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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:03 pm

@estrella bernabeu wrote:According to Marca, Real Madrid has to pay 60M€ and a wage of 7M€ (tax free) to Neymar's transfert. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
:brickwall: Uncle Flo turn on "the Jerk" software !!! it's daylight robbery

the lol is on you taking what Marca reports on transfers at face value.

We could get both Gotze and Harzard for less, I've a bad feeling about this buy, it has a big fail written all over it.

No we cant, they would both cost over that value. Dortmund refused 40M for Gotze, and Hazard costs minimum 30M atm, and most likely more at the end of the season, specially if they are champions again.

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Post by estrella bernabeu on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:13 pm

I don't know if it is a Flo's obsession or a fear to remake a CR case or a Mou wish... but what i'm sure of is that this bid and this buy is a total BS, a swindle, a robbery... and this will put more pressure on the club from the media and from haters mouth. We're still searching for our image of that club who throned Europe in stead of that sh!t of Galacticos era.
Believe me, we're gonna be in a crappy situation due to this salary, problems in dressing room will be in dozen.

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Post by buddytaller on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:15 pm

I doubt Dortmund will refuse 30 million euros for Gotze if a team like Bayern comes knocking, especially if they get knocked out of the CL in the first round and fail to challenge for the Budesliga, and Hazard could be bought for 25 million if the negotiation is done on the quite.

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Post by CristianoRonaldo7 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:15 pm

I'm so terrified by this move. He's worth maybe 35M imo. Barca bascially got Sanchez for 26M and he's better than Neymar right now. Same with di Miaria. Right now his transition is going to be huge. He needs to get way stronger and stop diving asap. Obviously he has great skills and great potential but I don't think he's going to have an Ozil like impact.

Hate to bring this up again but we should have gotten Augero. CR7, Augero, Benz, and Ozil behind them would be deadly right NOW.

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Post by Doc on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:16 pm

@The Madrid One wrote:i dont even care about neymar at the moment. right now we are broken.

i want league and cl this season, we fail and tmo will unleash his ultimate weapon.

Unless you get to show such a weapon to Perez himself, you'll probably just piss off the JD and your fellow RM posters...

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Post by buddytaller on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:18 pm

@estrella bernabeu wrote:I don't know if it is a Flo's obsession or a fear to remake a CR case or a Mou wish... but what i'm sure of is that this bid and this buy is a total BS, a swindle, a robbery... and this will put more pressure on the club from the media and from haters mouth. We're still searching for our image of that club who throned Europe in stead of that sh!t of Galacticos era.
Believe me, we're gonna be in a crappy situation due to this salary, problems in dressing room will be in dozen.

Worse of all will be the poor 19 year old, imagine if he does a Torres and goes on a long scoreless streak, I can only imagine the headlines in Spain. Why don't we wait for him to mature and break the world record transfer fee for him, at least he'll be more matured then and we can expect immediate results.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:20 pm

@buddytaller wrote:I doubt Dortmund will refuse 30 million euros for Gotze if a team like Bayern comes knocking, especially if they get knocked out of the CL in the first round and fail to challenge for the Budesliga, and Hazard could be bought for 25 million if the negotiation is done on the quite.

You are assuming a lot of IFs in your reasoning, never a good idea. What IF they are champions again...?

I know the french football market, and there is simply no way you would buy Hazard for 25M atm, just not happening.

ps: Dortmund would sell gotze for 20M to Arsenal rather than selling him for 25-30M to Bayern


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Post by estrella bernabeu on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:20 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
@estrella bernabeu wrote:According to Marca, Real Madrid has to pay 60M€ and a wage of 7M€ (tax free) to Neymar's transfert. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
:brickwall: Uncle Flo turn on "the Jerk" software !!! it's daylight robbery

the lol is on you taking what Marca reports on transfers at face value.

We could get both Gotze and Harzard for less, I've a bad feeling about this buy, it has a big fail written all over it.

No we cant, they would both cost over that value. Dortmund refused 40M for Gotze, and Hazard costs minimum 30M atm, and most likely more at the end of the season, specially if they are champions again.

