Re: Hazard must bring his level down to Messi's and Ronaldo's

by Kaladin Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:26 pm

Poor man's Bonaventura

by Curtinho Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:56 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Curtinho wrote:Pffft...comparing ATG big game player Sneijder to these scrubs.

Think you should read my post more carefully tbh, i'm not comparing him to anyone. Just that i hand picked a bunch of attacking players under Mourinho who excelled under him and never really benefited from the excuses Hazard does.

I was just kidding around because I think the poster before you said that Hazard has never shown up for the big games.

Either way it's true. I like Hazard as a player but he has received way more than the benefit of the doubt in his time at Chelsea. I still think that he would excel in a more offensive system with a different coach, obviously, but he also just isn't as good as some people make him out to be. A great player no doubt, but not one of the top 5-10 in the world I'd say.

by The Franchise Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:58 pm

Not often I agree wit Mourinho but I do here.

“We have different concepts of number 10, me and him,” said Mourinho when asked about whether Hazard will be given a run in his favoured, central role.
“For me a number 10 does a lot of things, with the ball and without the ball. So for me a number 10 is a very special player in my team.
“With a system of two midfield players and one number 10, I demand a lot from a number 10.
“I like a number 10 to score goals. I like a number 10 to get in the box. I like a number 10 to score goals like Oscar's against Maccabi Tel Aviv.
“A number 10 for me is an eight-and-a-half when the team loses the ball, and the number 10 is a nine-and-a-half when the team has the ball.
“Who is my perfect number 10? Wesley Sneijder and Deco. Because they could defend, get in the box and finish goals? Yes.”

by Cruijf Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:04 pm

Strange he says that, he played Ozil as a number 10 who fulfilled a very different role. Surely he could do that with Hazard?

by RealGunner Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:08 pm

Sneijder could defend?

by jibers Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:07 pm

The Franchise wrote:Not often I agree wit Mourinho but I do here.

“We have different concepts of number 10, me and him,” said Mourinho when asked about whether Hazard will be given a run in his favoured, central role.
“For me a number 10 does a lot of things, with the ball and without the ball. So for me a number 10 is a very special player in my team.
“With a system of two midfield players and one number 10, I demand a lot from a number 10.
“I like a number 10 to score goals. I like a number 10 to get in the box. I like a number 10 to score goals like Oscar's against Maccabi Tel Aviv.
“A number 10 for me is an eight-and-a-half when the team loses the ball, and the number 10 is a nine-and-a-half when the team has the ball.
“Who is my perfect number 10? Wesley Sneijder and Deco. Because they could defend, get in the box and finish goals? Yes.”

If this is to do with Hazard then it makes litle sense as he plays him as an 11...

I agree with him on that as well. He has just described Jari Litmanen.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:25 pm

Cruijf wrote:Strange he says that, he played Ozil as a number 10 who fulfilled a very different role. Surely he could do that with Hazard?

Lol Hazard isn't in Ozil's league when it comes to playmaking. He can't be a 10 like that, it's like asking Ribery to be a 10.

by Mr Nick09 Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:33 pm

Cruijf wrote:Strange he says that, he played Ozil as a number 10 who fulfilled a very different role. Surely he could do that with Hazard?

he made a bet on Ozil to become that kind of player but that did not happen. So now Mourinho is in a situation where he would rather have players that fit what he is looking for rather than player who dont. It makes sense, Oscar fits what mourinho is looking for, but he doesnt play at a high enough level consistently

by M99 Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:37 pm

ES wrote:Poor man's Niang

by windkick Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:38 pm

Still loling at Gil or whoever it was trying to compare Hazard to Neymar, and arguing Hazard was better. Neymar could potentially finish 2nd in the Ballon D'Or this year, a podium Hazard will never get near.

by huntsman Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:29 pm

It's a matter of opinion. Mine is that Hazard is a very underrated, underutilized, and mismanaged player.

If I had to choose between a creator (hazard) and a reliant player (Neymar); I would choose Hazard. If Hazard plays for a team I lead or manage, he would be second to Messi only and not the Hazard that you currently see on your screens every week.

This is why my pick would be Hazard.

by jibers Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:51 pm

huntsman wrote:It's a matter of opinion. Mine is that Hazard is a very underrated, underutilized, and mismanaged player.

If I had to choose between a creator (hazard) and a reliant player (Neymar); I would choose Hazard. If Hazard plays for a team I lead or manage, he would be second to Messi only and not the Hazard that you currently see on your screens every week.

This is why my pick would be Hazard.

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by Cruijf Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:05 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Cruijf wrote:Strange he says that, he played Ozil as a number 10 who fulfilled a very different role. Surely he could do that with Hazard?

Lol Hazard isn't in Ozil's league when it comes to playmaking. He can't be a 10 like that, it's like asking Ribery to be a 10.

I'm not advocating using Hazard as a 10 lol, I just think it's very strange that Mourinho would cite defending and pressing as his reasons Hazard can't play there. It's more that he's much better when he's isolated one and one, and that's not gonna happen in the middle.

by huntsman Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:10 pm

Hazard can nail the number 10 role.
He should have just kept his mouth shut instead of coming out in public and saying that he told Mourinho to play him in the number 10 role and that is why his performance has improved.

