Guardiola has failed Bayern Munich

Ottmar Hitzfeld : Has Pep been a failure at Bayern? "There is only one answer to this question: No, he hasn't." [Bild]

Ottmar Hitzfeld "Guardiola isn't treated fairly. He improved Bayern and the whole Bundesliga."

Hitzfeld "Everyone who does not recognise it is sensational that Pep led Bayern to three Champions League semi-finals in a row is clueless"

Hitzfeld "Normally a team who won the treble as Bayern did in 2013 falls into a hole. They are not that hungry anymore, you ease up."

Hitzfeld "But Guardiola protected Bayern from that case and made the players greedy"

Hitzfeld "Pep instilled Bayern with a passing quality like never before. He made them play high-speed football."

Hitzfeld "I think Pep will only get the appreciation he deserves in Germany in a few months."

Hitzfeld "Often you only realize how good someone was when he is already gone."

Hitzfeld "I also don't agree with the critics who claim Guardiola did not identify himself enough with Bayern."

Hitzfeld "If you saw him on the sidelines you know how much passion he gave for this club"

Let's look at this another way. What were the results the 3 or 4 years prior to Pep vs results in his three years? I believe the answer to basically the same. So what did Pep really accomplish in three years. He was clearly brought there to win them CL and for that he has failed (or not succeeded). Has he improved club? Results say no.

3 years before Pep they won 3 titles, with Pep 6 and a chance at a possible 7th. 3 years before him 1 Bundesliga title and 3 years with him 3. The only thing he hasn't lived up is the CL final or title itself.

He was bought in for the CL, but I don't believe that was entirely the SOLE reason he was bought in for. If it was they would've sacked him after the SF against Madrid or even Barcelona.

I wonder will the same pro pep defense team will be around if he somehow messes up in the EPL?

This thread will funny to read one year from now.

Of course.

For the record, he SHOULD succeed. EPL is a backwater league who is far behind tactically. If Pep is worth his salt in tactics, he should have no problem as demonstrated by Ranieri, Guidolin, Bilic, even that clown pochettino.

Top kek if he doesn't dominate tbh.

Turok_TTZ wrote:I wonder will the same pro pep defense team will be around if he somehow messes up in the EPL?

This thread will funny to read one year from now.

Oh yeah, of course they will ... To tell us how great is City's passing, doesn't matter if they can't win big games in UCL, but they will have more dimensions than a hypercube.

And if he does succeed will have you lot saying how he has x and y player, PL so bad, spent so much money, refs help, etc.

futbol_bill wrote:Let's look at this another way. What were the results the 3 or 4 years prior to Pep vs results in his three years? I believe the answer to basically the same. So what did Pep really accomplish in three years. He was clearly brought there to win them CL and for that he has failed (or not succeeded). Has he improved club? Results say no.

That's such a braindead, moronic way of framing it, there's a point where willful ignorance becomes offensive tbh.

And many posters in this thread have stryed beyond that point.

"Results" say he hasn't "improved" the club? LMAO We *bleep* won the treble the year before he came in.

I don't know how bottomlessly stupid you have to be to think we were expecting Pep to "improve" the club resultwise lol.
How is this even possible.

All we were looking for was a top manager to manage our team successfully, and that's what he did.

We also played some of the best football ever played by our team, and our most consistently successful.

It's absolutely mind boggling how all you clowns, supporting clubs who do all kinds of stupid shit with varying success, are flocking here to tell us how to feel about a coach who had us win 80% of our games with fantastic football.

How *bleep* stupid are you people?

Go get your brains replaced.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

futbol_bill wrote:Let's look at this another way. What were the results the 3 or 4 years prior to Pep vs results in his three years? I believe the answer to basically the same. So what did Pep really accomplish in three years. He was clearly brought there to win them CL and for that he has failed (or not succeeded). Has he improved club? Results say no.

That's such a braindead, moronic way of framing it, there's a point where willful ignorance becomes offensive tbh.

And many posters in this thread have stryed beyond that point.

"Results" say he hasn't "improved" the club? LMAO We *bleep* won the treble the year before he came in.

I don't know how bottomlessly stupid you have to be to think we were expecting Pep to "improve" the club resultwise lol.
How is this even possible.

All we were looking for was a top manager to manage our team successfully, and that's what he did.

We also played some of the best football ever played by our team, and our most consistently successful.

It's absolutely mind boggling how all you clowns, supporting clubs who do all kinds of stupid shit with varying success, are flocking here to tell us how to feel about a coach who had us win 80% of our games with fantastic football.

How *bleep* stupid are you people?

Go get your brains replaced.

Blanc is winning even more at PSG with great football, yet no one gives a shit.

