Are Madrid the Real Deal?

Hapless_Hans wrote:what's there to debate? You're writing gibberish.

Probably the umpteenth time you have put my post down to gibberish considering you failed to counter-act my point. As displayed by previous occasions, when you seem so sensitive to a point you vehemently disagree upon, you retort back within nothing except criticizing the post itself without actually coming up with any constructive criticism.

Bastian Schweinsteiger and Philipp Lahm are not the leaders they are made out to be while Manuel Neuer is twice the leader both of them are. If your scrotum continues to shrivel by that statement, then carry on.

Then again I cannot debate with a man who thinks Jerôme Boateng is the best CB in the world.

Piggy is injured, and consequently out of form, too often to be considered a leader anymore. Definitely one a couple of years back. Lahm is a leader no doubt... i like him a ton too like Neuer.

The 3 players that are currently carrying Bayern imo are Neuer, Lahm and Robben. They are the most consistent.

Arquitescu wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:what's there to debate? You're writing gibberish.

Probably the umpteenth time you have put my post down to gibberish considering you failed to counter-act my point. As displayed by previous occasions, when you seem so sensitive to a point you vehemently disagree upon, you retort back within nothing except criticizing the post itself without actually coming up with any constructive criticism.

Bastian Schweinsteiger and Philipp Lahm are not the leaders they are made out to be while Manuel Neuer is twice the leader both of them are. If your scrotum continues to shrivel by that statement, then carry on.

Then again I cannot debate with a man who thinks Jerôme Boateng is the best CB in the world.

If I may , Does Neuer being a better '' leader '' than Lahm and Bastian S. make these two bad '' leaders '' ?
I'll never blame someone for not being a leader anyways.

About Boateng, he may not The best CB in the world but he's in that group of best right now.

Arquitescu wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:what's there to debate? You're writing gibberish.

Probably the umpteenth time you have put my post down to gibberish considering you failed to counter-act my point. As displayed by previous occasions, when you seem so sensitive to a point you vehemently disagree upon, you retort back within nothing except criticizing the post itself without actually coming up with any constructive criticism.

Bastian Schweinsteiger and Philipp Lahm are not the leaders they are made out to be while Manuel Neuer is twice the leader both of them are. If your scrotum continues to shrivel by that statement, then carry on.

Then again I cannot debate with a man who thinks Jerôme Boateng is the best CB in the world.

well, you've got high standards, after all Pep said the very same thing in the press conference before the Hambug cup game

http://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/pressekonferenz-live-ticker-pep-guardiola-fc-bayern-muenchen-dfb-pokal-hamburger-sv-4276399.html

Bénin wrote:

Arquitescu wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:what's there to debate? You're writing gibberish.

Probably the umpteenth time you have put my post down to gibberish considering you failed to counter-act my point. As displayed by previous occasions, when you seem so sensitive to a point you vehemently disagree upon, you retort back within nothing except criticizing the post itself without actually coming up with any constructive criticism.

Bastian Schweinsteiger and Philipp Lahm are not the leaders they are made out to be while Manuel Neuer is twice the leader both of them are. If your scrotum continues to shrivel by that statement, then carry on.

Then again I cannot debate with a man who thinks Jerôme Boateng is the best CB in the world.

If I may , Does Neuer being a better '' leader '' than Lahm and Bastian S. make these two bad '' leaders '' ?
I'll never blame someone for not being a leader anyways.

About Boateng, he may not The best CB in the world but he's in that group of best right now.

On Schweinsteiger; he has leadership traits yet that does not mean he is a leader. Many times, too many times I have seen him be the vocal voice of the team yet will shrink within the biggest times of pressure for Bayern Munich and Germany subsequently. What he does do in leadership is lead by example within the pitch yet shirks from certainly responsibilities (i.e the penalties vs Madrid, other instances) does not have him as a leadership in the objective sense of the word.

Lahm on the other hand is very consistent whether in regards to his play, words and general thought process. Yet he is a typical example of a captain who is more a politician than leader as I have failed to see many times where a team has been inspired directly through him outside his consistency as he does not hold a candle to ones like Kahn, Effenberg etc in those traits.

It is not a criticism of them, yet a remark.

Neuer on the other hand has been limited by the Bayern Süd Ultras distaste towards him (to which I do not know if it is present still or not) yet his leadership is blatantly obvious in all dimensions of the team and in leadership study in general.

Kahn and Effenberg coincidentally both have criticized the leadership of the pair. Anyone who has witnessed true captains let alone leaders know they have the traits yet are nowhere near outstanding leaders.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

Arquitescu wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:what's there to debate? You're writing gibberish.

Probably the umpteenth time you have put my post down to gibberish considering you failed to counter-act my point. As displayed by previous occasions, when you seem so sensitive to a point you vehemently disagree upon, you retort back within nothing except criticizing the post itself without actually coming up with any constructive criticism.

Bastian Schweinsteiger and Philipp Lahm are not the leaders they are made out to be while Manuel Neuer is twice the leader both of them are. If your scrotum continues to shrivel by that statement, then carry on.

Then again I cannot debate with a man who thinks Jerôme Boateng is the best CB in the world.

well, you've got high standards, after all Pep said the very same thing in the press conference before the Hambug cup game

http://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/pressekonferenz-live-ticker-pep-guardiola-fc-bayern-muenchen-dfb-pokal-hamburger-sv-4276399.html

A coach labelling a player of his team the best player in the world in his own position?

