Re: The Bundesliga Thread

[VivaStPauli]

Also destroyed the best team in England, won the Bundesliga faster than anyone else in history, and played the best football on the planet until around April.

But yes, by all means, lets sack him because the 6 most important players in his squad are all injured.

Best football on the planet? They're objectively less flexible than they were before Pep came, how is what they play now better football than they did before?

And stop harping on about the injuries - I'm aware they were not at their 100%, but if you can't be arsed to win against Porto because your wingers are Götze and Müller, you're not trying. Mofos just won the World Cup.

[VivaStPauli]

Agreed. He's made Bayern so much worse. Ripping the soul right out of the club. So strange that so few can see it.

Many people see it, but few dare to voice it, or they will be called "xenophobes" again

I guess Jupp would have done better right ? Anyways Pep was the best option to replace him, someone else would have been worse except Klopp. And btw Pep is not out of the CL yet, i'm sure Bayern will go through if they have all their players back. Not that I wish that tho

Jupp probably would've done better. And his retirement was announced by KHR and Hoeness before he himself knew of it. Bayern shot themselves in the foot, and now it's cost them their medical team.
They lost Kroos, the only obvious replacement for Schweinsteiger/Lahm in the center over the next two to three seasons, sent out Mandzukic, who is brilliant, and keep trying to integrate mediocre flair players like Bernat and Thiago, who aren't bad, but also don't offer anything the team needs.

It's like watching a plane crash in slow motion.

[Footyfan]

Also destroyed the best team in England, won the Bundesliga faster than anyone else in history, and played the best football on the planet until around April.

But yes, by all means, lets sack him because the 6 most important players in his squad are all injured.

Best football on the planet? They're objectively less flexible than they were before Pep came, how is what they play now better football than they did before?

And stop harping on about the injuries - I'm aware they were not at their 100%, but if you can't be arsed to win against Porto because your wingers are Götze and Müller, you're not trying. Mofos just won the World Cup.

Are you serious about the less flexible approach. Jupp was a poor coach tactically. He had no Plan B, he had 0 Flexibility. Pep is the most tactically diverse and flexible manager I have seen. However I am not a fan of over-experimenting.

I also think we played better football, The whole team is full of better footballer, faster ball circulation, more creative in the centre and we don't have to resort to stone age tactics against top teams like Barca, to sit and wait for the counter.

I think Pep is a big time dou*hebag though. Huge hypocrite, pretends to be nice. Don't like his way of handling players pretending to be nice and leading to their exit. From Gus to Mandzu to HMW, the doctor now. I think Ibra to an extent was right, Pep is a hypocrite. I also don't like obstinacy, over experimentation

[VivaStPauli]

Stone-age tactics won the treble, fancy ball circulation got you trashed by Real, and now 75% knocked out against Porto, if you want to call that progress, you go ahead.

[Footyfan]

Stone-age tactics won the treble, fancy ball circulation got you trashed by Real, and now 75% knocked out against Porto, if you want to call that progress, you go ahead.

I don't think we won the tactics with treble. I think whoever would have been coach, we would have won. The strength of the team, the grief from the loss the year before, won us the treble. I feel the team self-coached themselves to a large extent. We were also against quite weak teams, so probably we may have lost against this Real Madrid with Jupp too. P.S. - We conceded 2 Set Pieces & goals out of Neuer Blunder against Real so we cant blame everything against Pep

These things are difficult to say, we may never have won the CHL without Robben or Javi, I think. The Porto defeat is not a fair comparison as this team does not have 5-6 core top players.

[VivaStPauli]

It has replaced those top players with other top players, though, and Porto is not an elite team.

And if Neuer makes a mistake, I blame Neuer. If Dante makes a mistake, I blame Dante.

If Dante, Neuer, Boateng, Bernat and Rafinha make mistakes in the same match, I blame the coach, because I don't believe in that much coincidence.

