Should refs try to influence the match result after they missed a call?

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:22 pm

Today in the LCFC-WHU match the ref missed a penalty offense in the 89th minute. Not wanting to be the guy that cost LCFC the title, he gave them a penalty in the 94th for a foul only he saw, which largely everyone agrees was a make up call. While the goal of getting a just result is loable I can't help but feel that this goes against everything they should be doing. If a ref makes a mistake, well that's life, but it was genuine. Suppose the person that told him that he "missed" a penalty call before was wrong, should a ref try to "correct" a match based off this incorrect information?
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Post by Robespierre Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:26 pm

Yes , I believe the "compensation" is the " lesser evil " at that point.
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Post by Lucifer Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:31 pm

What I would like to see is refs giving their opinion on game post match just like managers and players do. It will help us know what were they thinking or what was the rationale behind some particular decision. Also it might make them little bit more careful as they would be more accountable.

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Post by Onyx Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:42 pm

It's about time instant replay was introduced. Would solve most ref problems imo.

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Post by Valkyrja Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:43 pm

Onyx wrote:It's about time instant replay was introduced. Would solve most ref problems imo.


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Post by Art Morte Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:53 pm

Obviously not, a good ref is consistent and there's no consistency if refs start making up for calls they missed. Moss simply had a howler with his penalty decisions today.

Lucifer wrote:What I would like to see is refs giving their opinion on game post match just like managers and players do.


That would be very interesting and entertaining, but would lead to problems.
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Post by CBarca Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:57 pm

Valk do you ever stop being a little priss and actually contribute to the thread?

On topic: absolutely not. I've been reffing for 7 years now and one of the things that has always been stressed is to not make make up calls. Your job is to be as impartial as possible at all times. If you make a mistake, it happens, but you continue to ref the game as if you haven't.

Referees aren't and shouldn't be concerned with the outcome of the match, they should barely know what the score is. They should simply ref the game to the best of their ability.
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Post by Art Morte Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:06 pm

You've been reffing for 7 years? Well, that explains why you're the best mod around.
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Post by El Messico Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:18 pm

Yes, a make-up call should be fine in most cases

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Post by rwo power Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:39 pm

No because this is open match manipulation and where would it end? IMO the only way out is to introduce a video ref.
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Post by zigra Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:12 pm

No. What if you made two mistakes and only noticed one? What if you had some smaller bad calls against one team but only one big mistake against the other team? Is it ok to make that one up but not the other ones? And isn't there a difference between giving a penalty (or red card) in minute x or minute x+y? In the end you try to solve one problem and end up creating another problem because a) you have only limited knowledge and b) not enough time to really think through what to do.

Replays/video refs/calls are the way to go.
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Post by Myesyats Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:36 am

Onyx wrote:It's about time instant replay was introduced. Would solve most ref problems imo.

more time wasting and disrupting the flow of the game yay
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Post by EL Patron Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:16 pm

This is a bad idea, would only work in Serie A
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Post by rwo power Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:46 pm

IMO players protesting and crowsing the ref is more time consuming than if there would be a video ref who simply tells the main ref if he sees some blatant error or so.
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Post by rincon Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:28 pm

Lucifer wrote:What I would like to see is refs giving their opinion on game post match just like managers and players do. It will help us know  what were they thinking or what was the rationale behind some particular decision. Also it might make them little bit more careful as they would be more accountable.


Nicola Rizzoli (Italian ref) just said that next year is a testing phase where ref's may have interviews after the matches. That its an objective of Nicchi (former ref and president of the ref association in Italy).

Goal-line tech, video assisted refing and ref interviews after games. Serie A leading the way :coffee:
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Post by Doc Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:55 pm

Well, their actual football isn't doing it so why not improve on other aspects in the mean time.
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Post by titosantill Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:06 am

No, in many cases, these calls aren't 'missed' on purpose, the ref makes a mistake, he should be brave enough to live with the consequences, acknowledge them if necessary and move on with the game. to start trying to influence the result because of your error or in some case absent mindedness is imo cowardly. besides, if his concern turns to how he can influence the match, is he just going to start making crazy calls until the side can get a goal? what if they don't have any goal scoring opportunities or PK fouls, is he going to keep giving freekicks till the get close to goal?

the ref is allowed to use his disposition with respect to balancing things out, but that should not be his primary concern. if he wants to put on a brave face when he makes an error, then he always has the media- where he can go and admit, "yes, i made that call, it was a wrong one, i blew it". to start trying to influence the result turns his neutral position into one of bias. its not like the mistake he made was done on purpose to begin with
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Post by Lucifer Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:41 am

rincon wrote:
Lucifer wrote:What I would like to see is refs giving their opinion on game post match just like managers and players do. It will help us know  what were they thinking or what was the rationale behind some particular decision. Also it might make them little bit more careful as they would be more accountable.



Nicola Rizzoli (Italian ref) just said that next year is a testing phase where ref's may have interviews after the matches. That its an objective of Nicchi (former ref and president of the ref association in Italy).

Goal-line tech, video assisted refing and ref interviews after games. Serie A leading the way :coffee:
Am I visionary or what Proud

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Post by rwo power Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:11 am

In the Bundesliga, I have seen refs apologizing for wrong calls after matches already. I guess it just takes some balls to do so and thus not all opt to do this.

Here some examples (in German, sorry):
- http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/bundesliga-umstrittener-bvb-sieg-alle-entschuldigen-sich-beim-verlierer-1.2840651-2
- http://www.sport1.de/fussball/bundesliga/2015/12/schiedsrichter-florian-meyer-entschuldigt-sich-angaben-von-andre-breitenreiter-beim-fc-schalke-04
- http://www.sport1.de/fussball/bundesliga/2015/09/schiedsrichter-knut-kircher-gibt-fehler-bei-fc-bayern-fc-augsburg-zu
- http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/fc-augsburg/article141026437/Referee-Zwayer-entschuldigt-sich-fuer-seine-Fehler.html
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