Not sure Marca reports on Neymar transfer are wrong coz i'm totally convinced that Madrid bid was at min 50M€. Btw, all medias are talking about this amount of 60 Neutral

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:24 pm

@estrella bernabeu wrote:I don't know if it is a Flo's obsession or a fear to remake a CR case or a Mou wish... but what i'm sure of is that this bid and this buy is a total BS, a swindle, a robbery... and this will put more pressure on the club from the media and from haters mouth. We're still searching for our image of that club who throned Europe in stead of that sh!t of Galacticos era.
Believe me, we're gonna be in a crappy situation due to this salary, problems in dressing room will be in dozen.

players at Real earn what their are worth for the club in merchandise. Ozil earns 5M and there is no way to justify such high wages. he should be earning 3M but the 2M in difference is the money we make off him. Neymar should get 3M but the bump up in his salary will be the enormous marketing potential he has. That's the way it works, and everybody understands it.

What pressure are you talking about? sometimes it's better to look at yourself and do things your way rather than caring so much about the outside opinion, i dont think it's very relevant here.


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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:26 pm

@estrella bernabeu wrote:

Not sure Marca reports on Neymar transfer are wrong coz i'm totally convinced that Madrid bid was at min 50M€. Btw, all medias are talking about this amount of 60 Neutral

What medias? what sources? there is one gossip paper making up a number, and everyone follows, they are all still clueless. Be wary of your sources, and Marca in terms of trasnfers is a No No.

Medias talk about 60M because they heard about Barca offering 60M, which sounds like BS, and they assume that for us to sign Neymar we need to match them or do better... see the link?

"Barcelona offers 60M for Neymar in 2013"
"Real Madrid responds with 60M but they want him now"
if it doesnt bite,
"Real Madrid ready to break transfer record with 65M fee for Neymar" etc....
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Post by estrella bernabeu on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:41 pm

Maybe medias are linking infos from Marca, but still have a feeling that Flo has made a huge mistake (IMO for sure).
Under any cicumstances i'm not gonna buy Neymar for more than 30M.
Otherwise, for the salaries subject, i'm thinking about players like Di Maria (who asked for a salary increase), Marcelo, Pepe, Ramos... who wont get it as a media benefits. A 19yo lad making his first steps in Europe, even when he is the best wunderkid, cant touch that wage.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:49 pm

What are you afraid of? please provide me reasonable arguments.

We are going to sign Neymar for around 45M and we will swallow that cost in a single season.

Neymar is already earning more than 5M in brazil, did you know that? He is already earning like big players in Europe, and it didnt start this season. He leaves with his dad, who let him access a very small portion of that money. I will look for the value again, but it's not much.

RM owns players rights, and make money off it, it's only normal that players perceive a portion of that money, everybody at the club understand it, i really dont understand what you worry about, it's nothing new.

Like i said, Ozil would earn 3M in another club but he gives up 50% of his image rights in madrid so we bump up what we pay to him.

Same with Neymar, he would earn around 3M, but we bump it up to 6M because of the Marketing potential, it's a business agreement, simple as that.

This is a no issue imo.
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Post by EarlyPrototype on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:51 pm

"Sources close to the player said to AS should occur today."

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Post by Albiceleste on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:53 pm

@EarlyPrototype wrote:"Sources close to the player said to AS should occur today."

What should occur today? hmm

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Post by Ganso on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:54 pm

"I went to the hospital for personal reasons"....yeah right.A mere coincidence that Diez was in Brazil yesterday?


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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:55 pm

@EarlyPrototype wrote:"Sources close to the player said to AS should occur today."


Guillem Balague wrote:he did. Madrid want to announce the deal with Neymar in the next hours/days but need to finalise deal with Santos

Balague did report about the pre agreement between Neymar and RM, juts like EC, who is mentioning that the transfer would be around 45M, maybe less.

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Post by Doc on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:58 pm

So....the Neymar transfer saga is back on or it never left?


I don't know anymore...

