Transfer Rumours V6

Barcelona and Atletico have deal on transfer of Arda Turan (28). Transfer fee less than 41M buyout. Not yet clear when he'll join. [sport]

The deal on the transfer of Atletico midfielder Arda Turan (28) is being finalized. Official announcement to follow in coming hours. [md]

Don't agree he would create space around him that Neymar can't.

He may look like he can, but Neymar just being there because teams are scared of his pace gives space to Messi and Suarez. You can't double up on any of them because if you do you leave one of them open.

Plus it's been proven many times that Barca's 433 doesn't work very well when one of the forwards is a midfielder masquerading as a forward.

Fußball wrote:Barcelona and Atletico have deal on transfer of Arda Turan (28). Transfer fee less than 41M buyout. Not yet clear when he'll join. [sport]

The deal on the transfer of Atletico midfielder Arda Turan (28) is being finalized. Official announcement to follow in coming hours. [md]

wtf smh :/

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Don't agree he would create space around him that Neymar can't.

He may look like he can, but Neymar just being there because teams are scared of his pace gives space to Messi and Suarez. You can't double up on any of them because if you do you leave one of them open.

Plus it's been proven many times that Barca's 433 doesn't work very well when one of the forwards is a midfielder masquerading as a forward.

Neymar's pace is only really a factor when the opp. teams are caught high up the pitch. Arda's more decisive in confined spaces, however. THAT and his combination play would aid messi more against low block defences.

That's not true though, it's also a factor because opposition teams are so frightened by it that they try to limit his space thus opening up space for others.

You can open space in more ways than just what you do with the ball, what you do without it can create space too which is why the front 3 were so unstoppable. Each one commanded attention which created space for others.

Arda isn't capable of scaring the opposition like that and thus easier to defend because they know he's not as much of an individual threat allowing you to double up more on Messi and Suarez.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Don't agree he would create space around him that Neymar can't.

He may look like he can, but Neymar just being there because teams are scared of his pace gives space to Messi and Suarez. You can't double up on any of them because if you do you leave one of them open.

Plus it's been proven many times that Barca's 433 doesn't work very well when one of the forwards is a midfielder masquerading as a forward.

Pretty much this. All of MSN have unique roles and Arda can't assume any of them accordingly. If Neymar gets injured and Arda is to come in as a replacement the entire Messi-Neymar dynamic will be gone. Arda is so different to Neymar and doesn't really excell with off the ball movements to receive Messi's passes. We'll be back to the "Iniesta on the left" kind of dynamics where Arda will always drop to come looking for the ball which is awful. If Suarez gets injured Arda will obviously be useless. Messi would have to play as a false 9 and that too will break up the current dynamics completely where the team is playing off of Suarez. And if Messi gets injured we're screwed anyway. While Arda might be a better player than Pedro individually he's about as useless to soften a possible MSN injury blow.

À bout de souffle wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Don't agree he would create space around him that Neymar can't.

He may look like he can, but Neymar just being there because teams are scared of his pace gives space to Messi and Suarez. You can't double up on any of them because if you do you leave one of them open.

Plus it's been proven many times that Barca's 433 doesn't work very well when one of the forwards is a midfielder masquerading as a forward.

Neymar's pace is only really a factor when the opp. teams are caught high up the pitch. Arda's more decisive in confined spaces, however. THAT and his combination play would aid messi more against low block defences.

Can Arda make runs in behind the defence like Neymar does though? That's an important part of Barca's game plan imo. Messi's curlers over the top to Neymar are very important. :p

Barcelona and Atletico sources say deal on Arda Turan has not yet been closed. Agent says he hasn't been in touch with Barcelona. [ser efe]

Montoya: "Luis Enrique told me he didn't count on me. Didn't want to lose a whole year, but couldn't leave in January due to transfer ban."

Pretty harsh but the truth.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:That's not true though, it's also a factor because opposition teams are so frightened by it that they try to limit his space thus opening up space for others.

You can open space in more ways than just what you do with the ball, what you do without it can create space too which is why the front 3 were so unstoppable. Each one commanded attention which created space for others.

Arda isn't capable of scaring the opposition like that and thus easier to defend because they know he's not as much of an individual threat allowing you to double up more on Messi and Suarez.

When the oppn is happy to just camp in front of their own box, I barely see him getting doubled-up or make a difference. It's always messi taking on much of the responsibility.

