The Impact of Eden Hazard at Chelsea versus Neymar at Barça

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Post by Casciavit Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:27 pm

Gil wrote:You guys just got his NT manager who compared him to the great Zidane without blinking an eye and you think this is an indictment on Hazard?

I don't think he'll ever match Messi's & Ronaldo's yearly consistency without a direct rival pushing him to improve every year but it's not completely impossible to reach one of his peak seasons. If lesser talented players like Suarez & Ibrahimovic can do it then it's not a target that's completely out of the orbit for Eden. He's talented, assured in his ability and has acknowledged he needs to score more to ever reach their level so I wouldn't put it past him.

He doesn't have Messi's explosiveness over the first 5 yards but from what I've seen this season his all round game is already his level. He just needs to become more decisive like Wilmots said and that'll come over time. The same criticism was leveled off at both Messi & Ronaldo earlier on in their careers if you remember correctly.

Like my man Le Samoroui already noted Hazard is a completely selfless player, he'll always look for the pass before he takes a shot. A statistic that emphasizes this point is the fact he's 4th in the PL in goalscoring yet averages the 31st most shots in the League. This is of course partly because he doesn't take up the attacking positions the likes of Ronaldo & Messi do but you have to acknowledge he's playing a different role than those two.

I think next season when we eventually move away from "give Eden the damn ball and lets see what happens". Both the team and Hazard will evolve into the very elite.....a left back that completely dominates his flank a la Marcelo/Alves in Shaw will take a load of burden off Hazard. A World Class centre midfielder to pair with Matic which relives Hazard the duty of taking up interior positions to help build up play & keep us ticking but instead force him to take up more devestating positions in the final 3rd. And of course....as well as old man Eto'o has been doing all things considered, a striker who's movement isn't completely shit and can finish the chances Hazard will create.



Hazard's highlights so far this season. What a player!

Ruining a decent post, with a part like that.

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Post by sree999 Sat May 10, 2014 4:54 pm

GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS

neymar

25 9 8 68

hazard

34 14 7 70
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Post by sportsczy Sat May 10, 2014 5:17 pm

Yeah but last year... Hazard started 52 games (crazy lol) and got 15 goals/20 assists. Managers tactics play a big part in production. Mou wants to make Hazard into a primary scorer and he's a primary playmaker. Scoring has always come as a result of playmaking for Hazard.

As far as Neymer... anyone who plays with "it's all about me" players like a Messi is going to suffer as a striker. Shots per game goes down. Touches on the ball goes down. Probably played out of position too. Don't blame him. His talent is obvious... but he won't get many chances while Messi is there and emphasized to this level.
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Post by Harmonica Tue May 13, 2014 9:24 am

Neymar's poorness has nothing to do with Messi, but his own poor finishing, diving, running all over place disrupting team dynamic, and his Brazilian Sunday Samba-league developed body.

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Few examples of Messi feeding him to goal galore, oh wait. Even the last one was an offside.

Neymar has followed Robinho's footsteps to this point pretty much to the letter. Big fish in the Brazilian Sunday-league, good Confeds and then flopped in Europe first season.
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Post by sanchez04 Tue May 13, 2014 10:54 pm

Neymar has more talent than Hazard no doubt. Also dribbling in EPL is way easier with ton of space. Ask CR7 and Bale. I watched the the video you posted . He just does normal dribblings nothing more. Neymar is another level

He will never be Messi. Messi is a kind of player that comes once in 50 years. Actually i cant remember anyone who was best at scoring and best at playmaking. Yes no playmaker will dribble 2-3 players and open space then make a killer pass. Im sure any of you would take messi as a playmaker over your current playmaker (behind striker). So this is why he is best at it. And best at scoring

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Post by sree999 Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:56 pm

Bump ....
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Post by Donuts Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:04 pm

not really a great time to bump it.

barcelona can still win nothing while chelsea are very likely to win the league etc with the efforts of hazard.

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Post by sree999 Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:20 pm

Well now season is over . Time to bump .
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:35 pm

They are both top 5 players. Different styles, but both great in their own rights
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:53 pm

Valkyrja wrote:They are both top 5 players. Different styles, but both great in their own rights


Impossible considering there's 4 players better than both of them.

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Post by S Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:59 pm

who mole
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where is he ffs
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:01 pm

S wrote:who mole


Messi, Ronaldo, Robben and Suarez.
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Suarez isn't better than them. Robben is on their level though
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Post by S Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:03 pm

Can we expect Robben to be the same after his injury though ? Not to mention age is not on his side.
It might to be a tad bit premature to call Hazard Top 5 but its not that farfetched tbh.
Matter of time before he cements his place among the elite.
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Post by farfan Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:04 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
S wrote:who mole


Messi, Ronaldo, Robben and Suarez.


did you also think that Robben was a top 4 player back in 2005 ?

'i'm not sure if it's you , but i think i remember you saying that Robben was at least this good , if not better during his time at Chelsea .
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:04 pm

Valkyrja wrote:Suarez isn't better than them. Robben is on their level though


Considering how Suarez just had a 20+20 season after hardly playing for the first 6 months and how he ripped the Premier League apart is far above anything Neymar and Hazard has done yes he is.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:06 pm

S wrote:Can we expect Robben to be the same after his injury though ? Not to mention age is not on his side.
It might to be a tad bit premature to call Hazard Top 5 but its not that farfetched tbh.
Matter of time before he cements his place among the elite.


All fair and i never said Hazard won't be one day, he's not far off it but he's not there yet.

farfan wrote:
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S wrote:who mole


Messi, Ronaldo, Robben and Suarez.


did you also think that Robben was a top 4 player back in 2005 ?

'i'm not sure if it's you , but i think i remember you saying that Robben was at least this good , if not better during his time at Chelsea .


He was but there was more talent around back then, a lot of the players that were top 10 then have either retired or declined.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:08 pm

How can ANYONE argue Suarez isn't a top 5 player after a season he has had?

Suarez, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Robben are in  a separate league.

Then the likes of Bale, Hazard, Benzema, Sanchez comes in.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:11 pm

I have James Rodriguez before most of that second five hmm

Also Aguero as well.
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Post by Kaladin Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:11 pm

I'd say that Suarez, CR, Messi, Ibra, Benz and Robben all are ahead when on form. But atm, i think he can find a spot ahead of some
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Post by Kaladin Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:12 pm

By 'he' i mean Neymar
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Post by Ganso Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:13 pm

Ibra isnt even a top 10 player anymore
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:15 pm

RealGunner wrote:How can ANYONE argue Suarez isn't a top 6 player after a season he has had?

Messi & Neuer are in a separate league, followed by Suarez, Neymar, Robben, Ronaldo.

Then the likes of Müller, Hazard, Benzema, Sanchez, Boateng, Alaba, De Bruyne come in.


Sounds about right.
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