Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club II

[Harmonica]

Messi played good. he had one bad game and it was against Chile

messi in copa 2015

He was selected MVP, there's nothing more a player can do, than to be the best player of tournament. Game against Chile wasn't bad, he created the best chance of the game and scored the most important penalty in SO.

Against Chile he was walking and made me angry sometimes. I mean even his fanboys became upset. But probably he was very tired.long season and again he had to play games every 3 day

Walking has nothing to do with quality, Messi was Argentina's best player by clear margin in the final. http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/971932/LiveStatistics/International-Copa-America-2015-Chile-Argentina

[izzy]

Scoring a one on one goal against Neuer like he does week in week in week out at Barcelona is not too much too ask. I agree though that he is no Maradona so people can't expect him to carry the NT when he doesn't have the ball all the time.

True. He needs all the help he can get....... so then he can get 100% of the credit.

[Myesyats]

I agree, the question should be why does Messi continually flop for Argentina?

Messi didn't flop at CA. He set up an open net for Higgy in the 90th min at 0-0 and perfectly executed his penal in the penalty shoot out. I feel like there's being asked too much of Messi.

Scoring a one on one goal against Neuer like he does week in week in week out at Barcelona is not too much too ask. I agree though that he is no Maradona so people can't expect him to carry the NT when he doesn't have the ball all the time.

jibers pls get a life and forget about Messi

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Scoring a one on one goal against Neuer like he does week in week in week out at Barcelona is not too much too ask. I agree though that he is no Maradona so people can't expect him to carry the NT when he doesn't have the ball all the time.

True. He needs all the help he can get....... so then he can get 100% of the credit.

Lebronception.

[izzy]

Lebronception.

No..... LeBron actually gets called out for playing poorly and is STILL criticized to this day for his past performances.

This with Messi........ it's outrageous.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Tbf Messi does gets criticized by everyone but his fans lol.

[izzy]

Tbf Messi does gets criticized by everyone but his fans lol.

Try telling that to Higuain.

[Gil]

How is playing poorly in the biggest game of your life not flopping?

[ahmad25]

He was selected MVP, there's nothing more a player can do, than to be the best player of tournament. Game against Chile wasn't bad, he created the best chance of the game and scored the most important penalty in SO.

Against Chile he was walking and made me angry sometimes. I mean even his fanboys became upset. But probably he was very tired.long season and again he had to play games every 3 day

Walking has nothing to do with quality, Messi was Argentina's best player by clear margin in the final. http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/971932/LiveStatistics/International-Copa-America-2015-Chile-Argentina

We talk about "Messi standard" here. Being team's best player is not enough

comparison with maradona is not fair. Messi is the ultimate club player who plays 60 games then without rest has to play NT tournament.
For comparison Maradona played 30 club games before WC 86. Messi played 60 games before Copa America 2015. how can he be ready for national team?

[Harmonica]

Against Chile he was walking and made me angry sometimes. I mean even his fanboys became upset. But probably he was very tired.long season and again he had to play games every 3 day

Walking has nothing to do with quality, Messi was Argentina's best player by clear margin in the final. http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/971932/LiveStatistics/International-Copa-America-2015-Chile-Argentina

We talk about "Messi standard" here. Being team's best player is not enough

comparison with maradona is not fair. Messi is the ultimate club player who plays 60 games then without rest has to play NT tournament.
For comparison Maradona played 30 club games before WC 86. Messi played 60 games before Copa America 2015. how can he be ready for national team?

There's no reason to talk about "Messi"-standard, because no other player in history were judged by it.

[Myesyats]

How is creating a bunch of chances for you mates who miss them your fault? Messi is marked by 2-3 players all the time, he needs the help of his teammates (Neymar and Suarez can provide that) but with donkeys like Di Maria and Higuain he's all alone.

It's not Messi's fault that Higuain executed his penalty like an idiot running with eyes closed and hitting as hard as he could.

Was Maradona marked as tight as Messi is these days? I don't think so.

[Harmonica]

Was Maradona marked as tight as Messi is these days? I don't think so.

Here's how marked Maradona was

WC86 SF vs Belgium



Start of the attack, 5th lowest Belgian player is actually walking towards Argentine goal rather than running back to defend, Maradona jogs from midfield to edge of the box, and full 10 seconds goes bye from from the start of attack to when he gets the ball and passes it to goal scoring situation. Yet there is still only 4 Belgian players in the picture. Nobody even remotely interested in marking Maradona. You'll not see this in modern game, never mind in the WC-semifinal.

[ahmad25]

Its scary jibers being silent.probably he is preparing for a big counter attack

[izzy]

Just to be clear, we all know this "ahmad25" guy is "billionmillion" right?

[ahmad25]

So? You must be a CR fanboy? Its third CR fanboy that calls me millionbillion. I didnt attack CR yet so calm down and dont feel threatened

[izzy]

Whatever you say billionmillion.

[Harmonica]

Its scary jibers being silent.probably he is preparing for a big counter attack

It's like Polish cavalry brigade trying to muster something against Zee Germans.

About marking 





I still don't believe that actually happened.

[Art Morte]

Was Maradona marked as tight as Messi is these days? I don't think so.

