GAME OF THRONES - PART 5 - *NO BOOK TALK - READ THE RULES*

El Shaarawy wrote:Read Malazan m8

Don't call me James wrote:

El Shaarawy wrote:Read Malazan m8

Have bought all 10 books Just gotta finish ADWD first though.

Freeza wrote:

RealGunner wrote:Done with the show

That last scene was it.

They have ruined the whole show. Disgusting twats.

Unless Ramsay gets a death he really deserves this season. I am not coming back to it.

Worst season to date.

How did that ruin anything?

BarrileteCosmico wrote:We've been following Sansa as a character for 5 seasons now, and I think she is technically a regular rather than a guest actress which makes her "lead".

From a medieval morals perspective I doubt anyone would have considered it rape at the time considering it was husband and wife.

urbaNRoots wrote:Nah Glory man, I really have to disagree with you on that. Iwan Rheon in his role is fantastic, just look at his face when Sansa says yes on marrying him - you can see in his face with no dialogue at all that he's planning something really nasty with Sansa.

And most viewers I know love to hate Ramsay, for all his evilness: he's clever (unlike Joffrey), he's not a coward (unlike Joffrey) but can also throw some funny lines (like Joffrey). He's like what Joffrey would probably turn out to be if he wasn't poisoned at an early age.

Btw welcome to this thread Glory, you are replacing RG as it seems (although I'm sure he'll be back next week )

Freeza wrote:When you kill the interesting characters it will eventually catch up to you.
Never cared for Arya, Sansa, Sam, Greyworm... Meanwhile Khal Drogo, Ned, crippled Jaime, Oberyn, Barristan, Robb, Tywin all get rekt and we're left with fodder.
Female fans should stfu about this show. This show makes up for all bad female characters in history...

RealGunner wrote:I said it in the books thread that if they do a cersei-jamie with sansa-ramsay then I am done. And I am sticking to it.

3rd unwarranted rape scene. Someone must question the writers. It's not even a shock value anymore because everyone saw this coming.

It's not even about feminism. My problem is how they have butchered every character and arc by trying to force their way and divert the show when it wasn't needed.

The first 3 seasons were one of the greatest in TV history. But since then, it's been on a steady decline.

Which arcs/characters do people honestly enjoy anymore? Jon's?

Not many of the responses to last night's episode have considered the ramifications of D&D's choices regarding Sansa's character arc. And I don't mean just with regards to the last scene; I mean the whole season.

1. Sansa and Ramsay consummating their marriage was inevitable, unless it happened a lot later in the season, and Sansa and Theon escaped before anything transpired. Therefore, D&D consciously chose this ending when they decided to write Sansa into the Northern storyline. Furthermore, in a recent interview they claim to have done so because they wanted to feature more of Sophie Turner's excellent acting. Eesh. Instead of marital rape, they could have written that Sansa seduces Ramsay, in the same way Littlefinger instructed her to do to Harry/Ramsay in the book/show. She could have ordered Theon to leave, testing her power and somewhat diffusing the situation. They could have shown Sansa to be silent and resolved during the scene, rather than fearful and crying. Let me be clear, my complaint here isn't about how Sansa acted, because Sansa is a fictional character; it's about how D&D chose to write her reaction to the event.

2. Sansa's character arc is likely being sacrificed for Theon's development. It's clear many people empathized more strongly with Theon in the scene than with Sansa. Likely, Theon will be the one to rescue Sansa. This means Sansa's abuse was introduced into the story so that Theon could have a vehicle for improvement and redemption. It's true that the rape scene is much more traumatic for both parties involved. However, Sansa's character development is not affected by the book's plot in Winterfell. A similar thing happened in their adaptation of the Faith Militant, where the writers felt it necessary to attack Loras for his sexuality in order to characterize the faith as moral hardliners. This could have been accomplished without sacrificing Loras.

3. Sansa lacks agency in the show's storyline. In the show, Sansa has been abandoned by Littlefinger, handed over to the enemy and, since Joffrey and the Mountain are "dead," probably the most sadistic person in Westeros. While she had the gumption to tell Myranda off, that could backfire on her as well. Ramsay clearly holds power over her and Theon/Reek. We don't know how the rest of the season will play out, but it is likely she will continue to be the victim, the damsel in distress, a vehicle for Theon's redemption or Brienne's oathkeeping-complex. She doesn't need to marry the Boltons to reclaim Winterfell, because the Boltons are usurpers, traitors. With her brothers gone, Sansa is the rightful heir to the North.

So, this is about way more than rape. Sure, Sansa can emerge from this event stronger. GRRM has defended his inclusion of sexual violence as a reality of the world they inhabit. However, GRRM does not use sexual abuse as the only source of trauma and growth for female characters. And, GRRM appears to be writing a different path for Sansa, one with more agency and less trauma. I guess we could always be surprised, but if Sansa flirting with Harry is considered "controversial," then I'm betting not.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:High sparrow doesn't interest me at all
Generic bread & butter standard old religious guy.

El Messico wrote:I don't understand what growth there was for Sansa personality-wise (being a bad-ass, really??). Besides gaining the courage to smack an impudent kid in the face...

El Shaarawy wrote:Look at the girl on the right

Jonathan28 wrote:

Dorne was a mistake, it's nothing but trash.

El Messico wrote:I don't understand what growth there was for Sansa personality-wise (being a bad-ass, really??). Besides gaining the courage to smack an impudent kid in the face...