Fußball wrote:
Pretty much this. All of MSN have unique roles and Arda can't assume any of them accordingly. If Neymar gets injured and Arda is to come in as a replacement the entire Messi-Neymar dynamic will be gone. Arda is so different to Neymar and doesn't really excell with off the ball movements to receive Messi's passes. We'll be back to the "Iniesta on the left" kind of dynamics where Arda will always drop to come looking for the ball which is awful. If Suarez gets injured Arda will obviously be useless. Messi would have to play as a false 9 and that too will break up the current dynamics completely where the team is playing off of Suarez. And if Messi gets injured we're screwed anyway. While Arda might be a better player than Pedro individually he's about as useless to soften a possible MSN injury blow.

Obv MSN has its own dynamic, and has been recipe to our success for the most part. But MSN isn't the solution to all Barca problems. Its always the M that tends to bail them out against stifling tactics. "the iniesta on the left" dynamic was actually quite a useful alternate option, because it made inroads in the said circumstances, but where it failed was due to Iniesta's lack of ability to shoot @ short-range. Arda, in contrast isn't a poor goalscorer. His stats may not be very flattering, but he's played for a team where his attacking skillsets are less in play, whilst also not being presented with many opportunities in the box.

May be I'm wrong with my assessment, but Arda isn't really as bad a signing as you all are making it out to be.

Fußball wrote:Montoya: "Luis Enrique told me he didn't count on me. Didn't want to lose a whole year, but couldn't leave in January due to transfer ban."

Pretty harsh but the truth.

Lol that was quite clear when he selected Douglas over the poor Monty.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:That's not true though, it's also a factor because opposition teams are so frightened by it that they try to limit his space thus opening up space for others.

You can open space in more ways than just what you do with the ball, what you do without it can create space too which is why the front 3 were so unstoppable. Each one commanded attention which created space for others.

Arda isn't capable of scaring the opposition like that and thus easier to defend because they know he's not as much of an individual threat allowing you to double up more on Messi and Suarez.

Agree 100%.

I REALLY hope the Ara rumors are nothing but rumors. Here's hoping Chelsea/Utd or whoever jump and take him

windkick wrote:I REALLY hope the Ara rumors are nothing but rumors. Here's hoping Chelsea/Utd or whoever jump and take him

Me too. His agent says he hasn't been in touch with Barca but every agent says that... Never been more against a transfer, Arda's simply a *bleep* ):

Barcelona and Atletico sources say deal on Arda Turan has not yet been closed. Agent says he hasn't been in touch with Barcelona. [ser efe]

If its coming from SER, its pretty legit. You can all take a sigh of relief then.

I don't know about you all, but I'd take Arda over the likes of Iborra/Parejo or no MF reinforcements for next season.

Arda's friend: I can confirm the deal is done but i won't be mentioning the team . The club will be make the announcement public

(:

free_cat wrote:Thought you were a fan of Turan?
I also like him, he always performs vs. Madrid, but he is basically a poor man's iniesta in attack with a lot more defense in him, at almost same age.

I don't really want any signings prior to the election, not even Verrati who I think would be the dream signing.

Completely ridiculous that the acting board (obviously under Fartos suggestion/guidance) are doing transfers. Especially one as big as a 30/40M deal for a 28 year old player we don't need or fits us, as Turan.

Just 3 more weeks and hopefully Farto is gone for good

Bulut (agent Turan): "transfer to Barça? Speculation. I didn't have any contact with Barça. Only truth is that he'll leave Atletico." [rac1]

Hopefully

Deja Vu wrote:Bart denied the Turan rumor.

Five pages ago, guys. Come on.

Luis Enrique wants an extra midfielder before Barcelona's pre-season starts on 13 July. He handed the club a list with 4 names. [ara]

Barcelona had pre-deal with Ilkay Gundogan, number three on midfield wish list, but coach prefers one of top-2, Arda Turan among those [ara]

Just as I'd suspected. You can all bash Barto for his wrong doings, but it's Lucho n co who've been behind our main transfers the past season. And any signing before the elections would have his imprint on it. I mean Arda is not exactly a big enough name to make Barto a sure winner.

Going by the ara info', and all the leaked names in the catalan press. Lucho's 4 man wishlist must 've looked like:
Iborra
Arda
Ilkay
Parejo

I would easily 've taken Ilkay from the list. But obviously Lucho prefers the first two, you know La liga based et al.

Arda's agent says the announcement of his new club shall come in a day or two, whilst Barto has hinted about a new signing in the coming days.

