Guardiola has failed Bayern Munich

At least he wins that not like Madrid who not only buy some of the best talent in Spain, but also abroad and blow 60-80M on a player, but only manage to win 1 league.

I mean tbf Adit Guardiola's trophy load in the last six years himself is probably double if not more than double Madrid's so I'm not sure what your point there is

Madrid fans posting in this thread are embarrassing themselves.

What a bunch of clowns.

The way these guys are going I think after 28 may Admins may have to move RM section to Rest of the world along with Chelsea.

futbol wrote:Pep's opponents in 3 years up until the semis were:

Arsenal
Moyes' United
Donezk
Porto
Juventus
Benfica

Bayern on paper were overwhelming favourites against all of these teams bar Juventus where they were a minute away from messing up. So "3 semis in a row" is a rather meaningless statistic to suggercoat that everytime Pep faces any half decent team, he struggles big time. This dates back to his Barca time as well. It's still inexcuseable for me to get wrecked on the counter against 10 men Di Matteo's Chelsea when already 2-0 up. About as 1-dimensional as it gets. Attack at all costs at all times. A glorified Paco Jémez.

I do agree that he plays nice tippy-tappy football against Darmstadt though.

You are right. However, it is certainly excusable to get outplayed and lose against 10 man Madrid the Clasico right after Cruyff's passing. 1-1 going into the last minutes against 10 men. What does it matter? So what if we lost. So what that we would be celebrating a league title today if not for those dropped points.
And it is certainly excusable to get outplayed by 9 men Atletico at home in the same season.

Alex and futbol better love story then Twilight.

Barca fans and talking about dead sections you can barely create a thread in your section as it is and you are about to win a double

It's funny how instead of providing arguments on why Guardiola has not failed in his Bayern stint, we have a bunch of petty arguments like "What has your club won", "You are clowns" etc...

Almost as if winning Bundesliga with the richest club by FAR, the club which can sign any player they want in said league is the same as competing against 2 of the top 5 clubs in the world for a league title.

Guardiola winning Bundesliga with Buyern is as much of an achievement as Neill Lennon winning the Scottish Premier League. Only Lennin couldn't sign Rangers' players, so it's probably even less of an achievement.

But apparently he has "revolutionised" football by making his team play tippy tappy football

urbaNRoots wrote:It's funny how instead of providing arguments on why Guardiola has not failed in his Bayern stint, we have a bunch of petty arguments like "What has your club won", "You are clowns" etc...

Almost as if winning Bundesliga with the richest club by FAR, the club which can sign any player they want in said league is the same as competing against 2 of the top 5 clubs in the world for a league title.

Guardiola winning Bundesliga with Buyern is as much of an achievement as Neill Lennon winning the Scottish Premier League. Only Lennin couldn't sign Rangers' players, so it's probably even less of an achievement.

True. Still played the most attractive football Bayern has ever played in their history tho

Best Bayern of all time

Hapless_Hans wrote:Madrid fans posting in this thread are embarrassing themselves.

What a bunch of clowns.

I should exempt Demon here who made a sensible post.

Dont give me that cr@p. It's just as stupid as saying anyone can take BM to the league title such as your moms grandmother/grandfather's, your dog or cat, etc guess what the day they do then come talk to me. An invalid argument.

If winning six titles with a possible 7 in 3 years is considered failure then give me such a failure.

urbaNRoots wrote:It's funny how instead of providing arguments on why Guardiola has not failed in his Bayern stint, we have a bunch of petty arguments like "What has your club won", "You are clowns" etc...

Almost as if winning Bundesliga with the richest club by FAR, the club which can sign any player they want in said league is the same as competing against 2 of the top 5 clubs in the world for a league title.

Guardiola winning Bundesliga with Buyern is as much of an achievement as Neill Lennon winning the Scottish Premier League. Only Lennin couldn't sign Rangers' players, so it's probably even less of an achievement.

You are the guy who compared him to Wenger right. I have seen a lot of comparisons but that is by far the worst.
Bayern have won 4 in a row for the first time. That is a great achievement no matter how cynical you are.

halamadrid2 wrote:But apparently he has "revolutionised" football by making his team play tippy tappy football

He has revolutionized football. He will go down in the annals of the game as a footballing genius who revolutionized the game,up there with the likes of Gusztáv Sebes, Cruyff and Arrigo Sacchi.

urbaNRoots wrote:It's funny how instead of providing arguments on why Guardiola has not failed in his Bayern stint, we have a bunch of petty arguments like "What has your club won", "You are clowns" etc...