It seems to me that people confuse "failure" with "disappointment".  In my opinion, Pep was absolutely not a failure at Bayern.  They played great footy, won everything domestically and always made the semis in CL.  But did he disappoint compared to the expectations placed on him?  Sure.  Everybody expected him to win at least 1 CL.

Btw, people think winning the CL is easy.  Bayern has 5 in its history,  Madrid has the most with 10, etc.  The tournament is 60 years old.  It's not that easy.  It's football.

Meanwhile 4 Bundi titles in a row is a RECORD. Making the CL semis every year is damn impressive. Even the great Barca don't make it every single year.

Keep things in perspective peeps.

Great post Sports, important distinction.

Pep's opponents in 3 years up until the semis were:

Arsenal
Moyes' United
Donezk
Porto
Juventus
Benfica

Bayern on paper were overwhelming favourites against all of these teams bar Juventus where they were a minute away from messing up. So "3 semis in a row" is a rather meaningless statistic to suggercoat that everytime Pep faces any half decent team, he struggles big time. This dates back to his Barca time as well. It's still inexcuseable for me to get wrecked on the counter against 10 men Di Matteo's Chelsea when already 2-0 up. About as 1-dimensional as it gets. Attack at all costs at all times. A glorified Paco Jémez.

I do agree that he plays nice tippy-tappy football against Darmstadt though.

Agree with Sports.

Pep didn't really do anything beyond of what was expected of him. Domestic success was already a given. Failure is too harsh a word to describe Pep after what he's done for Bayern.

I can agree with that. perhaps the op heading should be revised. But check with Hans first as he seems really upset with this thread (actually kind of ironic that the ultimate troll is upset people trolling his team!)

in the last month or so ive seen people say messi is finished. Ronaldo is a scrub.barca are finished as a team. mourinho is a shit manager and pep is a fraud. well if that's all that football has to offer why does people bother watching it.

I don't really recall people praising Mourinho making 3 Semi finals in a row as damn impressive..


What changed??

Semi-final trophies

Adit wrote:I don't really recall people praising Mourinho making 3 Semi finals in a row as damn impressive..


What changed??

Nothing. The difference is Mourinho isn't a two-face diplomatic prick

Valkyrja wrote:

Adit wrote:I don't really recall people praising Mourinho making 3 Semi finals in a row as damn impressive..


What changed??

Nothing. The difference is Mourinho isn't a two-face diplomatic prick

Agreed.
He is just shit face arrogant prick

Lucifer wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

Adit wrote:I don't really recall people praising Mourinho making 3 Semi finals in a row as damn impressive..


What changed??

Nothing. The difference is Mourinho isn't a two-face diplomatic prick

Agreed.
He is just shit face arrogant prick

halamadrid2 wrote:Semi-final trophies

These go into that same special trophy cabinet where you'd put a 4th place trophy, right?

In all seriousness, Sportsczy does have a good point: there should be a distinction between "failure" and "disappointment".

Its incredibly harsh to describe 3 leagues and a DFB-Pokal in 3 years as "failure". However, with a club the size of Bayern, the end-game will always be european trophies, hence the sense of disappointment from Guardiola's reign.

You can certainly make the argument (and many on here are trying...) that Guardiola should succeed in domestic competitions and that CL was always the point of his appointment. (It certainly will be when he completes his move to the Ethiad in the summer.) Therefore, the sense of disappointment is warranted. It's safe to assume that Pep himself is disappointed not to have added another CL to his CV. Because of this, it would seem that the biggest winner from Pep's time at Bayern is actually Jupp Heynckes.

Guardiola and Thiago both deserve everything they now get for gloryhunting at Bayern and leaving Barca as soon as team staled and seemed to go downhill.

Ah Some of these Madrid fans 1 CL, 1 league title, 2 CdR in 6 years, one of the most expensive squad assembled, greatest player in the history of the game Ronaldo, Yohan "better then prime Xavi" Modric Toni Kroos, Ozil better then Xavi/Iniesta combined, Angel "the second coming of Garrincha" Di Maria, Marcelo the greatest FB, Casillas greatest GK of all times, 2 of the greatest coaches of all times Mou/Carlo and still only manage that. Outside of that biggest achievement is 6 semifinal in CL.

Go read around what some of them say we made it to 6 semifinal were not ovarrated but now some act as of semifinal is nothing.

*sarcasm off*

At least we have CL to show for it? what does Guardiola have to show for with Buyern ? Bundesfodder trophies after buying their title rival's players and big ass whopping trophy from Madrid in CL semi ?

At least he wins that not like Madrid who not only buy some of the best talent in Spain, but also abroad and blow 60-80M on a player, but only manage to win 1 league.