Iniesta > Cristiano Ronaldo

jibers wrote:
Ronaldo isn't a winger...

Lord Hispano wrote:

jibers wrote:
Ronaldo isn't a winger...

Why not?

jibers wrote:

Lord Hispano wrote:

jibers wrote:
Ronaldo isn't a winger...

Why not?

Mourinho: Speaking firstly of his Portuguese attacker, the former Chelsea, Inter and F.C. Porto manager remarked: "We try to find a position that is the most comfortable for Cristiano Ronaldo, and there is always the debate. Is he a forward? I don't think that he is. I think he is great when one-on-one against a rival. Is he a winger? No, because he is also a goalscorer and when you are a winger, how many goals do you score in a season, half a dozen? I think that he is the mixture of two things. He is in great shape and he's more mature now. He has everything."

Lord Hispano wrote:

jibers wrote:

Lord Hispano wrote:

jibers wrote:
Ronaldo isn't a winger...

Why not?

Mourinho: Speaking firstly of his Portuguese attacker, the former Chelsea, Inter and F.C. Porto manager remarked: "We try to find a position that is the most comfortable for Cristiano Ronaldo, and there is always the debate. Is he a forward? I don't think that he is. I think he is great when one-on-one against a rival. Is he a winger? No, because he is also a goalscorer and when you are a winger, how many goals do you score in a season, half a dozen? I think that he is the mixture of two things. He is in great shape and he's more mature now. He has everything."

That's Mou's opinion, bro. Which I don't completely agree with. That's like saying Pirlo and Xabi Alonso are not DM's because they pass the ball too well for you standard DM's, or Messi's not a false 9 but a true 9 because his scoring rate is out of this world. I agree with the mix part because he has the charateristics of both.

Now tell me what's "your" opinion if you have one, that is.

Lord Hispano wrote:

billionmillion wrote:but i believe other than ronaldo can score same amount of goals in madrid.
Benzema scored 32 goals, Ronaldo scored 60 goals. Take those 12 penalties from Ronaldo and give it to Benzema.
Result Benzema have 44 goals and C.Ronaldo 48 goals.

So my friend Benzema scored 44 goals being a bench player, CR scored 48 goals playing all matches. So how CR is a unique scorer? i didnt even mention Benzema's 20 assists compared to CR's 15

How is Ronaldo unique? The answer is in the proposition you gave me.

Benz wasn't a bench player he was rotated.

Here's the answer.

Benzema's the Center Forward: 44 goals with Penalties included.
Ronaldo's the Wing Forward: 48 goals scored with no Penalties included.

Yeah probably nothing special having your Wing Forward score more goals than you're Center Forward even with Penalties included.

Seriously has there ever been a Wing Player who's ever scored so much in the history of the sport?


Off Topic:
And are you really Argentinian? Just wondering. You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

tuddor wrote:Than... How the hell Real Madrid won the championship? Messi> than any other RM players, Iniesta>Ronaldo, Xavi>any RM midfielder .. In a championship there are 38 matches so, if all Barcelona players are better than RM's, Barcelona should have 40 points ahead.

Real Madrid> Barcelona with less value players... Mourinho is a genius

• Injuries
  
• Tactical changes and experimentations (4-3-3 to 3-4-3)
  
• Barcelona's smaller squad
  
• Refereeing decisions
  
• Hard to get to top but even harder to stay on top. How many teams in the past two decades have won 4 consecutive league titles?

danyjr wrote:

tuddor wrote:Than... How the hell Real Madrid won the championship? Messi> than any other RM players, Iniesta>Ronaldo, Xavi>any RM midfielder .. In a championship there are 38 matches so, if all Barcelona players are better than RM's, Barcelona should have 40 points ahead.

Real Madrid> Barcelona with less value players... Mourinho is a genius

• Injuries
  
• Tactical changes and experimentations (4-3-3 to 3-4-3)
  
• Barcelona's smaller squad
  
• Refereeing decisions
  
• Hard to get to top but even harder to stay on top. How many teams in the past two decades have won 4 consecutive league titles?

Kizu wrote:

danyjr wrote:

tuddor wrote:Than... How the hell Real Madrid won the championship? Messi> than any other RM players, Iniesta>Ronaldo, Xavi>any RM midfielder .. In a championship there are 38 matches so, if all Barcelona players are better than RM's, Barcelona should have 40 points ahead.

Real Madrid> Barcelona with less value players... Mourinho is a genius

• Injuries
  
• Tactical changes and experimentations (4-3-3 to 3-4-3)
  
• Barcelona's smaller squad
  
• Refereeing decisions
  
• Hard to get to top but even harder to stay on top. How many teams in the past two decades have won 4 consecutive league titles?

billionmillion wrote:

Lord Hispano wrote:Speed, Strength, Power copled with Consistancy and

Khaled wrote:Control, Passing, technique, Dribbling, Vision, Creativity...
Iniesta is much better...