Yep, too many garbage posts, cba to dismantle them

Just book this for GL WM 33 card

futbol v alex
me v Hans
rincon v sport
Pep the Fraud Battle Royale
rwo vs ......zizou
cas, mole, CSpurs vs M99, RG and McAgger

Pep is winning a league against a team that they weaken every transfer season. Maybe not by purpose but Dortmund have to work 10x harder than Bayern for the title because their players continue to jump ship every summer. It has become routine now for their best player to join Bayern. Bayern usually win the league by bloody March

He did well at Barca definitely but nobody rates Enrique bar fusbal despite him winning nearly as many trophies as Pep did in his time there without Xaviesta in their prime. Why dont i hear that he is the best thing that graced the earth with his prescence like people claim about Pep.

Maybe he was unlucly to play the Spanish big 3 in the semi as opposed to City but against every single one of those teams you saw the same flaw that he refused or was not able to rectify the following year

The fact that people say that "oh well he reached the semi x amount of times in x amount of years" is pure clutching at straws. No other fan would be happy about such a feat when all you do is get knocked out at that stage for the same reason each time. Frankly it is embarassing. They should keep it on the low not shout it from the roof tops as if it is some nice achievement

Nobody rates Enrique because his team doesnt play the same awe inspiring otherworldly brand of football that Pep's Barca did.
Unlike Pep, Enrique has also not revolutionized the game.
Pep is a pioneer and a genius. Enrique is neither. He is a good manager but Pep is something else.

It's because people notice what Pep does look at what his current and ex players say about him, what coaches and pundits etc all say. People notice his work and what he brings.

No one is saying he didn't underachieving with BM in Europe but people make it seem out to be if he gored knocked out in the group stages or early KO rounds.

At the end to call his overall BM time as a failure just stupid talk and to label him as a fraud overall is even more

Basically Muller's penalty seperated Pep from being GOAT and Failure. Sometimes results doesnt tell everything

See Zidane did nothing and he is in the final thanks to his luck

Labelling Pep a genious is subjective. I dont agree with that at all

The only reason people fawn over Pep is because of what he did at Barca. All those trophies are what cemented him as a genious in people's eyes. The style was just a bonus. I agree that the style that Barca played under him was aesthetically very pleasing. He isnt the only one Paco Jemez also makes his team play nice football at the end of the day such football will not get you anywhere. It was only done with Barca because they had the players to execute it. He hasnt been able to do the same with Bayern because their players are not suited for such football. Square peg round hole etc etc

He hasnt been a failure, faaar from it but to use CL semis as a reason for him being successful is really poor. Maybe winning the bundesliga is harder than it looks, who knows

If you cant see that his tactics were revolutionary and tinged with genius, then we have nothing to discuss.

It's only being used because people again make it seem he got knocked early in the stages let me ask you would perfer a semifinal knock out or early round as a success? With the squad he should've done better yes, but to label him a failure which over his time at BM is just dumb.

It's no difference to people claiming RM have  had an easy run to the semifinal in the last 6 years with the only decent team you met before then being Fergie United and Atleti. Doesn't take away from the fact they got their and made two finals winning one and another to still go.

BM have always been taking the best talent around Germany but they aren't always winning the league

lets be honest here. peps barca were the best football team to ever take the field

alexjanosik wrote:
You are the guy who compared him to Wenger right. I have seen a lot of comparisons but that is by far the worst.
Bayern have won 4 in a row for the first time. That is a great achievement no matter how cynical you are.

Sorry it's not an impressive achievement. Just what is expected on the current poor state of the league.

Even a proven league flop Ancelotti will win Bundesliga twice in a row.. Are you willing to bet on that?

@WIC & Alex, early knock out of Semi means them same thing. No trophy and you dont celebrate not winning a trophy. Maybe Pep can celebrate it on a personal level but as a fan that is nothing to be happy about. He isnt a failure and I dont think that was what RG meant. A failure would be someone winning nothing in the 3 years and that is clearly not true

It is not even about the squad, it is about the tactics he chose to use which answers your question Alex, if he doesnt progress with his team using the approach that he came up with then there is nothing to praise. For example would you praise his time at Barca if he made you play tiki taka and you won nothing in the years he was there?? At the end of the day it is only about winning and if you play nice football while at it then that is just a bonus. If you dont win anything then the football you came up with will quickly be forgotten

halamadrid2 wrote:Bayern usually win the league by bloody March

Really? Interestingly Leicester actually won the PL before Bayern won the Bundesliga this season (which was only two day ago, btw). And if Tuchel wouldn't have decided to play the reserves in the Revierderby and gotten 3 points there, I'm pretty sure ther still could have been a surprise (or at least an even closer run in with the Buli only decided on the last matchday as I doubt Dortmund would have folded against Frankfurt then).