Re: With Hazard firmly establishing himself as a Top 3 player this season, what next for the Belgian Genius?

by Freeza Fri May 29, 2015 8:39 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Casemiro a top 4 player on WhoScored. Maybe we don't need to buy a DM after all.

We're selling him to Porto I think, with a buy-back.

by futbol Fri May 29, 2015 8:44 pm

According to Whoscored Ronaldo has been outperforming Messi in the CL since joining Madrid up until this season. Rated above Messi in 09/10, 12/13, 13/14. hmm

by Harmonica Fri May 29, 2015 8:44 pm

Casemiro had most tackles+interceptions for any player in CL last season. hmm

Not good enough. Clubber

by Hapless_Hans Fri May 29, 2015 8:48 pm

people who in earnest keep citing whoscored ratings as their predominant source of knowledge are the second most silly thing in today's football.

A close, not distant, second.

by M99 Fri May 29, 2015 8:50 pm

Fußball wrote:According to Whoscored Ronaldo has been outperforming Messi in the CL since joining Madrid up until this season. Rated above Messi in 09/10, 12/13, 13/14.

Harmonica pls respond

Harmonica wrote:Statistics don't care who are you against, players have good days and bad days and everything between. But stats don't care, they take the average of your performance, which is the most relative comparison you can make.

Which is precisely the problem with rating players based solely on stats Laughing

Nani's performance is averaged on 6 games and according to those 6 games he was the 3rd best player on CL. Yeah, a guy who got eliminated from the group stages was the 3rd best player of the entire tournament :facepalm:

by Harmonica Fri May 29, 2015 8:52 pm

M99 wrote:
Fußball wrote:According to Whoscored Ronaldo has been outperforming Messi in the CL since joining Madrid up until this season. Rated above Messi in 09/10, 12/13, 13/14.

Harmonica pls respond

Harmonica wrote:Statistics don't care who are you against, players have good days and bad days and everything between. But stats don't care, they take the average of your performance, which is the most relative comparison you can make.

Which is precisely the problem with rating players based solely on stats Nani's performance is averaged on 6 games and according to those 6 games he was the 3rd best player on CL. Yeah, a guy who got eliminated from the group stages was the 3rd best player of the entire tournament

Some further analysis from the whoscored.com (Opta) ratings. Relation of the best and 2nd best forward seasons in Barcelona and Real Madrid since 09-10

With Hazard firmly establishing himself as a Top 3 player this season, what next for the Belgian Genius? - Page 3 BIQKUY1

With Hazard firmly establishing himself as a Top 3 player this season, what next for the Belgian Genius? - Page 3 BIQKUY1

- Since 09-10 Messi has been better than Cronaldo every season.
- Cronaldo only came close of Messi 13-14 when Messi was battling injuries.
- 09-10 was the last season when Cronaldo had great overall performance, which he sacrificed for poaching goals.
- 14-15 is the first season when Barcelona has had better 2nd forward than Real Madrid.

by M99 Fri May 29, 2015 8:56 pm

Harmonica wrote:
M99 wrote:
Fußball wrote:According to Whoscored Ronaldo has been outperforming Messi in the CL since joining Madrid up until this season. Rated above Messi in 09/10, 12/13, 13/14.

Harmonica pls respond

Harmonica wrote:Statistics don't care who are you against, players have good days and bad days and everything between. But stats don't care, they take the average of your performance, which is the most relative comparison you can make.

Which is precisely the problem with rating players based solely on stats Nani's performance is averaged on 6 games and according to those 6 games he was the 3rd best player on CL. Yeah, a guy who got eliminated from the group stages was the 3rd best player of the entire tournament
Some further analysis from the whoscored.com (Opta) ratings. Relation of the best and 2nd best forward seasons in Barcelona and Real Madrid since 09-10

.

- Since 09-10 Messi has been better than Cronaldo every season.
- Cronaldo only came close of Messi 13-14 when Messi was battling injuries.
- 09-10 was the last season when Cronaldo had great overall performance, which he sacrificed for poaching goals.
- 14-15 is the first season when Barcelona has had better 2nd forward than Real Madrid.

The discussion was CL only not overall season hmm

The stats show Ronaldo was better on CL in 3 seasons since 09-10 hmm

And really my point still stands. WhoScored stats are a bad way to compare players. Even a 5 year old can see something is flawed when according to WhoScored Loic Perrin is the best defender in the world and Nani had a better CL campaign than Suarez and Neymar.

by Harmonica Fri May 29, 2015 8:57 pm

M99 wrote:
The discussion was CL only not overall season

Umm I think the question was about whoscored validity? hmm

by Hapless_Hans Fri May 29, 2015 9:04 pm

Harmonica wrote:
M99 wrote:
The discussion was CL only not overall season
Umm I think the question was about whoscored validity?

