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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Myesyats Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:13 pm
"Level of water in Oceans is rising by 2mm every year" 
you should ask polar bears about this, they don't seem to complain about the shortage of ice
you should ask polar bears about this, they don't seem to complain about the shortage of ice
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by rincon Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:16 pm
That's what I get for trying to drive some sense into you, more catchy headlines, misinterpreted data, no response to any of my question, and no response to any of what I wrote. 
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by BarrileteCosmico Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:22 pm
Myesyats wrote:"Level of water in Oceans is rising by 2mm every year"
you should ask polar bears about this, they don't seem to complain about the shortage of ice
You serious mate?
http://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Threats-to-Wildlife/Global-Warming/Effects-on-Wildlife-and-Habitat/Polar-Bears.aspx
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Myesyats Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:24 pm
If these are your scientists then why should they be believed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UHoVsBV5gc
The cruise to prove that the ice is melting and mankind is doomed halted by thick ice.
Does it get more ironic?
You know what American scientists have also discovered? That in Africa, every 60 seconds a minute passes... Overwhelming discovery!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UHoVsBV5gc
The cruise to prove that the ice is melting and mankind is doomed halted by thick ice.
Does it get more ironic?
You know what American scientists have also discovered? That in Africa, every 60 seconds a minute passes... Overwhelming discovery!
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by rincon Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:27 pm
Fun exercise. Click your own link, the source you provided. Find the hiperlink to the page that they cite for the ice level and stuff. Click that one, read it, get back to us.
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Pedram Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:30 pm
Myesyats wrote:I know how this process works Babun, but yeah, the ice on poles is totally melting!
Throwback to the day when a group of scientists went on a cruise to prove that the ice there is melting and had to be rescued because they got trapped, listen closely my fellow companions, YES they got trapped in record-level Atlantic ice
http://www.infowars.com/global-warming-scientists-still-trapped-in-record-level-antarctic-ice/
lmao you lost all the credibility (if you had any) the moment you cited info wars as source, do you realize Alex Jones is a right-wing nutjob ?
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Myesyats Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:31 pm
The Medieval Warm Period was warmer than current conditions. This means recent warming is not unusual and hence must be natural, not man-made.
Evidence suggests that the Medieval Warm Period may have been warmer than today in many parts of the globe such as in the North Atlantic. This warming thereby allowed Vikings to travel further north than had been previously possible because of reductions in sea ice and land ice in the Arctic.
Evidence suggests that the Medieval Warm Period may have been warmer than today in many parts of the globe such as in the North Atlantic. This warming thereby allowed Vikings to travel further north than had been previously possible because of reductions in sea ice and land ice in the Arctic.
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by MJ Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:58 pm
Myesyats wrote:"Level of water in Oceans is rising by 2mm every year"
you should ask polar bears about this, they don't seem to complain about the shortage of ice
I'm going to use your tactic of taking an individual story from a mainstream media outlet to reinforce my narrative about a general issue.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/aug/06/starved-polar-bear-record-sea-ice-melt
Maybe they're not complaining because they're too busy starving to death?
EDIT: BarrileteCosmico beat me to it.
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Myesyats Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:59 pm
Climate scientist Dr. Murry Salby, Professor and Climate Chair at Macquarie University, Australia explains in a recent, highly-recommended lecture presented at Helmut Schmidt University, Hamburg, Germany, why man-made CO2 is not the driver of atmospheric CO2 or climate change:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ROw_cDKwc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ROw_cDKwc0
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Myesyats Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:11 pm
Climate change is not influenced by humans to a significant degree.
Current "warmth period" is not going to last forever, exactly the same as the Medieval warmth period.
Do you think people in the Middle Ages magically created the warming? They didn't. Did they do something to prevent the warming from happening? They didn't.
They didn't, because nature figures itself out eventually.
Current "warmth period" is not going to last forever, exactly the same as the Medieval warmth period.
Do you think people in the Middle Ages magically created the warming? They didn't. Did they do something to prevent the warming from happening? They didn't.
They didn't, because nature figures itself out eventually.
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Babun Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:39 pm
Myesyats wrote:Climate change is not influenced by humans to a significant degree.
Current "warmth period" is not going to last forever, exactly the same as the Medieval warmth period.
Do you think people in the Middle Ages magically created the warming? They didn't. Did they do something to prevent the warming from happening? They didn't.
They didn't, because nature figures itself out eventually.
What caused the global cooling in the middle ages? Why did it get warmer?
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Myesyats Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:30 pm
Ice ages have occurred when CO2 was at 2000 ppm to as high as 8000ppm (without human influence).
Most of the time CO2 levels have been at least 1000 (ppm) and it’s been quite higher than that.
Nowadays CO2 is at around 400ppm level and that is somehow alarming.
“As I have said, over and over again, the fundamental point has always been this: climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor (CO2), is as misguided as it gets,” UK Professor Emeritus of Biogeography Philip Stott
Global warming isn't happening because of the fact that people are driving cars or burning coal in their furnaces.
