EC: Madrid pricing CR at 150m, PSG ready to pay

Having CR7 on the pitch is the same as playing 2 strikers on a whatever formation. Because of his ego RM dosent click collectivly but its more to do with than having him around. Most of the blame goes to players who fail to deliver accordingly to keep the offense happy. We tend to struggle tho atm.

Özil and Di maria being an prime example.

Mhmm...
CR7 to PSG -> Less Messi v CR7 threads -> MAKE IT HAPPEN!

VivaStPauli wrote:Mhmm...
CR7 to PSG -> Less Messi v CR7 threads -> MAKE IT HAPPEN!

Ronaldo's replacement will just be the next player destined to be better than Messi...

Don't see why all the hate on Ronaldo nowadays... He was and still is Madrid's best player... Soon enough people here will all be claiming Messi deserves the Ballon when they originally claimed Ronaldo should have... ffss...

The perceived hatred for Ronaldo by Real Madrid fans is on Goallegacy. He's a Real Madrid legend even after four seasons, his legendary status would even be further affirmed when he wins the Tenth with the club. His teammates recognize his contributions both on and off the pitch and don't miss an opportunity to praise his contribution to the team.

Without Ronaldo the team whilst good and more than capable of beating most teams, would lack that winning mentality and drive to win that Ronaldo brings to the plate. I would never trade Ronaldo for any other player in the world, and the Madrid board probably thinks the same.

It just goes to show how thankless the football world is.

One day you're a legend that destroys opponents, shatters records and brings silverware to the club.

Next season you and your team lose some drive, form and confidence and you're suddenly a ball hogging prima donna who brings the team down, and the best thing to do is shun you and let you exit through the back door.

And at time nobody exemplifies this trait worse than Madrid fans. They know that if a world class player leaves, another will take his place.

But jokes on them because this is potentially another VDB, Hierro, Makelele kind of situation, where key members leave only to be replaced by stars they don't need (Beckham/Falcao).

buddytaller wrote:The perceived hatred for Ronaldo by Real Madrid fans is on Goallegacy. He's a Real Madrid legend even after four seasons, his legendary status would even be further affirmed when he wins the Tenth with the club. His teammates recognize his contributions both on and off the pitch and don't miss an opportunity to praise his contribution to the team.

Without Ronaldo the team whilst good and more than capable of beating most teams, would lack that winning mentality and drive to win that Ronaldo brings to the plate. I would never trade Ronaldo for any other player in the world, and the Madrid board probably thinks the same.

That must be why they do not want to pay him more and all this speculation of him leaving and being sad randomly came up.

Ronaldo worth 150mill

Eee i miss when football was just football. you bought a player for how good he was, not how much publicity, image rights, shirt sales he gets ect.

Never on gods green earth is that ballhogging primadonna bitch worth 150,000,000. Whats Messi worth then? 1billion?

Also, Why buy Christine when you have Zlatan? Zlatan >>>

Sushi Master wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:The day Madrid sell Ronaldo and replace him with quality team oriented players is the day I start fearing Madrid.

That's the problem... because he dominates the ball so much, our ceiling is limited. I think last year was the best we were ever going to get with CR7 as the centerpiece unfortunately.

I personally don't want him at PSG either. He's kill the growth of players like Lucas Moura and Veratti.

Agreed. It's why when we did those Bayern vs. Madrid teams I always picked Ribéry ahead of Ronaldo, and people found it hilarious. Player vs. player it does not make sence, but when you put in what they offer to the team there's a vast difference.

It's not like you'll miss the goals with Benzema and Higuain.

Thats why ronaldo outshone ribery in importance last season eh? also this is bs , ronaldo was a great team player last season and at times his individuality is needed . Saying that we would be better iwthout ronaldo is stupid as your basing your claim on some hypothetical thinking that other players will automatically step up with outstanding performances. higuain has declined after his injury, not at his best in the cl , and benzema is really inconsistent. ozil and di maria are not the most consistent players either

The issue LH though is that Rooney was having the exact same problem as both Benz and Ozil have right now... Rooney was inconsistent and could not find his marks because his involvement in play was inconsistent due to Ronaldo monopolizing the attack. As soon as CR7 left, Rooney exploded as a WC player.

When you have guys who need the ball at their feet, Ronaldo is the worst possible teammate. The guys who play well without the ball are the best fit with CR7. So it comes down to this... do you change the team to fit CR7's style or do you like the existing team more than CR7? As this year has shown, if you bet on CR7 and CR7 is not up to godly form, you suddenly have no team to pick it up behind him. On the other hand, if the team shares the responsibility more, then you're able to cope with individual pieces being off form better.

