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Post by Harmonica on Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:46 am

Added Zlatan.

Goals against Top 5 SA/Euro nations (Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Colombia, Chile, Germany, Spain, France, Italy, England)

15 Messi (playmaker)
11 Suarez (striker)
9 Zlatan (striker)
9 Neymar (playmaker)
2 Benzema (striker)
1 Bale (playmaker)
1 Cronaldo (striker)

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Post by Based Bonera on Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:13 pm

Lol

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:52 am

Goals against Top 5 SA/Euro nations (Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Colombia, Chile, Germany, Spain, France, Italy, England)

15 Messi (playmaker)
11 Suarez (striker)
9 Zlatan (striker)
9 Neymar (playmaker)
8 Higuain (striker)
2 Benzema (striker)
1 Bale (playmaker)
1 Cronaldo (striker)[/quote]

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by terrance511 on Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:45 am

wow higuain is kind of good for his nt


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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:11 am

Added Griezmann.


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Post by Harmonica on Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:32 pm

Major tournament sf and final matches (WC, EU/CA, EC/CL)

Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved)

Messi 29 (8 + 9 + 12) out of 34 team goals in 24 games = 85% importance (+ 2 SO goals and 1 miss)
Maradona 5 (2 + 1 + 2) out of 6 team goals in 5 games = 83% importance (+1 SO goal)
Platini 13 (6 (3p) + 4 + 3) put of 16 team goals in 10 games = 81% importance (+1 SO goal)
Pele 21 (13 (1p) + 6 + 2) out of 30 team goals in 9 games = 70% importance
G.Müller 21 (18 + 0 + 3) out of 32 team goals in 16 games = 66% importance
Zidane 22 (10 (3p) + 5 + 7) out of 35 team goals in 20 games = 63% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
C.Ronaldo 20 (14 (3p) + 5 + 1) out of 35 team goals in 28 games = 57% importance (+ 1 SO goal and 2 misses)
Eusebio 10 (7 (2p) + 1 + 2) out of 18 team goals in 13 games = 56% importance
Romario 6 (3 + 0 + 3) out of 11 team goals in 5 games = 55% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
Ronaldo 11 (7 + 2 + 2) out of 22 team goals in 10 games = 50% importance
Iniesta 14 (3 + 5 + 6) out of 30 team goals in 23 games = 47% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
Xavi 16 (1 + 7 + 8 ) out of 35 team goals in 25 games = 46% importance
Cruyff 8 (3 + 2 + 3) out of 18 team goals in 14 games = 44% importance

Note: missing Pele CL65 SF where he at least scored 3 goals of 8 in 3 games
Note: missing Eusebio EC65 SF where he at least scored 2 goals of 8 in 3 games

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:04 am



Orgasms everywhere. smoking

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:33 pm

Not only the most productive but most important big game NT-player ever.

Major NT-tournament sf and final matches (WC, EU/CA)

Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved)

Messi 11 (2 + 5 + 4) out of 13 team goals in 8 games = 85% importance (+ 2 SO goals and 1 miss)
Maradona 5 (2 + 1 + 2) out of 6 team goals in 5 games = 83% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
Pele 11 (6 + 3 + 2) out of 17 team goals in 4 games = 65% importance
Zidane 6 (5 (3 pen) + 0 + 1) out of 11 team goals in 7 games = 55% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
Ronaldo 10 (6 + 2 + 2) out of 19 team goals in 8 games = 53% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
Cruyff 1 (0 + 1 + 0) out of 2 team goals in 2 games = 50% importance

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:56 pm

Added G.Müller.

