Re: Official WOB thread.

[Raptorgunner]

[MJ]

This has been building up since deadline day passed without a DM/CB.

I always said give him a few transfer windows with the funds he's built up and then judge and he didn't get it done if we're being frank.

Any reaction after the Man United game was bound to be emotional and therefore closer to a kneejerk than anything but I don't think opinions changed sharply after the game.

We're aware that he set the team up well and it was down to chances not being taken, something beyond his control. But the position we're in is entirely on him, motivating the players is still on him.

I find these 'brigades' silly. There's nothing I want more than for Arsene to turn it around and be at the helm of it all for more success but it's looking less and less likely that that'll happen without serious change. Change that I don't know he's capable of.

[Hapless_Hans]

yes of course I understand that built up steam is blown off after the game, however you know as well as I do that failing to get a DM/CB was not a problem at all yesterday. In fact, Arteta was pretty good.

The players were motivated too, even overmotivated if you look at Wilshere, or the situation before the 0:2.
You completely dominated Utd all game.
Your problem is you lack quality in precision at the end, in front of goal.
You're missing Özil, Welbeck isn't top class, and the Ox's and Wilshere's end product isn't top class. That's about it, why this game wasn't won. That and a lot of bad luck. Cazorla and Alexis had good chances too.

I know the general complaints you have and I understand, but contrary to other games this season yesterday you actually played very well.

[izzy]

All this talk about signing a strong CM/DM..........

Yet you guys fail to realize that Wenger believes you already have one......................

[urbaNRoots]

I don't get why you'd want Wenger out so much more forcefully after the Utd match compared to before.
Sorry, doesn't make sense at all, Arsenal were set up just fine in the match, had something like 70% possession, truckloads of chances and probably 10+:1 shots on target.
Own goal was a freak bad luck thing with a foul by Fellaini involved.
Second goal a counter when all your teams fighting for an equalizer.

Fail to see what Wenger has done wrong in this game that make you jump on him now.
I can only understand it as an expression of a long term frustration which is vented after such a game, when a win against Utd seemed to close and doable.
This is however the definition of 'kneejerk'.

If you still don't understand our frustrations then you haven't paid attention, or you haven't read any of the posts here. If you cared to read the posts in this thread you would've noticed that barely anyone is talking about Man Utd, that game is just another failure in a big match, in the same manner as usual.

Arsenal fans have grown tired of getting humiliated by every semi-big team, failing to make up for it against weaker teams while playing embarrassing one dimensional football, so we're allowed to rant about the shit that has been happening for YEARS without having people patronize us with words like "kneejerk".

[Hapless_Hans]

I just said that I understand the general frustrations.

Still I'd say that it is interesting you'd classify that game as 'humiliating'.
It's only humiliating because Utd were there for the taking and clearly inferior.

It's not a failure to win 'big games', that wasn't a top game lol, it's also not a problem of 'heart', or 'grit' or 'motivation' as commentators harp about.

I think your player are rather overmotivated and have to big a heart, thats why they start hoofing the ball forward brainlessly when they've still got 4 minutes.
I think they don't lack motivation, but a bit of brain (footballwise) and quality.

Anyway that was probably the best game you've played all season, yet that's the game which spawns the WOB thread, that's what I find curious.
You should have understood by now that Utd games are apparently jinxed, no matter how well you do lol.
Unless you're mad Wenger didn't go see a gypsy woman in preparation, to do something about the jinx, I'm not sure what he did wrong in this game.

[urbaNRoots]

Best performance of the season a 1-2 loss at home but we shouldn't complain because we had the possessio and empty shots

Stop trolling, if you don't have anything negative to say about Wenger then get out of this thread.

[Raptorgunner]

I guess losing 2-1 at home to worst United team is a great result for Wenger.

Mourinho is right when he says it is easy when you have no pressure
to win the title.

[MJ]

No, tbh, we did play great football bar our end product for most of the game. We've struggled to play that kind of football for more than 1-2 minutes per match but we held it up for a while.

It was only when we conceded that brainfart of a moment with Gibbs and Szczesny that our play started to look panicky and United got those lethal counter attacks.

Add the fact that we haven't beaten United in three years and that this was our best shot at doing so and you have the perfect storm for WOB threads.

[Hapless_Hans]

I'm not trolling. You guys are so locked on the usual same old well known grievances that now you have confirmation bias with everything that happens.

[Hapless_Hans]

I guess losing 2-1 at home to worst United team is a great result for Wenger.

Mourinho is right when he says it is easy when you have no pressure
to win the title.

quoting Mourinhos bullshit against Wenger must be a punishable offense for an Arsenal fan tbh

[chad4401]

wonder whats wenger's pep talk like, before a lot of these games....