You also have the issue of players starting to become uninterested and lose motivation since they are not growing.

It's a very difficult choice because each has its risks. Maybe Ozil and Benz don't pick up the slack... but then again, maybe CR7 has peaked and last year was the best it was ever going to be. I think you always have a higher ceiling when responsibility is shared more. But that's just my opinion.

Or we could just change the tactics so Ronaldo doesn't have the ball at his feet so much? He doesn't really need the ball anyway since he's a goalscorer.

We need to build the team around Ozil and Modric instead of Ronaldo. Ronaldo should just be there to score goals and occasionally dribble. And he's one of the best goalscorers in the World, so why sell him?

Lord Hades wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

That's the problem... because he dominates the ball so much, our ceiling is limited. I think last year was the best we were ever going to get with CR7 as the centerpiece unfortunately.

I personally don't want him at PSG either. He's kill the growth of players like Lucas Moura and Veratti.

Agreed. It's why when we did those Bayern vs. Madrid teams I always picked Ribéry ahead of Ronaldo, and people found it hilarious. Player vs. player it does not make sence, but when you put in what they offer to the team there's a vast difference.

It's not like you'll miss the goals with Benzema and Higuain.

Thats why ronaldo outshone ribery in importance last season eh? also this is bs , ronaldo was a great team player last season and at times his individuality is needed . Saying that we would be better iwthout ronaldo is stupid as your basing your claim on some hypothetical thinking that other players will automatically step up with outstanding performances. higuain has declined after his injury, not at his best in the cl , and benzema is really inconsistent. ozil and di maria are not the most consistent players either

It's more a logical assumption than a hypothetical claim.

You increase a player's playing time and role and he increases his output. When you have an increased role you have more opportunities to find consistency. There's reasons for that.

You have more comfort to pace yourself, leeway to take risks on the pitch, opportunities to cultivate the habit of scoring such as free kicks and penalties etc etc.

But those are minor , there are larger problems with asking for consistency here.

> Rotation prevents consistency.

>The team itself isn't suited for him having a scoring role - we cross it in a lot and Ronaldo shoots alot..so he's left to stand and watch. Sometimes even when they aren't doing that they simply refuse to pass to him. We've all seen the various times he's been ignored because we're trying to make Kaka or someone else look good.

> His response is to drop back and engineer something for himself or for others, and he's done that pretty consistently.

The same could be said for Ozil and others...and at the moment with Higuian and lacking a right back the same could be said for Di Maria.

Selling Ronaldo is not going to magically solve this issue like some are suggesting. Neither would replacing him with a more team oriented player.

We lack a basic foundation on which to play. The 4 most talented attacking players on the team are on completely different wavelengths and Mourinhio has done nothing to integrate all of them.

We get 100% out of Ronaldo but you have to ask yourself if that's really a functional way of doing things when you get 50% out of everyone else. There are a multitude of solutions from buying players who can play their games successfully around Ronaldo , to centralizing our play around Benzema and Ozil (my preference). I feel as though i've gone into enough detail on both.

The interesting part is that Ronaldo getting better has exacerbated this structural problem. Now he suddenly wants to create. He wants to get the ball , he wants to send in crosses, almost as much as he wants to score. He's creating scoring opportunities nooone is ever going to capitalize on and moving away from his more functional role in the team.

Yohan Modric wrote:Or we could just change the tactics so Ronaldo doesn't have the ball at his feet so much? He doesn't really need the ball anyway since he's a goalscorer.

We need to build the team around Ozil and Modric instead of Ronaldo. Ronaldo should just be there to score goals and occasionally dribble. And he's one of the best goalscorers in the World, so why sell him?

Problem is MT that Ronaldo would not be happy with that. He's not the compromising type. You either need to play it his way or move him imo. There's nothing about his attitude on and off the pitch that even remotely indicates he's willing to sacrifice any part of his game... and btw, that's ok in a sense. But you then need to put players that fit around him then.

Sports do you ever notice a discernible change in the way we do things in the CL vs the league ?

I don't think our system changes Josh... i think that we have a lot of players who find Mou's tactics de-motivating for them and it shows most in La Liga since its a long competition. They self-motivate for CL because it's a big stage and they want to maintain their reputation.

Mou has burned some of our top players out mentally.