Major NT-tournament sf and final matches (WC, EU/CA)

Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved)

Messi 11 (2 + 5 + 4) out of 13 team goals in 8 games = 85% importance (+ 2 SO goals and 1 miss)
Maradona 5 (2 + 1 + 2) out of 6 team goals in 5 games = 83% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
G.Müller 7 (7 + 0 + 0) out of 10 team goals in 4 games = 70% importance
Pele 11 (6 + 3 + 2) out of 17 team goals in 4 games = 65% importance
Zidane 6 (5 (3 pen) + 0 + 1) out of 11 team goals in 7 games = 55% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
Ronaldo 10 (6 + 2 + 2) out of 19 team goals in 8 games = 53% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
Cruyff 1 (0 + 1 + 0) out of 2 team goals in 2 games = 50% importance

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:39 am

http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/messi-no-pone-telefono-maradona-5269516 rofl

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:39 pm

Mourinho - "For me the top three players in history are Messi, Pele and Maradona."

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by halamadrid2 on Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:29 am

Messi's new hairdo. What the f. Harmonica please explain this

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by M99 on Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:31 am

He is looking more and more like a rentboy.

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by zigra on Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:16 am

LMAO
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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:30 am

It finally happened. :bow:

I feel almost sorry for rest of the players.

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:10 am

Juan Riquelme - "In my humble opinion, they should ask Messi who he wants as coach of Argentina."

"The coach should even be asking Messi who he wants on the team. The coach should put the team together with Messi, make sure he his happy because he is the only one who can lead us to victory."

"Issue here is that Messi must feel at home. The more comfortable he feels, the bigger lead he will give us."

"I hope all of Argentina bands together to convince him to return to defend the shirt of his home country."

"Sometimes people are bothered by this but we have to be aware that when you have the best, you must take care of him."

Coachessi to lead Argentina to treble like Barcelona? hmm

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 am

Pope Francis - "Messi is better than Pele and Maradona."

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by juve_gigi on Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:09 am

@Harmonica wrote:Pope Francis - "Messi is better than Pele and Maradona."


JESUS - "Maradona is the greatest player of all time. Pope Francis was not my choice..."

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:21 pm

Alba - "Many substitutes have won the Euros, World Cup or Champions League without contributing anything. In the end, it's what a player does on the pitch that counts and Messi has been the best."

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by juve_gigi on Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:48 pm

PELE - "Cristiano Ronaldo is better than Lionel Messi.  At the moment the best player in the world is Ronaldo. I admire him, if I had to set up a national team he would be my first pick. But in the meantime I feel sorry because today and the last five years, you just mention two big stars. Some years ago, you had a lot of players."

El Kommander... Molenation

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:38 am

Most and most consistent notable performances in major NT-tournaments as a starter, based on official selections.

ToT = team of the tournament
SoT = squad of the tournament

Messi
CA07 Top 3 (MVP shortlist)
WC10 Top 10 (Golden Ball shortlist)
CA11 ToT

WC14 Golden Ball
CA15 MVP

CA16 ToT
6/6

Ronaldo
CA97 MVP
WC98 Golden Ball

CA99 Golden Boot
WC02 Silver Ball
WC06
4/5

Zidane
EU96
WC98 Top 10 (Golden Ball shortlist)
EU00 Best Player
EU04 SoT
WC06 Golden Ball
4/5

Pele
(left out WC62 because no all-stars selections)
WC58 Silver Ball
CA59-1 MVP
WC66
WC70
3/4

Maradona
(left out CA79, CA87 and CA89 because no all-stars selections)
WC82 Top 10 (Golden Ball shortlist)
WC86 Golden Ball
WC90 Bronze Ball
WC94

3/4


Xavi
WC06
EU08 Best Player
WC10 Top 10 (Golden Ball shortlist)
EU12  SoT

WC14
3/5

Iniesta
EU08 SoT
WC10 Top 10 (Golden Ball shorlist)

EU12 Best Player
WC14
EU16

3/5

Cruyff
WC74 Golden Ball

EU76
1/2


Cronaldo
EU04 SoT
WC06
EU08
WC10

EU12 SoT
WC14
EU16 ToT
3/7

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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Harmonica on Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:32 am

Seven shades of brilliance, or how I learned not to hate but understand why Messi is the best NT-player ever.

