my life time, was Ronnie.

eelir wrote:
I did not see Maradona play, so i steered out of this converstaion, but saying Messi is not 50% of Maradona is pure bias.

Vapotrini wrote:I mean Ronnie like skills... he/they can do what ever they like with the ball. Messi is a terror running at goal, no frills, no thrills, he's ruthless. He's COMPLETELY different. Much more effective...

Diego and Ronnie were different though, they were more "raw skill" kinda guys. Shake 1 or 2, pass off... do whatever, they were more entertainers if you will. And maybe that's what I miss the most. Any 11 idiots can line up and play, but those guys made you feel like you were included. They catered to the masses and brought something different. They really entertained. I sorely miss that aspect of the game...

Vapotrini wrote:

eelir wrote:
I did not see Maradona play, so i steered out of this converstaion, but saying Messi is not 50% of Maradona is pure bias.

And you should have kept out from that line alone. Besides that though, that's based on what, other people's decisions?

It all depends on your definition of skillful. From where I'm sitting, Messi is not all that skillful, he's just extremely effective. He has the unique attribute of having the ball glued to his laces. If he didn't have that though, how effective would he be? Think about it. He'd be very good but not GREAT!

That's where those guys differ. They both had that to a degree, but no one more so than Messi. However, that's his end game....that's it. Where the other's are concerned, that's just a single aspect of their game. They brought way more to the table than that...

So let me say again, if you think Messi is even close to Diego skill wise, sorry, but you're sorely mistaken. At 50 years old while coaching and catching kicks, Diego was hitting free kicks better than the ENTIRE WC squad. If that doesn't clue you in, nothing will.

Don't worry, 20 years from now people will dismiss Messi in the same way, and then you'll understand.