Here's how marked Maradona was

WC86 SF vs Belgium



Start of the attack, 5th lowest Belgian player is actually walking towards Argentine goal rather than running back to defend, Maradona jogs from midfield to edge of the box, and full 10 seconds goes bye from from the start of attack to when he gets the ball and passes it to goal scoring situation. Yet there is still only 4 Belgian players in the picture. Nobody even remotely interested in marking Maradona. You'll not see this in modern game, never mind in the WC-semifinal.

I find this a fascinating reflection, actually. The "marking" really is non-existent.

[Rebaño Sagrado]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2015/07/15/13602072/liga-defenders-more-interested-in-selfies-with-messi-than

Liga defenders more interested in selfies with Messi than stopping him – Godin

[Myesyats]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2015/07/15/13602072/liga-defenders-more-interested-in-selfies-with-messi-than

Liga defenders more interested in selfies with Messi than stopping him – Godin

What the hell is this bunch of crap lmao. Godin is a cu*t and just butthurt Messi rolled over him and won the Liga on Calderon

Pinto da Costa (president Porto): "Ronaldo or Messi? As a Portuguese, I say: Ronaldo is the best in the world, Messi is from another planet"

Pinto da Costa: "It makes me sad when POR coach doesn't include Messi in his top 3. It's absurd. Patriotism can't make us lose reason" [elp]

[Harmonica]

Career assists for national team in official games

40, Messi @28 for Argentina (source)
31, Maradona for Argentina (source)
30, Pele for Brazil (source)



Out before Jibers - "How many World Cup's does Thiago and Peilei's sister have."

[Cruijf]

I'm pretty sure jibers is trolling lol, only one who seriously thinks Maradona is better than Messi is DuringTheWar.

[DuringTheWar]

Was Maradona marked as tight as Messi is these days? I don't think so.

Here's how marked Maradona was

WC86 SF vs Belgium



Start of the attack, 5th lowest Belgian player is actually walking towards Argentine goal rather than running back to defend, Maradona jogs from midfield to edge of the box, and full 10 seconds goes bye from from the start of attack to when he gets the ball and passes it to goal scoring situation. Yet there is still only 4 Belgian players in the picture. Nobody even remotely interested in marking Maradona. You'll not see this in modern game, never mind in the WC-semifinal.

I find this a fascinating reflection, actually. The "marking" really is non-existent.

Agree, completely non existent

[Harmonica]

Messi @28 vs Pele, Maradona, Di Stefano and Cruyff careers.

Messi - Pele

28 Age Career
11 Seasons 21
04-15 Years 57-77

Team accolades Club

4 UCL/Copa Libertadores 2
7 National League 7
3 National Cup 0
10 Minor 19
24 Total 28

Team accolades NT

Runner-up World Cup 3 Champions
2 Runner-ups Copa America Runner-up
Gold Olympics -
Champions WCu20

Individual accolades

4 Ballon d'Or (Not Eligible)
1 World Cup Golden Ball 1
1 Copa America MVP 1
5 UCL/Copa Libertadores Top Scorer 1
3 National League Top Scorer 3

Statistics

469 - Goals - 784
227 - Assists - ?

Messi - Maradona

28 Age Career
11 Seasons 20
04-15 Years 76-98

Team accolades Club

4 UCL/European Cup 0
7 National League 3
3 National Cup 2
10 Minor 4
24 Total 9

Team accolades NT

Runner-up World Cup Champions/Runner-up
2x Runner-up Copa America 3rd
Gold Olympics
Champions WCu20 Champions

Individual accolades

4 Ballon d'Or (Not Eligible)
1 World Cup Golden Ball 1
1 Copa America MVP 0
3 European Golden Shoe 0
5 UCL/European Cup Top Scorer 0
3 National League Top Scorer 5

Statistics

469 Goals 346
227 Assists ?

Messi - Di Stefano

28 Age Career
11 Seasons 21
04-15 Years 45-66

Team accolades Club

4 UCL/European Cup 5
7 National League 13
3 National Cup 2
10 Minor Cup 2
24 Total 22

Team accolades NT

Runner-up World Cup
2x Runner-up Copa America Champions
Gold Olympics -
Champions WCu20

Individual accolades

4 Ballon d'Or 2
1 World Cup Golden Ball 0
1 Copa America MVP/ Euro Best Player 0
5 UCL/European Cup Top Scorer 2
3 National League Top Scorer 8

Statistics

469 Goals 507
227 Assists ?

Messi - Cruyff

28 Age Career
11 Seasons 20
04-15 Years 64-84

Team accolades Club

4 UCL/European Cup 3
7 National League 10
3 National Cup 7
10 Minor Cup 3
24 Total 23

Team accolades NT

Runner-up World Cup Runner-up
2x Runner-up Copa America/Euro 3rd
Gold Olympics -
Champions WCu20

Individual accolades

4 Ballon d'Or 3
1 World Cup Golden Ball 1
1 Copa America MVP/ Euro Best Player
3 European Golden Shoe 1
5 UCL/European Cup Top Scorer 0
3 National League Top Scorer 2

Statistics

469 Goals 407
227 Assists ?

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[Harmonica]

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