1st argument.


No one has dominated three major NT-tournaments with three other "name" players failing him each time. Not Maradona, not Zidane, not Pele.

2nd argument.

His World Cup career is the best when related to career importance in results, by far.

World Cup Career

Performance Index (importance in success, win %*importance %, max 1.00)

0.65 Messi
0.62 G.Müller
0.60 Schillaci
0.59 Eusebio
0.56 Villa
0.55 Romario
0.53 Robben
0.52 Cruyff
0.51 Pele
0.46 Baggio
0.46 Rossi
0.45 Sneijder
0.45 T.Müller
0.43 Ronaldo
0.43 Forlan
0.40 Batistuta
0.40 Suker
0.40 Maradona
0.37 Zico
0.37 Jairzinho
0.36 Lato
0.35 Zidane
0.32 Klose
0.31 Deyna
0.29 Ardiles
0.28 Stoichkov
0.27 P.Falcao
0.25 Kempes
0.25 Dirceu
0.17 C.Ronaldo
0.17 Charlton

Longevity Index (longevity of importance in success, Performance Index * (matches/ Klose matches), max 1.00)

0.41 Messi
0.35 Maradona
0.34 Ronaldo
0.34 G.Müller
0.33 Robben
0.32 Sneijder
0.32 Klose
0.31 Baggio
0.30 Lato
0.30 Pele
0.28 Villa
0.27 Rossi
0.24 Jairzinho
0.24 T.Müller
0.22 Zico
0.20 Batistuta
0.19 Kempes
0.18 Romario
0.18 Forlan
0.18 Zidane
0.18 Schillaci
0.17 Deyna
0.15 Cruyff
0.15 Eusebio
0.13 Ardiles
0.13 Suker
0.13 Dirceu
0.12 Stoichkov
0.10 Charlton
0.09 C.Ronaldo
0.08 P.Falcao

Matches (Won - Drawn - Lost)

Pele 14 (12 - 1 - 1) = 86% win
P.Falcao 7 (6 - 0 - 1) = 86% win
Schillaci 7 (6 - 0 - 1) = 86% win
T.Müller 13 (11 - 1 - 1) = 85% win
G.Müller 13 (11 - 0 - 2) = 85% win
Ronaldo 19 (16 - 0 - 3) = 84% win
Eusebio 6 (5 - 0 - 1) = 83% win
Messi 15 (12 - 1 - 2) = 80% win
Robben 15 (12 - 0 - 3) = 80% win
Romario 8 (6 - 2 - 0) = 75% win
Cruyff 7 (5 - 1 - 1) = 71% win
Sneijder 17 (12 - 2 - 3) = 71% win
Deyna 13 (9 - 1 - 3) = 69% win
Klose 24 (16 - 6 - 3) = 67% win
Maradona 21 (14 - 2 - 5) = 67% win
Zidane 12 (8 - 3 - 1) = 67% win
Villa 12 (8 - 1 - 3) = 67% win
Zico 14 (9 - 3 - 2) = 64% win
Jairzinho 16 (10 - 2 - 4) = 63% win
Suker 8 (5 - 0 - 3) = 63% win
Lato 20 (12 - 4 - 4) = 60% win
Batistuta 12 (7 - 1 - 4) = 58% win
Rossi 14 (8 - 4 - 2) = 57% win
Charlton 14 (8 - 2 - 4) = 57% win
Baggio 16 (9 - 3 - 4) = 56% win
Ardiles 11 (6 - 1 - 4) = 54% win
Dirceu 12 (6 - 3 - 3) = 50% win
Forlan 10 (5 - 1 - 4) = 50% win
C.Ronaldo 13 (6 - 3 - 4) = 46% win
Kempes 18 (8 - 4 - 6) = 44% win
Stoichkov 10 (4 - 1 - 5) = 40% win

Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved)

Forlan 12 (6 (1p) + 1 + 5) out of 14 team goals = 86% (+1 SO goal)
Villa 10 (9 (2p) + 1 + 0) out of 12 team goals = 83%
Baggio 14 (9 (2p) + 2 + 3) out of 17 team goals = 82% (+1 SO miss and goal)
Messi 18 (5 + 6 + 7) out of 22 team goals = 82% (+1 SO goal)
Rossi 17 (9 + 3 + 5) out of 21 team goals = 81%
G.Müller 22 (14 (1p) + 6 + 2) out of 30 team goals = 73%
Cruyff 11 (4 + 4 + 3) out of 15 team goals = 73%
Romario 8 (5 + 3 + 0) out of 11 team goals = 73% (+1 SO goal)
Eusebio 12 (9 (4p) + 2 + 1) out of 17 team goals = 71%
Schillaci 7 (6 (1p) + 1 + 0) out of 10 team goals = 70%
Stoichkov 7 (6 (3p) + 1 + 0) out of 10 team goals = 70%
Batistuta 13 (10 (4p) + 2 + 1) out of 19 team goals = 68%
Robben 18 (6 + 5 + 7) out of 27 team goals = 67% (+2 SO goals)
Sneijder 16 (6 + 3 + 7) out of 25 team goals = 64% (+1 SO miss and goal)
Suker 7 (6 (1p) + 0 + 1) out of 11 team goals = 64%
Lato 20 (10 + 8 + 2) out of 33 team goals = 61%
Pele 22 (12 + 8 + 2) out of 37 team goals = 59%
Maradona 19 (8 + 8 + 3) out of 32 team goals = 59% (+1 SO miss and goal)
Jairzinho 17 (9 + 3 + 5) out of 29 team goals = 59%
Zico 11 (5 (1p) + 5 + 1) out of 19 team goals = 58% (+1 SO goal)
Kempes 17 (6 + 6 + 5) out of 30 team goals = 57%
Ardiles 8 (1 + 2 + 5) out of 15 team goals = 53%
T.Müller 18 (10 (1p) + 6 + 2) out of 34 team goals = 53%
Zidane 9 (5 (2p) + 2 + 2) out of 17 team goals = 53% (+1 SO goal)
Ronaldo 21 (15 (1p) + 6 + 0) out of 41 team goals = 51% (+1 SO goal)
Dirceu 6 (3 + 1 + 2) out of 12 team goals = 50%
Klose 20 (16 + 3 + 1) out of 42 team goals = 48%
Deyna 10 (4 (1p) + 1 + 5) out of 22 team goals = 45%
C.Ronaldo 6 (3 (1p) + 2 + 1) out of 16 team goals = 38% (+1 SO goal)
P.Falcao 5 (3 + 1 + 1) out of 16 team goals = 31 %
Charlton 6 (4 + 0 + 2) out of 20 team goals = 30%

3rd argument.


No national career low. Messi's lowest finish is QF in CA11 with a defeat to eventual champions, creating the only Argentinian goal and scoring the first penalty in SO, individually in team of the tournament. Or 5th place in WC10 losing to Germany having no tactics Maradona as a coach, being in Top 10 (Golden Ball shortlist).

National career lows:

Cruyff - Netherlands lost with and won without Cruyff in EURO76 finals
Di Stefano - Failed to qualify with Spain to WC58 with the likes of Gento, Suarez and Kubala
Maradona - Lost 3 games out of 5 in WC82 with defending champions, who won WC78 without him
Pele - WC66 exit in group stage with defending champions, who won WC62 without him
Zidane - WC02 exit in group stage after defeat to Denmark

4th argument.

Since they started giving Man of the Match performance's officially, Messi has been producing most of them and with clearly the highest frequency, making him the best national team player of modern era. In comparison to Messi's 8, only other player who achieved 2 Best Player Performance's, Zidane achieved just 3 MoM during this stint.