Speed, Strength, Power, Aerial dominace copled with Consistancy and Tenacity with a fair degree in Technique especially Crossing Long Passes and first Touch.
Ronaldo is much better than everyone in the world ATM. Doesn't need a system like Messi does.

what? Ronaldo needs system more than anybody. according to statistics 80% of his goals were directly assisted. which means team created for him to score. in messi's case it was 55%. so who needs his team-mates more?

dont fool yourself when you see CR shooting from long distances, they never go in, most of his goals are tap-ins and penalties. also in euro he got 3 direct assist which every top striker would score from them

Se7en wrote:Your reasons are invalid, we were the better team becouse we trashed almost every team we went against and owned you in your precious Camp Nou. All of your reasons dont matter really, you've never achieved 100 points in your history so you can't tell me you would have won the league if you had no injuries

Khaled wrote:

Se7en wrote:Your reasons are invalid, we were the better team becouse we trashed almost every team we went against and owned you in your precious Camp Nou. All of your reasons dont matter really, you've never achieved 100 points in your history so you can't tell me you would have won the league if you had no injuries

So you win 2-1 (score 2 goals from 2 chances) = ownning Barca ?

If winning 2-1, is called owning.. What should we call the 5-0, 1-3, 2-6, 0-2 etc.. (9 wins) wins by Guardiola's Barcelona vs Real Madrid .

Se7en wrote:

Khaled wrote:

Se7en wrote:Your reasons are invalid, we were the better team becouse we trashed almost every team we went against and owned you in your precious Camp Nou. All of your reasons dont matter really, you've never achieved 100 points in your history so you can't tell me you would have won the league if you had no injuries

So you win 2-1 (score 2 goals from 2 chances) = ownning Barca ?

If winning 2-1, is called owning.. What should we call the 5-0, 1-3, 2-6, 0-2 etc.. (9 wins) wins by Guardiola's Barcelona vs Real Madrid .

Please if you're gonna be delusional atleast make a small bit of sense. CR7 even missed a TAP IN in the final minutes ffs. We had more shots than you, you didn't even have a shot on target before Sanchez goal and I think that was your only since you were busy passing between Pique and Mascherano instead of scoring one.

And Guardiola has the referees to thank for winning so many Clasicos. Even danyjr (a barca fan) agreed that Barca has had some help in Clasicos.

Se7en wrote:Even danyjr (a barca fan) agreed that Barca has had some help in Clasicos.

Khaled wrote:

Lord Hispano wrote:

billionmillion wrote:but i believe other than ronaldo can score same amount of goals in madrid.
Benzema scored 32 goals, Ronaldo scored 60 goals. Take those 12 penalties from Ronaldo and give it to Benzema.
Result Benzema have 44 goals and C.Ronaldo 48 goals.

So my friend Benzema scored 44 goals being a bench player, CR scored 48 goals playing all matches. So how CR is a unique scorer? i didnt even mention Benzema's 20 assists compared to CR's 15

How is Ronaldo unique? The answer is in the proposition you gave me.

Benz wasn't a bench player he was rotated.

Here's the answer.

Benzema's the Center Forward: 44 goals with Penalties included.
Ronaldo's the Wing Forward: 48 goals scored with no Penalties included.

Yeah probably nothing special having your Wing Forward score more goals than you're Center Forward even with Penalties included.

Seriously has there ever been a Wing Player who's ever scored so much in the history of the sport?


Off Topic:
And are you really Argentinian? Just wondering. You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

- Cristiano 2011-12 @RealMadrid: 60 goals, 15 assist in 55 games (4870 minutes).

- Benzema 2011-12 @Real Madrid: 32 goals, 15 assist in 52 games (3430 minutes).

notes:
- Cristiano scored 14 of 60 goals from penalties, Bezema 0 from 32.
- Cristiano played 1440 more minutes than Benzema (its 16 more "90 minutes" games).

Le Samourai wrote:As i say often, Cristiano deserves credit for penalties and set pieces etc, but from open play within the natural flow and tempo of the game, I personally would take Benz and Ozil ahead of him.

And please don't compare Benz goal stats to Cristiano's ffs, Cristiano takes 3x the number of shots and the entire team feeds him (rightfully so)...Benz's job is primarily to create and he does that exquisitely.

danyjr wrote:

tuddor wrote:Than... How the hell Real Madrid won the championship? Messi> than any other RM players, Iniesta>Ronaldo, Xavi>any RM midfielder .. In a championship there are 38 matches so, if all Barcelona players are better than RM's, Barcelona should have 40 points ahead.

Real Madrid> Barcelona with less value players... Mourinho is a genius

• Injuries
  
• Tactical changes and experimentations (4-3-3 to 3-4-3)
  
• Barcelona's smaller squad
  
• Refereeing decisions
  
• Hard to get to top but even harder to stay on top. How many teams in the past two decades have won 4 consecutive league titles?