[Hapless_Hans]

Many people see it, but few dare to voice it, or they will be called "xenophobes" again

I guess Jupp would have done better right ? Anyways Pep was the best option to replace him, someone else would have been worse except Klopp. And btw Pep is not out of the CL yet, i'm sure Bayern will go through if they have all their players back. Not that I wish that tho

Jupp probably would've done better. And his retirement was announced by KHR and Hoeness before he himself knew of it. Bayern shot themselves in the foot, and now it's cost them their medical team.
They lost Kroos, the only obvious replacement for Schweinsteiger/Lahm in the center over the next two to three seasons, sent out Mandzukic, who is brilliant, and keep trying to integrate mediocre flair players like Bernat and Thiago, who aren't bad, but also don't offer anything the team needs.

It's like watching a plane crash in slow motion.

You're seriously intent on being the most moronic poster on here because of your resentment?
The stuff you write about Bayern is really, really stupid, as it ruthlessly bends and cherrypicks the facts toward your ridiculous bias.
Get a grip ffs. I'm serious.

[Kaladin]

Borussia Dortmund, Klopp's successor chosen: it is official

Link

[Robespierre]

Thomas Tuchel is the new Borussia Dortmund manager.

[BAYERN_MUNICH]

Best choice for them.

[rwo power]

It's very good that this is finalised so early. That means Tuchel can already talk with Watzke and Zorc how he wants to set up the BVB in the future and they can look for the fitting signings.

[Hapless_Hans]

Ein Sahnestück

[Kick]

Good luck to Tuchel. I hope he can continue on Klopp's work.

[Arquitecto]

It is true there is an obvious bit of 'xenophobism' from German posters towards Bundesliga in the history of this forum. Yet why am I not surprised Pep is being chided for stupid reasons despite shutting his critics up twice and over and over and over.

Osram is a brilliant coach and is a legend for our city back in Bilbao yet please don't compare him to Guardiola who has proven he is a far superior tactician. You compare Pep to the best coaches of all time, Jupp doesn't last in that regard for many reasons despite my love for him.

I don't understand half and half of the criticism for Bayern as why do non-supporters hold the club as their own considering they don't support the club? They are hated by some when convenient and loved when convenient. I understand Bundesliga fans here in general support all German clubs yet half the Bayern criticism is unwarranted and quite frankly absurd.

As for above, Mandzu is decent yet nowhere near Lewandowski while calling Thiago average is rather ridiculous. Bernat I agree.

Pep for many reasons will be continued to be a polarizing figure here and for many absurd reasons so reading what I see here does not surprise me.

I watch Bayern regularly and despite the glitches and hurdles, they are building something even more fantastic then what they are and deserve all our respect.

[rwo power]

So Martin Kind sacked Tayfun Korkut after all. I just wonder who will take over now. Kind himself? I bet he would love to...

[rwo power]

Borussia M'gladbach posted a record win of 12.75 mio Euros after taxes (21.32 mio Euros before taxes) in the business year 2014. Their turnover was 130 mio Euros in 2014, quite an increase after 2013 when their turnover was 91 mio Euros.

http://www.borussia.de/de/aktuelles-termine/news/borussia-news/news-detailansicht.html?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=13577&cHash=6593bf534131387f7a54a97d598003ca

[Footyfan]

It is true there is an obvious bit of 'xenophobism' from German posters towards Bundesliga in the history of this forum. Yet why am I not surprised Pep is being chided for stupid reasons despite shutting his critics up twice and over and over and over.

Osram is a brilliant coach and is a legend for our city back in Bilbao yet please don't compare him to Guardiola who has proven he is a far superior tactician. You compare Pep to the best coaches of all time, Jupp doesn't last in that regard for many reasons despite my love for him.

I don't understand half and half of the criticism for Bayern as why do non-supporters hold the club as their own considering they don't support the club? They are hated by some when convenient and loved when convenient. I understand Bundesliga fans here in general support all German clubs yet half the Bayern criticism is unwarranted and quite frankly absurd.