-----------Casillas
New RB--Pepe*--Ramos--Marcelo
------------New DM
---------Ozil-------Modric
--Callejon---------------Ronaldo
------------Benzema


I think it's best to have a pure DM as the last midfielder back. Alonso kinda struggles when he's the last man back and Modric and Ozil would be better as CM's. Ozil would be able to offer a lot more playing deeper. He's played CM before.

* I'm not sure Pepe and Ramos can work together. Both of them are kinda haphazard at times so maybe playing Varane instead of Pepe would make more sense. He's more composed. Ramos is overall better at distribution than Pepe is and I think he'll up being a leader-type CB.

New RB - Carvajal could be bought back, who's apparently impressing in Bundesliga. Either way we just need a new RB.

Benzema would be able to drop deep etc and do what he likes here. Callejon and Ronaldo are goalscorers so he wouldn't really have to worry too much about making runs etc.

Basically this system wouldn't be hoofing to the wings and relying on random lucky Di Maria crosses. Or simply relying on counter-attacks. It would be about using the midfield more, passing etc.

Lol we get 50 percent out of everyone else because they are inconsistent as hell , you cant blame that on ronaldo . benzema dawdling about, lookinf absolutely uninterested , higuain thanks to his pace decling post injury no longer able to move that well, ozil burning hot and cold , di maria - lol the lesser said the better, modric getting dominated by half decent midfields .Please dont tell me that they are playing badly because of ronaldo, this is just an attempt to hide their deficiences and make ronaldo the scapegoat of their average play .Last season all of them were pretty good even with ronaldo firing, it was a most potent attack .But this season most of our attackers bar ronaldo are just uninspired, out of form , lacklaidisical . *bleep* cant create chances in open play against celta, sevilla ,etc are you seriously telling me that is also ronaldo's fault?

Also rooney has always had a problem with inconsistency , even last seaso nor before that he was very hit and miss. He became a better player with age .

Lord Hades wrote:Lol we get 50 percent out of everyone else because they are inconsistent as hell , you cant blame that on ronaldo . benzema dawdling about, lookinf absolutely uninterested , higuain thanks to his pace decling post injury no longer able to move that well, ozil burning hot and cold , di maria - lol the lesser said the better, modric getting dominated by half decent midfields .Please dont tell me that they are playing badly because of ronaldo, this is just an attempt to hide their deficiences and make ronaldo the scapegoat of their average play .Last season all of them were pretty good even with ronaldo firing, it was a most potent attack .But this season most of our attackers bar ronaldo are just uninspired, out of form , lacklaidisical . *bleep* cant create chances in open play against celta, sevilla ,etc are you seriously telling me that is also ronaldo's fault?

Also rooney has always had a problem with inconsistency , even last seaso nor before that he was very hit and miss. He became a better player with age .

This
also;
http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2012/12/21/3618103/ronaldo-threatens-legal-action-following-false-news-reports

chinomaster182 wrote:It just goes to show how thankless the football world is.

One day you're a legend that destroys opponents, shatters records and brings silverware to the club.

Next season you and your team lose some drive, form and confidence and you're suddenly a ball hogging prima donna who brings the team down, and the best thing to do is shun you and let you exit through the back door.

And at time nobody exemplifies this trait worse than Madrid fans. They know that if a world class player leaves, another will take his place.

But jokes on them because this is potentially another VDB, Hierro, Makelele kind of situation, where key members leave only to be replaced by stars they don't need (Beckham/Falcao).

totally agree

i hope lesamurai learns ... oh and nick too

Real would be better without Ronaldo, IF Ozil was more consistent, IF Benz was actually interested in scoring goals, IF Higuain performed in big games, IF Di Maria didnt have decision making of a toddler, but the fact is that without him these inconsistent players dont shine every game. Ozil's chance of having a great game is 50/50, Benz's heading ability and lack of goal scoring instincts are a hindrance too. Benz is probably the most talented on the ball striker right now, however off the ball he is just an average player. I hope Ronaldo gets sold, then they can buy their new toy (Neymar/Goetze/Falcao etc).

It's pretty hard to replace Ronaldo tbh. I don't think Madrid should sell him. With Mou going (as they are predicting) then we may see some manager come in and help Ronaldo and the team become the team they were before... The whole team is not performing well and this may be due because of dressing room problems, lack of confidence whatever. With a new coach, attitude of the whole team may change and may see problems become solved including Ronaldo.
No reason why to sell such a legend of Madrid simply because he lacks a certain element of the game etc.

Apparently Real Madrid will have to pay him double his wages since the tax will increase. I don't really think he's worth that. It'd be best to sell him and get Neymar or Falcao.