Guardiola has failed Bayern Munich

Lahm as Bayern's manager would have won them Bundesliga in the last 3 years so lets not bring that up. Guardiola has regressed Bayern overall. Bayern were in two CL finals in 4 years before pep, winning one of them.

Heynckes bayern were far more lethal than this flaccid team I see.

inb4thelock.

They should sack him now for lulz

Bayern in 2012-13 was one of the greatest teams of all time. The domination was unbelievable. This fraud came in and did nothing even when they added more superstars to his team

Don't call me James wrote:Bayern in 2012-13 was one of the greatest teams of all time. The domination was unbelievable. This fraud came in and did nothing even when they added more superstars to his team

I'll never forgive the hipster over this. Carlo Madrid vs Heynckes Bayern I would pay a left arm and right testicle to watch.

Moyes-esque.

Don't call me James wrote:Bayern in 2012-13 was one of the greatest teams of all time. The domination was unbelievable. This fraud came in and did nothing even when they added more superstars to his team

Pep has failed considering the expectations but this myth needs to stop.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Don't call me James wrote:Bayern in 2012-13 was one of the greatest teams of all time. The domination was unbelievable. This fraud came in and did nothing even when they added more superstars to his team

Pep has failed considering the expectations but this myth needs to stop.

It's not a myth.

I don't know.  Semis against teams like Real Madrid, Barca and Atleti are all 50/50.  

I think, like PSG, Bayern have so little competition in Bundi that they're not hardened enough when they face these kinds of games.  It's not a coincidence that they were at their best when Dortmund was elite too.  Now, it's just Bayern.

They only have themselves to blame because they sabotaged Dortmund.

False. Bayern Munich have failed Pep imho.

can't believe moal of all people is the most rational person on the forum when it comes to Pep and Heynckes Bayern

Winter is Coming wrote:False. Bayern Munich have failed Pep imho.

How?

This dortmund is MUCH more compeitive in Bundesliga than at 12/13 when Bayern were at their best.

Going out on away goals to Atletico is somehow bad?

People sure want to have it both ways. Praise Atletico and then slam someone getting knocked out by them.

I love football.

urbaNRoots wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Don't call me James wrote:Bayern in 2012-13 was one of the greatest teams of all time. The domination was unbelievable. This fraud came in and did nothing even when they added more superstars to his team

Pep has failed considering the expectations but this myth needs to stop.

It's not a myth.

Except it is, they were lucky to win the final to start with. They destroyed a Barca team without a manager and hardly any of it's key players whoop to doo.

You lot act like if they kept their manager they would have continued to dominate when nobody ever has since the CL's inception.

It's a massive myth, if they were as dominant as you say they wouldn't have needed a few large favours from the referee in the final to defeat Dortmund.

Don't call me James wrote:Bayern in 2012-13 was one of the greatest teams of all time. The domination was unbelievable. This fraud came in and did nothing even when they added more superstars to his team

Best team of all time
Did nothing

Please delete your account. Never heard for idiocy combined in one post in my lifetime.

Those youtube experts again .

This was probably one of our best CL performances of the last years against one of the best teams which has constantly the other two best teams ins the world (real,barca) over the last years.
We completely outplayed Athletico and made one mistake.

pep is a great manager no doubt, but he deserves to get called a fraud, for hipsters tripping over themselves to award him the best ever, just because he switch players around and trashes weak teams, he still has a lot to prove outside of prime xavi,iniesta and messi, as i said before his bayern tenure is overrated.

rincon wrote:This dortmund is MUCH more compeitive in Bundesliga than at 12/13 when Bayern were at their best.

You're joking, right?

They went to the CL final in 2012/2013.  They also had Lewa and Gotze to go with Reus on the attack...  not to mention a healthy Gundogan.

The issue was that they started horribly due to early season injuries.  But the Bayern-Dortmund games were top top quality.  Leverkusen and Schalke gave them tough games too as they were very talented.  Even as they ran away with the league... they still got competitive rivalry games against top talent.

It's about have those high intensity games where you're not overwhelming the opponent with your talent.

This was absolutely amazing performance by Bayern. They had no luck. If Muller didnt miss penalty it would end 4-0 considering Atletico would attack and forget defending

sportsczy wrote:

rincon wrote:This dortmund is MUCH more compeitive in Bundesliga than at 12/13 when Bayern were at their best.

You're joking, right?

They went to the CL final in 2012/2013. They also had Lewa and Gotze to go with Reus on the attack... not to mention a healthy Gundogan.

The issue was that they started horribly due to early season injuries. But the Bayern-Dortmund games were top top quality. Leverkusen and Schalke gave them tough games too as they were very talented. Even as they ran away with the league... they still got competitive rivalry games against top talent.

How is Bayern running ramapant on the league and winning it by 25 points PSG style keep them sharper than than still having to play for the title with 2 matchdays left

chad4401 wrote:pep is a great manager no doubt, but he deserves to get called a fraud, for hipsters tripping over themselves to award him the best ever, just because he switch players around and trashes weak teams, he still has a lot to prove outside of prime xavi,iniesta and messi, as i said before his bayern tenure is overrated.

True, but people judge him differently regardless, had that Been Messi/Ronaldo missing the PK like Mueller or Suarez/Neymar/Bale/Benz missing sitters like Lewa we wouldn't hear the end of it. Instead its all Pep fault.

If Heynckes name was Guardiola people would be discrediting his Bayern for the squad he inherited. "My mother's brother's stepson could have coached that team and they would have won the CL"

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:Those youtube experts again .

This was probably one of our best CL performances of the last years against one of the best teams which has constantly the other two best teams ins the world (real,barca) over the last years.
We completely outplayed Athletico and made one mistake.

All Atleti games make you feel like you were better but somehow lost... it's false comfort. This is how they set you up. They suck you in and hit you with the counter attack.

The kid Jimenez isn't as solid as Miranda... the occasion got to him a little and he made some weird mistakes. Other than that, they played the way they always do.

rincon wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

rincon wrote:This dortmund is MUCH more compeitive in Bundesliga than at 12/13 when Bayern were at their best.

You're joking, right?

They went to the CL final in 2012/2013.  They also had Lewa and Gotze to go with Reus on the attack...  not to mention a healthy Gundogan.

The issue was that they started horribly due to early season injuries.  But the Bayern-Dortmund games were top top quality.  Leverkusen and Schalke gave them tough games too as they were very talented.  Even as they ran away with the league... they still got competitive rivalry games against top talent.

How is Bayern running ramapant on the league and winning it by 25 points PSG style keep them sharper than than still having to play for the title with 2 matchdays left

It's not about the league table.  That's not my point.  It's about playing those games where you get pushed around and don't have overwhelming talent.  Dortmund games pushed Bayern around back then...  as did, to a lesser extent, Schalke and Leverkusen.  CL elimination rounds are about those team v team matchups and preparation.  If you have to do that in your league or league cup, then you get prepared.  You learn about your players and your tactics so that when CL elimination rounds come around, you're better prepared.

They could be up 50 points on Dortmund, Schalke and Leverkusen and those teams would still battle Bayern like crazy... and Bayern fans/board would not stand for losing to them. It's like the clasico this year in the second game. We were 12 points back at the time. Despite what Barca fans say, that game is always going to get played with high intensity with team giving 100%.