Most of the time CO2 levels have been at least 1000 (ppm) and it’s been quite higher than that.
Nowadays CO2 is at around 400ppm level and that is somehow alarming.
“As I have said, over and over again, the fundamental point has always been this: climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor (CO2), is as misguided as it gets,” UK Professor Emeritus of Biogeography Philip Stott
Global warming isn't happening because of the fact that people are driving cars or burning coal in their furnaces.
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by footyfan01 Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:38 pm
Why are we allowing illiterates in this forum? Poorly educated racist people!
If someone is comparing to pre-Human Civilization then it shows how clueless they are, dumb people listen to intelligent people & learn. There is a reason why Agriculture & Humanity thrived in the last few centuries because the climate settled into a solid range. Most educated people compare to pre-Industrialization phase 1880 odd. The current trend means that in general the planet will not be habitable after this century - Coast lying areas will be submerged.
Agriculture input will fall by 10-30% in the US as per official estimates for every 2C rise in temperatures. Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change says roughly 20-30% of the species are in risk of extinction. People will be fighting for limited resources as some areas become unlivable in the summer.
Our total C02 emission is more than 400 ppm now, it was has shot by 30-50% increase. C02 is measurable in the atmosphere. If you don't believe that C02 is a greenhouse gas, you honestly are illiterate. These are basic things you should learn in school - Go conduct a greenhouse gas test in those rooms which you should be doing !
Our temperatures are 0.8C warmer than pre-1880 & we are heading to 4C warming !
If someone is comparing to pre-Human Civilization then it shows how clueless they are, dumb people listen to intelligent people & learn. There is a reason why Agriculture & Humanity thrived in the last few centuries because the climate settled into a solid range. Most educated people compare to pre-Industrialization phase 1880 odd. The current trend means that in general the planet will not be habitable after this century - Coast lying areas will be submerged.
Agriculture input will fall by 10-30% in the US as per official estimates for every 2C rise in temperatures. Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change says roughly 20-30% of the species are in risk of extinction. People will be fighting for limited resources as some areas become unlivable in the summer.
Our total C02 emission is more than 400 ppm now, it was has shot by 30-50% increase. C02 is measurable in the atmosphere. If you don't believe that C02 is a greenhouse gas, you honestly are illiterate. These are basic things you should learn in school - Go conduct a greenhouse gas test in those rooms which you should be doing !
Our temperatures are 0.8C warmer than pre-1880 & we are heading to 4C warming !
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by footyfan01 Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:44 pm
Myesyats wrote:Ice ages have occurred when CO2 was at 2000 ppm to as high as 8000ppm (without human influence).
Most of the time CO2 levels have been at least 1000 (ppm) and it’s been quite higher than that.
Nowadays CO2 is at around 400ppm level and that is somehow alarming.
“As I have said, over and over again, the fundamental point has always been this: climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor (CO2), is as misguided as it gets,” UK Professor Emeritus of Biogeography Philip Stott
Global warming isn't happening because of the fact that people are driving cars or burning coal in their furnaces.
The pre-Industrialization C02 emission was less than 300. Do you believe C02 is a greenhouse gas? Yes or No, because if you are literate you should know this.
If you have to compare to Ice Age & pre-human civilization development, then you have lost the plot. This so-called scientist if funded by Big Oil & climate deniers. He was kicked off US Uni's for swindling funds.
As many as 97 to 99% of the Scientists in peer review journals admit to man made climate change. Every Single Government, UN Body, Inter-governmental body admit to man-made climate change.
So now we are going to peddle illiterate lies from ridiculous people?
The question is the future of human civilization not the earth. The earth will live on, maybe you are happy to see temperatures fluctuate like they did in the age of dinosaurs. They may & the earth will last. But human civilization won't, like the dinosaurs didn't.
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Myesyats Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:49 pm
If you want to educate yourself so much, then here you go.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/05/14/co2-nears-400-ppm-relax-its-not-global-warming-end-times-but-only-a-big-yawn-climate-depot-special-report/
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/05/14/co2-nears-400-ppm-relax-its-not-global-warming-end-times-but-only-a-big-yawn-climate-depot-special-report/
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by CBarca Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:59 pm
From reddit (explain it like i'm a five year old)
Dude, it's now at a point where I can personally, just from being outside and from what I remember being outside in the winter from my childhood can feel a difference on my own. Stop this. This is the kind of dangerous rhetoric that got us into this mess.
Oh, and linking a site where they advertise Alex Jones means you really are in your own right wing escapist world. As such, I'll leave this here and not try to convince you anymore, because you are beyond that.
- Climate change for a 5 year old (roughly the age of Myesyats (?)):
- In the last 650k years, Earth has gone through 7 periods of glacial advance and retreat. The last was 7k years ago, marking the end of the Ice Age.