Embrace the beard, guys.

That is a serious shit list...

Aside from Ilkay the rest are wtf.....I mean why do they think Turan is a midfielder all of a sudden? Dude plays on the wings and thugs it up. And Iborra?! Wasn't even the 2nd best midfielder for Sevilla last season, Banega and that Kywoaisdfodjfjadfad guy were FAR better.

Jesus christ I hope the new board steps in and and tells Lucho he will work with whoever they sign for him and he is gonna like it or he can take his monkey act back to Celta.

Even Ilkay is an injury ridden question mark at this point in time lmao

À bout de souffle wrote:

Fußball wrote:Arda would make no sense. He'd cost at least € 30M. That's not a fee you pay for a backup player which he'd inevitably be. He wouldn't have much playing time ahead of Neymar, the only position Arda could play in the front 3 as Messi is unbenchable, so he'd mostly rotate with Iniesta and Rakitic who are both much better than him. With Pogba also coming next summer apparently it would make even less sense to have Arda in the squad.

You know at first I was upset over the Arda rumors but after giving some thought, it's starting to make sense to me.

For one, € 30M for a player of his quality isn't that outlandish when you consider mediocre players go for the same/more these days. Surely a club of Barca's stature should be able to afford a quality and experienced back-up, and you don't get those on the cheap these days. Besides, I don't get why fans fret over transfer figures when the club in question is a football goliath and not a Granada.

We've been lucky the past season in terms of injuries, the drop in quality from MSN ---> Pedro or Raki-Ini --->Raf/Rob is a significant one. A player that can bridge that difference is not optional but imperative in times when the stakes are high, esp when we can no longer summon the services of a certain Xavi.  

When I look at Arda the player, I'm looking @ top notch associative play, dribbling and work rate. He's not a classic CM in the mold of Xavi, but I tend to think his introduction in latter half of games where we need more control, can have similar effect in the sense his ball retention and passing under pressure can help slow down play and gain more influence on the game. I think he's intelligent enough to play centrally.
Up top, he may not score as much as Ney, but he'll inevitably create more space for our other forwards, and is more likely to make a incisive layoff. I tend to think Messi would score more having him amongst his supporting cast. And ofc, he's an option @ RW as well, if when Lucho want/need to shake things up.
In MF, he'll compete and rotate with both Ini/Raki, allowing them to remain fresh for the more important games, but also provide a starting option. I have to say I don't agree with your claim of Raki being the much better one. I'd like to know why you think that way. Arda's offensive skills trumps Raki, and his defensive stats are almost similar, whilst his aerial stats are reasonably good for a player of his size. The only aspect where I can say Raki is def. better is long range shooting. The others I'd give Arda the edge. What's funny is both are 60/70 mins player, perfect to rotate them. I actually think Arda can give Raki a run for his money in Lucho's system.

In short, Arda's signings has more merits than it seems on the surface. I'm actually getting excited about having another top class dribbler in our side not called messi/iniesta.

As for Pogba's impending arrival, I think we can accommodate him given Iniesta's decline and the no. of games on offer. Samper to back-up Busi until he surpasses him whilst the rest of our boys (apart from Munir/Grimaldo)are just not good enough for Barca's ambitions. The sooner we accept it, the better.

Don't know if you've noticed that Arda has scored the brutal figure of 4 goals in his last season and only 13 in his 130 appearences in the league. He just can't play forward for us. Poor man's iniesta with better defensive abilities.

windkick wrote:Jesus christ I hope the new board steps in and and tells Lucho he will work with whoever they sign for him and he is gonna like it or he can take his monkey act back to Celta.  

Sorry mate but, . I'm sure the coach knows best who will fit in his project and it's the best if he has the freedom to pick. Where's the sense in buying somebody without even discussing it with the coach and let him worry about what to do with the signing. Makes no sense whatsoever. Just fcking believe in a treble winning coach, I'm sure he knows what he's doing even though you may have no idea what he's up to. Just like everyone bashed him for the heavy rotations at the beginning of the season and it turned out to be vital in the business part of the season when we had everyone fit and, for example, Bayern was injury ridden.

Arda's signing makes sense if Lucho intends to roll on with those crazy rotations. MSN was fit all season long but you don't know what can happen in the future. Arda is a quality sub at either wing.

Also, according to SPORT, the new president will have last say on the transfer of Turan.