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Post by estrella bernabeu on Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:00 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:What are you afraid of? please provide me reasonable arguments.

We are going to sign Neymar for around 45M and we will swallow that cost in a single season.

Neymar is already earning more than 5M in brazil, did you know that? He is already earning like big players in Europe, and it didnt start this season. He leaves with his dad, who let him access a very small portion of that money. I will look for the value again, but it's not much.

RM owns players rights, and make money off it, it's only normal that players perceive a portion of that money, everybody at the club understand it, i really dont understand what you worry about, it's nothing new.

Like i said, Ozil would earn 3M in another club but he gives up 50% of his image rights in madrid so we bump up what we pay to him.

Same with Neymar, he would earn around 3M, but we bump it up to 6M because of the Marketing potential, it's a business agreement, simple as that.

This is a no issue imo.

I'm not really getting the whole story !! i can't digest it at all pale

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Post by guest7 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:12 pm

So... its inofficially official now?
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Post by estrella bernabeu on Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:16 pm

"I was in the hospital visiting my wife"
Cuatro said that the transfer will be officialised within hours.

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Post by Ganso on Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:19 pm

Nothing will be official,i can assure you guys that...It will only become official next year.

I dont buy that hospital bs though
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:58 pm

@estrella bernabeu wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:What are you afraid of? please provide me reasonable arguments.

We are going to sign Neymar for around 45M and we will swallow that cost in a single season.

Neymar is already earning more than 5M in brazil, did you know that? He is already earning like big players in Europe, and it didnt start this season. He leaves with his dad, who let him access a very small portion of that money. I will look for the value again, but it's not much.

RM owns players rights, and make money off it, it's only normal that players perceive a portion of that money, everybody at the club understand it, i really dont understand what you worry about, it's nothing new.

Like i said, Ozil would earn 3M in another club but he gives up 50% of his image rights in madrid so we bump up what we pay to him.

Same with Neymar, he would earn around 3M, but we bump it up to 6M because of the Marketing potential, it's a business agreement, simple as that.

This is a no issue imo.

I'm not really getting the whole story !! i can't digest it at all pale

you complained about us spending a lot on him, and i tell you we will absorb that value very quickly thanks to his marketability.

you said 6M is too much for him in wages, and i explained that at RM, players earns what they are worth + bonus, because they give up half their image rights when they sign for us. Ozil for example is really worth say 3M, but we pay him 3M + 2M, because we make money off his back. So in the same way, Neymar who for ex would be worth 3M, will earn 3M + 3M, because of his marketability. All players understand the way it works.

you complained about a 19yo earning too much money, and im informing you that he already earns well above 5M with Santos, and money isnt something new for him. He leaves with his Dad, who gives him a small allowance from his wages, so that he gets used to managed small amounts.



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Post by Ganso on Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:00 pm

not like money is a problem for RM anyway...
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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:51 pm

So whats the chances of this actually being true atm? 30%?

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:00 pm

hard to say, EC thinks it's true, AS is following that paper in Brazil, It seems like Diez was really in brazil this weekend, Balague confirmed it was true, the guys from Punta Pelota reported about our people going to Brazil before the weekend... it's fair to say that we are trying
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Post by estrella bernabeu on Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:22 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
you complained about us spending a lot on him, and i tell you we will absorb that value very quickly thanks to his marketability.

you said 6M is too much for him in wages, and i explained that at RM, players earns what they are worth + bonus, because they give up half their image rights when they sign for us. Ozil for example is really worth say 3M, but we pay him 3M + 2M, because we make money off his back. So in the same way, Neymar who for ex would be worth 3M, will earn 3M + 3M, because of his marketability. All players understand the way it works.

you complained about a 19yo earning too much money, and im informing you that he already earns well above 5M with Santos, and money isnt something new for him. He leaves with his Dad, who gives him a small allowance from his wages, so that he gets used to managed small amounts.


ur point is clear !! but there is something wrong in this transfer.
Have a feeling that Neymar will not be as much brilliant as we pretend !! Hope he will give the lie to me silent

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