Juventus are the biggest flop in europe this year

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Arquitescu wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Pathetic stuff, karma is a btch. No wonder he left the pitch like a thief

Though to be fair, he was far and away their best player in both ties along with Lichtsteiner.

It doesnt matter. did he win the tie all by himself then?no. Arrogance like that wins you nothing, if pirlo is the team leader and thinks like that, then that;s the message that they are taking benfica from above

so glad they lost, after losing to copenhagen and gala u think they would have learnt

Sportscy wrote:I don't think Juventus are flops... i think that Serie A is in a downcycle and Juve gets overrated based on its Serie A performance.

Also, i don't like a 352 for this reason mostly... the most important players in that system are the wingbacks: Asamoah and Lichsteiner. If teams play narrow against Juve, they are the key to making the attack work. But those guys are in no way the better players on the team. Why would you play a system that doesn't emphasize the best players?

Second... Llorente is a statue and Tevez doesn't know how to make runs. You have two tier 2 strikers. Why do you think they're going to be able to carry the entire attacking load by themselves?

For these reasons, it stuns me that Juve haven't switched to a 433. They need the extra forward and the also need to emphasize their best players.

I'll add that Bonnucci has been very poor this year, so there's no need to force 3 CBs on the pitch.

Ion Creanga wrote:more fuel on this:

Conte: “The team that least deserved it went through.”
“What didn’t work was that we didn’t get that incident going our way. It’s a shame, as these games are right on the limit, Benfica obstructed us at every turn and the referee allowed them to do it.

“He gave six minutes of stoppages when we were already three in without playing, so it took us for a ride,” said Conte of English referee Mark Clattenburg.

“It’s a shame, as with two shots on target over two legs Benfica went through. Over the two games Juventus certainly deserved to go through.

“I think Juventus gave all they had. It is an exciting, but also very exhausting season, because for the first time we’ve reached the final stages of European competition.

“I don’t think we saw a team struggling to stay on its feet tonight. They ran from the first to the 95th minute. It was a strong performance, we didn’t get the lucky moment we needed to change the game, so in that sense Benfica were more fortunate.

“It was a real pity, as in the first leg there was a red card and penalty for the elbow on Chiellini, while tonight there was an obvious penalty not given. The team that least deserved it went through.

“You just have to look at the statistics. Benfica had two shots on target over two legs. That was it. They have international experience and showed it tonight, as down to 10 men they stopped us playing and I am truly disappointed the referee allowed them to get away with that.”

Ion Creanga wrote:more fuel on this:

Conte: “The team that least deserved it went through.”
“What didn’t work was that we didn’t get that incident going our way. It’s a shame, as these games are right on the limit, Benfica obstructed us at every turn and the referee allowed them to do it.

“He gave six minutes of stoppages when we were already three in without playing, so it took us for a ride,” said Conte of English referee Mark Clattenburg.

“It’s a shame, as with two shots on target over two legs Benfica went through. Over the two games Juventus certainly deserved to go through.

“I think Juventus gave all they had. It is an exciting, but also very exhausting season, because for the first time we’ve reached the final stages of European competition.

“I don’t think we saw a team struggling to stay on its feet tonight. They ran from the first to the 95th minute. It was a strong performance, we didn’t get the lucky moment we needed to change the game, so in that sense Benfica were more fortunate.

“It was a real pity, as in the first leg there was a red card and penalty for the elbow on Chiellini, while tonight there was an obvious penalty not given. The team that least deserved it went through.

“You just have to look at the statistics. Benfica had two shots on target over two legs. That was it. They have international experience and showed it tonight, as down to 10 men they stopped us playing and I am truly disappointed the referee allowed them to get away with that.”

sportsczy wrote:I never thought you'd ever say that other Serie A teams would do better in Europa Arqi  When's the last time a Serie A team got to the Europa semis?  I can't even remember.  Teams from Italy (and every other better league other than Portugal and Spain) don't give a rat's arse about Europa.  As a result, they play the C team early and get knocked out early as a rule...

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Where are the Tevez > Higuain fanboys now?

Juveman17 wrote:Conte is a *bleep* disgrace. Whines like a little girl, makes excuse after excuse, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

MAN UP CONTE. YOUR JUVE FLOPPED. YOU FAILED TACTICALLY. What a bitch.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Not to jump on the Vidal is overrated bandwagon but anyone that watches Serie A knows that he has been under-performing since the turn of the year. Coincidentally when he stopped being hyped to heaven.

Where are the Tevez > Higuain fanboys now?

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Vidal's been carrying fluid in his knee for a long time lmfao

And still when half-fit looks like one of our best players.

It's a typical trend not just on GL but across the world. When a team fails to live up to expectations, people who don't follow the team regularly enough to find actual reasons why just list the best players that team has and criticises them.

It's not Vidals fault Bonucci is a *bleep* clown at times, it's not our b2b midfielders fault he can't dribble 4 people and crack one in. We have some clear flaws, and Arturo *bleep* Vidal is clearly not one of them.

chad4401 wrote:seria a teams never play their best line up cause they don't take the europa seriously , that excuse still valid?

sportsczy wrote:Reason why i feel both Serie A and Ligue 1 are doomed to always stay 4-6th position in UEFA = Europa apathy.  Same points as CL for UEFA.  Portugal take it so seriously and, frankly, Bundi, EPL and La Liga have better elite teams = CL success will be less compared to those leagues...  Somehow, the national federations need to incentivize the clubs.  Maybe they should automatically qualify teams that are in European competitions to the next round of cup competition until they get eliminated.  Something like that.

I mean Europa is carried by W9 television in France.  It's a scrub free network...  i mean it's even in the minor leagues here when it comes to media coverage

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Pirlo on drawing Benfica three weeks ago: "I feel sorry for them." That backfired pretty ugly.

Pathetic stuff, karma is a btch. No wonder he left the pitch like a thief

juventus101 wrote:Havent even gotten in the thread yet and already being insulted? Oh well, guess I shouldnt expect better. And Tomwin Lannister, ive been a Juve fan longer than youve probably been alive.

Anyways, some of the blame should go to Conte for 1. Playing the 352, and 2. Not starting Marchisio (who created more in the 20 minutes he was on than Pogba, Pirlo, and Vidal put together in 90 minutes). But overall im actually not mad. Disappointed yea, but not mad at our players or coach. We were clearly the better team, just like against Real Madrid, but we lacked width, and most of all lacked finishing. Finishing has been our problem since Trezeguet left and it still is. Yes its gotten far better than the last few years with the addition of Llorente and Tevez, but its still not good enough. The players are good enough, but the finishing when it matters just wasnt.

To call us flops though is a joke. We were not outplayed a single time in Europe this season or last outside of the Bayern ties. I know the scoreline is what matters i the end but not all of it, certainly not to me at least. For example, id rather be the better team and lose than park the bus and win. I know Benfica didnt park it, but its just an example. We were the better team, as well as against Madrid, so I think its very harsh to xall us flops.

Overall, im very disappointed, very pissed off to be perfectly honest but we just need to move on from here, win the game on the weekend to clinch the Scudetto and then start thinking about next year. I think we have a serious shot at winning the CL in all honestly, were just a piece or two away. So lets do it.

Mr Nick09 wrote:Portugal just passed Italy in uefa rankings

1-Spain
2-England
3-Bundi
4-Portugal
5-italy
6-France

thankfully Roma are on their way