Managing committee has decided not to sign deal on transfer of Atletico player Arda Turan (28). They leave decision for next president [ser]

In your face, Fart.

linetty wrote:

windkick wrote:Jesus christ I hope the new board steps in and and tells Lucho he will work with whoever they sign for him and he is gonna like it or he can take his monkey act back to Celta.  

Sorry mate but, . I'm sure the coach knows best who will fit in his project and it's the best if he has the freedom to pick. Where's the sense in buying somebody without even discussing it with the coach and let him worry about what to do with the signing. Makes no sense whatsoever. Just fcking believe in a treble winning coach, I'm sure he knows what he's doing even though you may have no idea what he's up to. Just like everyone bashed him for the heavy rotations at the beginning of the season and it turned out to be vital in the business part of the season when we had everyone fit and, for example, Bayern was injury ridden.

Arda's signing makes sense if Lucho intends to roll on with those crazy rotations. MSN was fit all season long but you don't know what can happen in the future. Arda is a quality sub at either wing.

Also, according to SPORT, the new president will have last say on the transfer of Turan.

I was just talking shit, how about you relax

I absolutely want the manager to be involved with the sporting director and president regarding all transfers. However this deal seems pretty ridiculous, and if judging by the IBORRA as the top candidate per Lucho's list to replace XAVI then yes....I absolutely do not want Lucho having final say on our transfers as that's just a really crappy list. Iborra wasn't even a regular starter for Sevilla, how is he going to come over here to us all of a sudden? And Arda is an injury prone, close to 30 player who is also a hot head and doesn't score or contribute allot to attack. It would be like having an extremely hot headed Mascherano coming off the bench to run around the flanks. How is that going to help us be creative and win games? How about when he doesn't get allot of playing time, how do we know he isn't going to be calm and positive about it like say Mascerano? And for 35/40M you better believe he isn't being offered a bench role...so does that mean we are going to bench Rakitic for him? I mean seriously wtf is that? Turan to me, is a guy that probably Lucho can relate to from his playing days, his loud and over the top personality on the pitch, but that is not the type of character that this Barcelona team is built around or has needed since it's success started.
So does that mean Lucho's vision of his perfect team is a midfield of Iborra and Turan over Iniesta and Rakitic? is that the type of team we have to look forward too under Lucho's transfer expertise? I mean for that price tag and age, why not just use that on a different player or just give Rafinha a shot to prove himself the first half of the season? We have a transfer ban anyway, so Rafinha will be our super sub regardless until January when Adra and Vidal are available.. And we still have Masia guys that can fill the back up roles if needed in emergency.

Now of course, I am not saying I know more than Lucho, it is his team. But you must also remember that the team Lucho won the UCL with is not a team he built, but inherited from the old manager/Zubi/the Board. So if going forward we are to expect Iborras and Turans for huge fees linked to us...then as stated I would rather he be involved but not have final say on transfers and let the board whom talk to scouts etc decide.
And that rotation policy thing I don't believe was a master stroke of genius from Lucho; he blatantly was trying to show his great hand at giving everyone playing time and also showing his authority over the senior players that they aren't guaranteed starts. What happened? We gradually started to lose/get draws and we all agreed he was making really bone head subs/starts when things got tough and he didn't seem to budge. Then Messi/Neymar got mad at him...and he stopped rotating and we started winning almost every single game after. That to me, is not a sign that he had a plan to keep the starters fresh for the 2nd half as much as it was him being hard headed and wanting to show his authority and it back fired on him....which worked out great for us.

Ugh, I obviously have my jimmies rustled over this transfer LOL

Mate, you are REALLY reading too much into it. Also, I'm not sure why you refuse to give Lucho more credit for the treble. Rotating is not easy and still with making tough decision to bench key players week in week out he ended up having the biggest win percentage in history He went too far with benching both Neymar and Messi at the same time but you learn from mistakes, don't you? Again, his rotating may have looked crazy at times (as I said everyone was bashing him for that) but he completely knew what he was doing and from bashing him we moved to worshipping him.

Also, you don't know if this signings list is true. MD reported earlier today that Lucho basically asked to sign 2 players this summer: Aleix Vidal and Arda Turan. There's nothing about Ibbora or Parejo (probably just bollocks).

The only thing I'm concerned about are his performances against Madrid. In the first game we were totally outplayed and in the second we won only because their players were burned out and ours were fresh (again, thanks to his rotations). I hope he sorts them out because IMO they're the only team that could trash us.