5th argument.

Messi WC14 is relatively the best World Cup performance with Maradona WC86, since they started recording all the matches in World Cup (1966). More: http://www.goallegacy.net/t36526-most-controversial-world-cup-golden-ball-s-since-1966

World Cup performance index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team. Color highlighted as golden, silver, bronze ball, or not in Top 3.

1.
Maradona 86
Messi 14

3.
Kempes 78
4.
Jairzinho 70

5.
Robben 14
Cruyff 74
7.
Forlan 10
8.
Romario 94
9.
Eusebio 66
Pele 70
Rossi 82

12.
G.Müller 70
Schillaci 90
Suker 98
15.
Ronaldo 02
Charlton 66
17.
Ronaldo 98
18.
Zidane 06

6th argument

Not only the most productive but most important big game NT-player ever.

Major NT-tournament sf and final matches (WC, EU/CA)

Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved)

Messi 11 (2 + 5 + 4) out of 13 team goals in 8 games = 85% importance (+ 2 SO goals and 1 miss)
Maradona 5 (2 + 1 + 2) out of 6 team goals in 5 games = 83% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
Platini 6 (3 (1 pen) + 1 + 2) out of 8 team goals in 4 games = 75% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
G.Müller 7 (7 + 0 + 0) out of 10 team goals in 4 games = 70% importance
Pele 11 (6 + 3 + 2) out of 17 team goals in 4 games = 65% importance
Xavi out of 6 (1 + 4 + 1) out of 10 team goals in 6 games = 60% importance
Zidane 6 (5 (3 pen) + 0 + 1) out of 11 team goals in 7 games = 55% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
Ronaldo 10 (6 + 2 + 2) out of 19 team goals in 8 games = 53% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
Romario 4 (3 + 0 + 1) out of 8 team goals in 3 games = 50% importance (+ 1 SO goal)
Cruyff 1 (0 + 1 + 0) out of 2 team goals in 2 games = 50% importance

7th argument.

Most and most consistent notable performances in major NT-tournaments as a starter, based on official selections.

ToT = team of the tournament
SoT = squad of the tournament

Messi
CA07 Top 3 (MVP shortlist)
WC10 Top 10 (Golden Ball shortlist)
CA11 ToT

WC14 Golden Ball
CA15 MVP

CA16 ToT
6/6

Ronaldo
CA97 MVP
WC98 Golden Ball

CA99 Golden Boot
WC02 Silver Ball
WC06
4/5

Zidane
EU96
WC98 Top 10 (Golden Ball shortlist)
EU00 Best Player
EU04 SoT
WC06 Golden Ball
4/5

Pele
(left out WC62 because no all-stars selections)
WC58 Silver Ball
CA59-1 MVP
WC66
WC70
3/4

Maradona
(left out CA79, CA87 and CA89 because no all-stars selections)
WC82 Top 10 (Golden Ball shortlist)
WC86 Golden Ball
WC90 Bronze Ball
WC94

3/4


Xavi
WC06
EU08 Best Player
WC10 Top 10 (Golden Ball shortlist)
EU12  SoT

WC14
3/5

Iniesta
EU08 SoT
WC10 Top 10 (Golden Ball shorlist)

EU12 Best Player
WC14
EU16

3/5

Cruyff
WC74 Golden Ball

EU76
1/2


Cronaldo
EU04 SoT
WC06
EU08
WC10

EU12 SoT
WC14
EU16 ToT
3/7


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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by rincon on Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:40 am

Counter argument:

Messi with blond hair looks ridiculous
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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by zigra on Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:43 am

Dead
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Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club III

Post by Kebab on Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:32 am

@rincon wrote:Counter argument:

Messi with blond hair looks ridiculous
This is the purpose of the color. Messi did it to look ridiculous. You can see messi also smiles when others laugh at him. He knows it looks ridiculous. This is a proven way to get out of depression
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