[Chumlum]

Wenger is a legend, a great manager, and I'm confident history will vindicate him overall ... in the end.

But I do wonder if part of why he struggles these days is that he doesn't quite know how to relate to players in a way that will energize them effectively to perform to their best. I think players know & respect him immensely, and some of them genuinely try very hard to do their best for him. That's obvious. But I think that there are these tiny little ways in which individual motivation & team cohesion might have changed, because of the way newer generation(s) of footballers have come up, that subtly prevent Wenger from being as effective as you, me, he, and his own squad & staff probably think he should be.

Just a bit of speculation, nothing more.

Even SAF, a truly singular figure with once-in-a-lifetime talents, talked near the end of his career about how he didn't understand footballers today.

[Raptorgunner]

Usmanov "My opinion - and I tell it openly - we need to strengthen every position to play on the level of such teams in (the) U.K. as Chelsea and Manchester City, in Europe like Real (Madrid), Barcelona, Paris Saint-Germain, (Bayern Munich) and other clubs," he told CNBC in an interview.

"Arsenal is a dream that sometimes becomes a mirage and sometimes a pain as every dream," Uzbek-born Usmanov said.

"(The) potential of the team is there, but there is no critical evaluation of mistakes and they need to need to acknowledge them. Because no genius can retain the same level of genius if they do not acknowledge mistakes. It's only when you admit your mistakes that you can get rid of them."
"He is one of the greatest coaches, not just of European, but of world football. But we have a Russian proverb which goes: "Even an old lady can have a roof falling on her," he said.

"Everybody makes mistakes. He can make mistakes and I know as you age it is more difficult, more challenging to accept one's mistakes," Usmanov said.

"Does (Wenger) have money or not? There is officially money in the club," Usmanov said.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102211548

[El Gunner]

Usmanov sees the light.
Would be good if Sir Chips and Stan also had these views.

[Raptorgunner]

Usmanov sees the light.
Would be good if Sir Chips and Stan also had these views.

If they did, Wenger would have been winning trophies not a sad loser who collects big paychecks to be stubborn.

[El Gunner]

Usmanov sees the light.
Would be good if Sir Chips and Stan also had these views.

If they did, Wenger would have been winning trophies not a sad loser who collects big paychecks to be stubborn.

What happened to his player mismanagement and tactical incompetence.

[Raptorgunner]

Usmanov sees the light.
Would be good if Sir Chips and Stan also had these views.

If they did, Wenger would have been winning trophies not a sad loser who collects big paychecks to be stubborn.

What happened to his player mismanagement and tactical incompetence.

If Wenger was under any pressure to win, he would change his tactics and adopt. Everyone at Arsenal kisses his old ass for making them rich and dont know shit about football.

The worst thing is, every time we concede a stupid goal or lose a game, Wenger seems always surprised. We have the most clueless manager in the EPL.

[Sri]

It's awesome how this guys comes out from under his rock when ever things are not going well. And people actually feed off his hands like pigeons. I can't even bring myself to laugh at this any more.

[Jay29]

I'd be a lot more willing to agree with Usmanov if he, like Sri said, didn't come out of hiding whenever we're going through bad times.

[izzy]

Are things EVER going well?

The expectations this club (including the fans) have allowed this club to fall to is laughable.

[MJ]

Are things EVER going well?

The expectations this club (including the fans) have allowed this club to fall to is laughable.

Erm, well he'd look a lot less sneaky if he didn't come out with some grand statement about the desperate affairs of the club everytime we suffered a big loss.

[El Gunner]

Are things EVER going well?

The expectations this club (including the fans) have allowed this club to fall to is laughable.

Well, first things must go bad and then somehow Wenger turns things around, then finally things go decent for a while

[izzy]

Erm, well he'd look a lot less sneaky if he didn't come out with some grand statement about the desperate affairs of the club everytime we suffered a big loss.

It's a power play.

Well, first things must go bad and then somehow Wenger turns things around, then finally things go decent for a while

Decent?
Who are you guys? Arsenal or Spurs?

[El Gunner]

Erm, well he'd look a lot less sneaky if he didn't come out with some grand statement about the desperate affairs of the club everytime we suffered a big loss.

It's a power play.

Well, first things must go bad and then somehow Wenger turns things around, then finally things go decent for a while

Decent?
Who are you guys? Arsenal or Spurs?

Unfortunately, that's just how far we've fallen these last 6-8 years.

[izzy]

Unfortunately, that's just how far we've fallen these last 6-8 years.

That's unacceptable.

I'm gonna dig through some of the pre-season posts here and see how many of you actually believed you would compete this year.
You were right to have those expectations and now you guys are settling for 4th.... AGAIN.

It's ridiculous what has happened to this club.

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