Mourinho being the stubborn coach he is, came out and said Hazard is not a number 10 citing out some reasons which work well on paper and sound even better then moved Hazard to play forward.

by Harmonica Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:17 pm

Cronaldo against Eibar.

1 penalty goal from 9 shots
0 assists
0 chance's created
0 dribbles
0 through balls
0 tackles
0 interceptions
0 crosses

Hazard should do Cronaldo, and concentrate on goals only, how would GL react to that? hmm

by Freeza Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:20 pm

Harmonica wrote:Cronaldo against Eibar.

1 penalty goal from 9 shots
0 assists
0 chance's created
0 dribbles
0 through balls
0 tackles
0 interceptions
0 crosses

Hazard should do Cronaldo, and concentrate on goals only, how would GL react to that?

Don't know. Let's see him score first.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:26 pm

Cruijf wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Cruijf wrote:Strange he says that, he played Ozil as a number 10 who fulfilled a very different role. Surely he could do that with Hazard?

Lol Hazard isn't in Ozil's league when it comes to playmaking. He can't be a 10 like that, it's like asking Ribery to be a 10.

I'm not advocating using Hazard as a 10 lol, I just think it's very strange that Mourinho would cite defending and pressing as his reasons Hazard can't play there. It's more that he's much better when he's isolated one and one, and that's not gonna happen in the middle.

That's not a good reason no, the real reason is he excells drifting into space rather than occupying space like a lot of these not wingers or 10s.

It's incredibly hard to be a 10 because you are so tightly marked, your intelligence off the ball has to be insanely good. Most players are just much better drifting into that space than actually occupying it to start with and Hazard is one of them.

He'll never be a good 10.

by Katy Perry Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:18 am

Honestly, he's being held back atm because we kinda suck but I don't think there's much latent potential in him. I mean he's not really young anymore, he's not new to the team to the league, he didn't really improve exponentially like Neymar is doing at Barca in the last year in the almost 4 years he has been with us so I doubt it will happen. He's still a formidable player and one of the best, if not the best, in the PL, but that's it. Won't reach a world class/balon d'or status even if he's played at the fullest of his capabilities because he simply isn't there.

by huntsman Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:08 am

You're reading too much into the past.
Know that It is very easy to skew your data / opinion when you focus on the recent past performance of the player.

Hazard is still a diamond in the rough, and he wont be able to express himself until he is given the privilege of playing where he sees himself fit. Football is not a game of chess or go. It can be as simple as, where do you see yourself playing son, as a number 10? Okay go

Ruud and myself are not talking about what Hazard has been doing but what he should be doing and what he can do.

by Hapless_Hans Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:37 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Cruijf wrote:Strange he says that, he played Ozil as a number 10 who fulfilled a very different role. Surely he could do that with Hazard?

Lol Hazard isn't in Ozil's league when it comes to playmaking. He can't be a 10 like that, it's like asking Ribery to be a 10.

Ribery could do it. :coffee:

by Bankz Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:36 am

The truth is hazard isn't that good neither is he on an elite level tbh.. All these are just excuses for his ineptitude. I bet hazard would go to bayern, real, barca and still underperform, like he does for belgium too.

The thing is this didn't start this season, as hazard has been like this for bout 2 plus years now. People still seem to think in their heads that he's some 22 year old player, I mean, this guy is freaking 25 in a months time, so to think he'll magically transform and become world class is just lol worthy tbh. Kind of reminds me how people felt that guys like sanchez, fabregas, benzema and others could magically become super player if they went to bigger clubs..

If you're good enough, you'll be able to make a massive impact regardless of whereever you find yourself..

Do you think that individually, guys like Neymar, messi, suarez, ronaldo, wouldn't have a serious impact in this current chelsea season?

In comparision with fellow (so called) other young talents, I don't even think he's a top 5 young talent (if u can call him that). Guys like gotze (even if I don't rate him that highly), pogba, thiago, james are simply better IMO.

by huntsman Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:50 am

He's already at an elite level, he's just not performing at the moment to his / an elite level standards. Then again neither is Ronaldo.

Hazard's problem is ambition; he treats football almost as a hobby than a profession. He just likes to play football, he keeps saying. It doesnt matter where he plays as long as he plays football. That's not what an elite player says. Sometimes words speak louder than actions; at least justify those actions. Hazard would rather assist a colleague and help him score a goal than score the goal himself. This is what's keeping his scoring and shooting skills at bay.

22, 25, who the hell cares. He has enough time to turn things around and become a B D contender, but he wont dominate the competition like Ronaldo & Messi did. The real question is whether he's really going to make the necessary changes. Personally, I dont think, not because he's not capable of that, no. The talent he has is only matched by Messi's. None of the above players you mentioned come close to Hazard's talent. Even Neymar falls short.
Gotze, Pogba, James and I dont know which Thiago you're refering to certainly dont hold a candle to hazard.

The point that you and a lot of the other users are missing is that this thread is not about how Hazard has performed so far as compared to the other (elite) players or to expectations from him. It's about what he is capable of, if he were to tap into his peak performance / talent reservoir.

In other words, it's only a matter of opinions and views which might not see the light or be proven right.

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