The answer to that question is "not".

by Harmonica Fri May 29, 2015 9:05 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
M99 wrote:
The discussion was CL only not overall season
Umm I think the question was about whoscored validity?

The answer to that question is "not".

That's not the question.

by Blue Fri May 29, 2015 9:07 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Blue wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:I'm not even convinced he is currently better than Tevez

Geez Florentina are building Salah a statue atm, he couldn't even get on the pitch at Chelsea. pls BC you are a better poster then that.

My count was mostly tongue in cheek but your counter logic is deeply flawed. There are a number of reasons players can fail at Chelsea and still be very good players, would you also suggest that KDB in spite of also failing there?

You are right numerous reasons players can fail for many reasons. But man i wouldn't trust anything out of Serie A, Cuadrado is the worst player i have seen in Chelsea kit since Marko marin. Salah is looking like Serie A one of better players.

El Cujo wrote:Hazard better than Suarez and Robben.

Suarez eats Hazard for breakfast and Robben runs circles around him.

Get bias out of the way, anyone should see its a toss up between Suarez, Robben, and Hazard atm.

by Blue Fri May 29, 2015 9:09 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:whoscored ratings are the single most silly thing in today's football.

No that would be Youtube, people who evaluate players based on 3 minutes clips.

by Harmonica Fri May 29, 2015 9:12 pm

I would actually want to hear better rating than whoscored rating, that's able to rate 1000 of players, every second of their play, every game, relatively precise scale. Now that would be the holy grail,

sadly there's no such thing.

by Hapless_Hans Fri May 29, 2015 9:24 pm

Blue wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:whoscored ratings are the single most silly thing in today's football.

No that would be Youtube, people who evaluate players based on 3 minutes clips.

No. That's dumb.

But throwing around whoscored stuff is silly.

by Harmonica Fri May 29, 2015 9:26 pm

Yes, throwing out what actually happens in the field relatively on average, is silly. hmm

by The Franchise Fri May 29, 2015 9:42 pm

Easy question. He is half way to becoming the best leftback in Europe with park the bus master Mourinho. Im sure by next season he will master the position.

I always wonder, why Gil posts, do other Chelsea fans cringe? Or is it more like when your weird uncle comes for a visit and you just have to smile and keep it moving?

by Hapless_Hans Fri May 29, 2015 9:49 pm

Harmonica wrote:Yes, throwing out what actually happens in the field relatively on average, is silly.

I told you before.
If you think statistics are 'what actually happens on the field', I guess you're the kind of guy who'd run screaming out of the movie theater when he sees a train approaching.

by terrance511 Fri May 29, 2015 9:50 pm

will take reus over hazard

by Harmonica Fri May 29, 2015 9:52 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Harmonica wrote:Yes, throwing out what actually happens in the field relatively on average, is silly.

I told you before.
If you think statistics are 'what actually happens on the field', I guess you're the kind of guy who'd run screaming out of the movie theater when he sees a train approaching.

You're the kind of guy who doesn't think player dribbles a player on the field, when statistic says so. A delude one.

by Hapless_Hans Fri May 29, 2015 10:00 pm

Nope.
I merely don't conclude from reading player A has 2 dribbles and player B one that player A is 2 times better than player B Laughing

by Harmonica Fri May 29, 2015 10:05 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:Nope.
I merely don't conclude from reading player A has 2 dribbles and player B one that player A is 2 times better than player B

And player A has 200 dribbles, isn't better than the player B that has 50 dribbles. hmm

by Hapless_Hans Fri May 29, 2015 10:12 pm

Harmonica wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Nope.
I merely don't conclude from reading player A has 2 dribbles and player B one that player A is 2 times better than player B
And player A has 200 dribbles, isn't better than the player B that has 50 dribbles.

Not necessarily, no. All we know is he has more dribbles Laughing

by Sri Fri May 29, 2015 10:13 pm

Depends on if the dribble is on a rainy night away at Stoke :coffee:

by Harmonica Fri May 29, 2015 10:13 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Nope.
I merely don't conclude from reading player A has 2 dribbles and player B one that player A is 2 times better than player B
And player A has 200 dribbles, isn't better than the player B that has 50 dribbles.

Not necessarily, no. All we know is he has more dribbles

And based on those alone he isn't better. hmm

by Sri Fri May 29, 2015 10:14 pm

You can dribble all you want, but if your team doesn't score............................. :whistle:

by Harmonica Fri May 29, 2015 10:15 pm

If player dribbles whole opponent XI, and creates a empty net for the team mate. If he doesn't score it doesn't matter, if he scores he's better. hmm

by Sponsored content