As for above, Mandzu is decent yet nowhere near Lewandowski while calling Thiago average is rather ridiculous. Bernat I agree.

Pep for many reasons will be continued to be a polarizing figure here and for many absurd reasons so reading what I see here does not surprise me.

I watch Bayern regularly and despite the glitches and hurdles, they are building something even more fantastic then what they are and deserve all our respect.

Thiago is the Messi of Midfielders skill wise. I generally don't agree with on most issues, but undoubtedly you are right. This guy is insane skilled. 1st Touch, vision, dribbling ability, creativity is off the charts for a CM. You don't get CM's with this amount of skill. You get CAM's & Wingers at best. I have never seen a CM with this level of skill. He is a joy to watch and makes me love football all the more. Having said that I hated him @ DM when it was initially tried by Pep, he is not that good defensively. He is a CM/CAM type player and is doing what we thought Goetze would at Central Midfield.

His injury prone-ness is a definite issue but I love him a player. Lewa brings fantastic link-up play, vision, ability to shield the ball and is good aerially. Much better fit that Mandzu. His finishing is nowhere near elite ST's like Suarez or Aguero who have good technical skills.

Bayern lacks magical Players upfront like Robbery. Hopefully next year we will bring a couple of attackers for competition. We also need competition for Alonso and Schweni who are a bit too slow and uncreative now. Problem is Thiago's injury-prone-ness.

Benatia over Dante is a huge upgrade as is Bernat over Contento. This is a solid team and with 1 creative CM, 2 fast technically skilled attackers under the guidance of Pep, we should be doing great.

I think Pep is a huge hypocrite, pretends to be nice, is insanely stubborn with ridiculous over-experimenting like Lahm @ CM but there is no doubt he is a brilliant tactician. Jupp was never in that tier tactically. Even haters should admit this man is a great coach

[Hapless_Hans]

^ agree


Another thing

why in the world would you give Michael Frontzeck a Bundesliga coaching job. WHY?

[rwo power]

why in the world would you give Michael Frontzeck a Bundesliga coaching job. WHY?

Because Kind already resigned that Hannover will be relegated, so he decided to give Michael Frontzeck the chance to lead the next club down into the 2. Liga. Once they are down, he will sign Peter Neururer, I bet

[Hapless_Hans]

Seeing how we did pride ourselves of having that great medical department and wonder doc, this is pretty noteworthy.

Moreover, the whole Bundesliga's record looks terrible compared to other leagues.
And here we are thinking the winter break is good for us, maybe it isn't?

[BarrileteCosmico]

Did PSG really have not a single injury in 2010/11? I find that highlly suspicious...

[rwo power]

Seeing how we did pride ourselves of having that great medical department and wonder doc, this is pretty noteworthy.

The table doesn't discern between injuries that are more of less accidents and stuff that might be caused by wrong treatment or wrong training, though. Moreover, sone injuries like ACL ruptures take longer than others (light knocks or stuff) - and if one team has more ACL injuries this would increase the number of days out, too.

Moreover, the whole Bundesliga's record looks terrible compared to other leagues.
And here we are thinking the winter break is good for us, maybe it isn't?

Again one would need to have the data sorted into accidental injuries and stress injuries that derive from players being too tired. Are there maybe more tackles in the BL or do the coaches demand more from the players? How many kilometres do the BL players run compared to those from other leagues etc? (No time to look up the data if available atm)

[Hapless_Hans]

Of course.

This is not clear cut.

What's clear cut though is how prominent BuLi clubs feature.

[rwo power]

Yeah, and that's why it would be really interesting to check what kinds of injuries are suffered in which league and by what they are caused.

[Hapless_Hans]

that would take a LOT of effort. Data is from transfermarkt though, so it's available.

[Tomwin Lannister]

Robben probably makes up most of Bayerns and hell even the BuLi's stats

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