CO2 was demonstrated to trap heat in the mid 19th century. In the course of the last 650k years, Earth atmospheric CO2 levels has never been above 300ppm, and we know that through mineral deposits, fossils, and arctic ice leaving telltale predictable signs of how much CO2 must have been in the air at the time. Today, CO2 is over 400ppm. Not only have we kept fantastic records pre-industrial revolution, especially the Swedes for centuries, but arctic ice has acted as a more recent history of the last several dozen centuries. CO2 levels has been growing at unprecedented rates and achieving levels higher than we've ever known to occur that wasn't in the wake of planetary disaster and mass extinction. It follows that if CO2 traps heat, and there's more CO2 in the atmosphere than ever before, it's going to trap more heat than ever before.
Sea levels are rising. 17cm over the last century. The last decade alone has seen twice the rise of the previous century. So not only are the oceans rising, but the rate of rise is increasing exponentially.
The Earth's average temperature has increased since 1880, most of that has been in the last 35 years. 15 of the 16 hottest years have been since 2001. We're in a period of solar decline, where the output of the sun cycles every 11 or so years. Despite the sun putting out less energy, the average continues to rise and in 2015 the Earth's average was 1C hotter on average than in 1890. That doesn't sound like much, but if we go some 0.7C hotter, we'll match the age of the dinosaurs when the whole planet was a tropical jungle. That's not a good thing.
The ice caps are losing mass. While we've seen cycles of recession and growth, you have to consider ice is more than area, it's also thickness and density. Yes, we've seen big sheets of ice form, but A) they didn't stay, and B) how thick were they? Greenland has lost 60 cubic miles of ice and Antarctica has lost at least 30 cubic miles, both in the last decade. Greenland is not denying global warming, they're feverishly building ports to poise themselves as one of the most valuable ocean trading hubs in the world as the northern pass is opening, and it's projected you'll be able to sail across the north pole, a place you can currently stand, year-round.
Glacier ice is retreating all over the world, in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.
The number of unprecedented intense weather events has been increasing since 1950 in the US. The number of record highs has been increasing, and record lows decreasing.
The ocean absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere. CO2 and water makes carbonic acid, - seltzer water! The oceans are 30% more acidic since the industrial revolution. 93% of The Great Barrier Reef has been bleeched and 22% and rising is dead as a consequence. The ocean currently absorbs 9.3 billion tons of CO2 a year and is currently absorbing an additional 2 billion tons annually. Not because the ocean is suddenly getting better at it, but because there's more saturation in the atmosphere.
Dude, it's now at a point where I can personally, just from being outside and from what I remember being outside in the winter from my childhood can feel a difference on my own. Stop this. This is the kind of dangerous rhetoric that got us into this mess.
Oh, and linking a site where they advertise Alex Jones means you really are in your own right wing escapist world. As such, I'll leave this here and not try to convince you anymore, because you are beyond that.
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by footyfan01 Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:15 pm
Myesyats wrote:If you want to educate yourself so much, then here you go.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/05/14/co2-nears-400-ppm-relax-its-not-global-warming-end-times-but-only-a-big-yawn-climate-depot-special-report/
Marc Morano (born 1968) is a former Republican political aide who founded and runs the climate change denial website ClimateDepot.com. (The guy worked for Idiots like Jim Inhofe - notorious Climate Deniers founded by Big Oil)
In April 2009, despite having no formal education in the field of climate science, Morano founded and became executive editor of ClimateDepot.com, a website sponsored by the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT)
CFAT is a Koch Brother funded, Big Oil supported committee which is created by someone who has no background in this issue.
97% of scientists & 99% of peer reviewed journal articles accept human activity as contributing to Climate Change.
People who read this stuff are flat out deluded & are reading garbage & most of them are poorly educated & unintelligent.
I don't need to educate myself. I have been studying this since I was a kid. I am a highly educated person & I earn a lot of money, I will probably retire when I am 40 or so, unlike you. And I will work on issues I care about, like Climate Change.
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Myesyats Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:28 pm
footyfan01 wrote:I am a highly educated person & I earn a lot of money
Oh I'm sure. Everyone seems to be rich & highly educated on the Internet, it's fine though, you can be whoever you want to be behind a keyboard.
Now, I'm not denying climate change or global warming. I'm questioning the significance of CO2 emission in these processes.
CO2 emissions are not harmless but we can not manage climate change by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor (CO2).
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Kick Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:14 pm
I said no more insults.
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by McLewis Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:09 pm
Very interesting that Nordstrom's stock went up after that tweet. Reading plenty of stories around how his tweet power is waning. Can only be a good sign.
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by rincon Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:23 am
So, his national security adviser lasted less than a month after being investigated by US counterintelligence for his meetings with Russia
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by RealGunner Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:49 pm
Q from Israeli reporter: Is your admin racist?
— Kasie Hunt (@kasie) February 15, 2017
A from POTUS: We won with 306 electoral college votes
Clown of the highest order.
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by RealGunner Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:59 pm
This whole answer from Trump, being asked about anti-Semitism in the U.S. Read the whole thing: pic.twitter.com/AblvIC3ulC
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Re: Donald Trump watch
by Freeza Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:20 pm
Donald Trump explaining to the American people what Uranium is shows the stupidity of our leader. pic.twitter.com/PhkMFQSdja
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