Where have I not heard that before?

It is quite common to see a coach praise a player in his position for that regard which is result of either post-game euphoria or a mental motivation to live up to the statement.

I.e when Pep himself called Pique the best CB in the world or Valdes the best in his position.

Boateng being the best in the world in the end is an opinion of yours I disagree on, but an opinion in the end as there is no tangible requisite to actually debate that point anyway.

Pep also gave us " mandzukic is the best striker in the world " last year just few months before throwing him out like a sack of yesterday's turds

Nah farfa, he said "best striker in the box", and knowing Pep that was actually a dig

VivaStPauli wrote:

Doc wrote:To be fair Versacci, we were talking big before any relative real success came the club's way so I'm not seeing any real difference.

But Hans being reminded his team lost 5-0 on aggregate including a 4-0 walloping in Germany all under Pep's watch is very necessary.

Spoiler:

Wouldn't have happened with any German coach!

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I also notice "Olympiastadion Munchen" on the scoreboard.

that's where we played until we built the Allianz Arena. Was a terrible stadium for football.

that stadium was my favorite on pes 3

for some reason , i always think of giovane elber when i see it

Zealous wrote:In 50 years no one will remember CR's missed freekicks but the night he made a clown of Neuer will remain a highlight forever

Actually I liked it how Manu Neuer made a clown of CR7 when he put the invincible German wall Philipp Lahm in the World Cup

haha, rwo good one
Madrid sooner or later going to pay for their midfield imbalance.

midfield imbalance  We defend with two block of 4 and Ronaldo pinches back if the ball is on his side and Benz the same with the other side.

We've conceded 8 goals total in the 12 games since mid-Sept (when Carlo adjusted the system based on his experiments with Kroos and James).  Most of those were late goals when we subbed out players and dropped concentration in blowout games.

Compared to the CB pairing of Boateng-Benatia, Pepe-Ramos-Varane look like the second coming of Nesta and Baresi  Not to mention Bayern have Alaba at LB, which makes Marcelo look like Lizerazu... not an easy feat.  

Also, the reason Xabi Alonso left was that he couldn't handle the pace defensively that Madrid wanted from the position.  His age had slowed him down... he was benched by Kroos. Kroos is not a great defensive player by any means. But he was better than Alonso mainly due to the fact that he's good positionally and can handle himself under pressure with the ball once we recover it.

I'd LOVE to play Bayern again because we're just plain better....  and tactically, it would be a joy to see Pep try a 343 against us.

Be careful what you wish for Sportz. Bayern isn't exactly Barcelona nor is Guardiola some noob like Lucho.

You forgot last year Doc?  Carlo tactically destroyed Pep.  Knowing Pep, he doesn't have a plan B...  it's plan A or bust.  Unless Pep decides to play a different tactic altogether that would require him to commit far fewer people to the attack and play a lower back line to block our counter attacks... then Bayern are at a very clear tactical disadvantage from the word go.  Since we have more talent = another loss for Bayern.

Of course I remember last season's wonderful UCL semis. Indeed, Carlo had his number and Pep even admitted he got it all wrong (whatever he deemed wrong). But I don't think Pep is the sort of man to repeat the same wrongs he apparently made.

Imagine earning like 18M euros a season and not knowing what every 12 year old kid with a football game knows in that playing a ridiculously high line against a bunch of athletically gifted, counter attacking legends is asking for a bad time.

pep looks exactly like a man who repeats his mistakes due to his obsession with his style.

But what is he going to do different? Pep plays one style and one style only... that's the whole problem with the system tbh. It either works or you have to out-talent opponents. But if the style is countered effectively and there's no talent advantage... then it's dead in the water. He can' just suddenly commit less people to the attack and play a lower line... then his whole system is out the toilet.

Even if Pep manages to even out the tactical field... then it will come down to who has the better difference makers. Madrid have more difference makers than Bayern.

Doesn't mean that Madrid would win every time or that we are immune to having a bad game. But 7 out of 10 games, Carlo's Madrid beats Pep's Bayern.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Imagine earning like 18M euros a season and not knowing what every 12 year old kid with a football game knows in that playing a ridiculously high line against a bunch of athletically gifted, counter attacking legends is asking for a bad time.

Not to mention having the fullbacks commit full blast to the attack so you're even more exposed.

I would trust a man like Mourinho more than Pep to exploit Madrid it is altogether a different matter if Mourinho has resources or not. But I think he just has enough to give it a GO

to give an example, yesterday Coutinho's small dream run made Kroos foul him and earn a yellow card. I am damn sure, if you notice the positions everyone was during that 40-50 seconds time, it was clear that it can be exploited more with experienced, established and quality players.

As Carlo said:  "we did not play at a high tempo because we did not need to."  We cruised mostly and didn't play with much intensity.  Doesn't mean that we didn't try... but we didn't try our hardest.  Our defensive intensity wasn't very high as a result.  Kroos needs our defense to play with high intensity to be effective.  He's not a defensive specialist... it's a team effort with him.  

Barca could do nothing against Kroos or Madrid for that matter and you can't tell me there's a more talented attacking line than that who will play Madrid.

http://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2014/11/ancelotti-benzema-is-a-very-important-player-for-us

it doesnt work like that in football, just because Barca could not do it, doesnt mean a midfield of Matic, Fabregas and Oscar (just an example) wont be able to do it. With a proper rigid setup and game plan, why not!! I am not saying, it will be, just saying, it can be.