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Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by Adit on Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:25 pm

I think governments should ban self driving cars. Several hundreds of Millions of people depends driving as a job and we as a world is in no way prepared to loss of massive amount of jobs.

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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by El Gunner on Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:34 pm

pro

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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by zigra on Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:09 pm

Lmao what?
Said the same in the Amazon GO thread. Automation is a good thing. We as a population have to work less. It's incredible how bad a society has to be set up that we consider less work a bad thing.

We shouldn't stop automation, we should just make sure that it benefits society as a whole.
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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by Nishankly on Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:38 pm

Against, People underestimate the lower class working population and how trivial most jobs are yet people survive families on them.

Pro for expensive add-ons on cars.
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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by Myesyats on Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:06 am

Pro obviously. We need to move forward.

I'd probably never get a self driving car though because I love driving by myself.

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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by Peccadillo on Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:50 am

My only question would be the ethical question of how we will program driverless vehicles to react in scenarios where one must choose to save the life of its passengers to the detriment of others. IE: If a driverless car was heading straight towards a class of children crossing the road, with cliffs on either side, will the vehicle plough through the children to preserve the passengers life or will it go over the cliff to save the children?

Will manufacturers program the vehicles in the same was to take evasive action? How will the way the vehicles are programmed effect the way vehicles from opposing manufacturers behave around one another? The manufacturers would surely need to be in cahoots on some level.

I don't care for the argument that people will lose jobs - adapt then ffs - do something else. Might as well say lets keep people drink/dangerous driving up so that we don't have to cut jobs from the police force.


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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by Tomwin Lannister on Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:54 am

Imo it's a really poor choice of school location, on a narrow gap between cliffs.


However in the distant future when this tech is legit in theory there would be far less of these decisions to make.

I'd say they'll weigh massively in favour of the driver, wouldn't personally want to spend x thousands on a vehicle that has absolute control only to decide it wants to kill me by driving off a cliff, as hilarious as that would be at a funeral.

Naaaaah, I pay I live imo.

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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by Peccadillo on Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:58 am

Well your view may have contributed to Mercedes decision to already commit to their customers rather than bystanders.

I am not sure the regulators will allow it though.
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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by zigra on Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:28 am

Wouldn't mind the car to do neither and use its breaks hmm
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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by Unique on Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:55 pm

Nishankly wrote:Against, People underestimate the lower class working population and how trivial most jobs are yet people survive families on them.

Pro for expensive add-ons on cars.


this.

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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by free_cat on Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:33 pm

Adit wrote:I think governments should ban self driving cars. Several hundreds of Millions of people depends driving as a job and we as a world is in no way prepared to loss of massive amount of jobs.


Should governments ban computers that cut thousands of jobs in science, accounting, mathematics, etc?

Should governments ban heavy machinnery like tractors or bulldozers that cut thousands of jobs in agriculture and construction?

And so on.

As every technological advance, it has benefits and costs, but humanity as a whole will benefit from it.

Me myself can't wait to buy a self-driven car to make my weekly commutes to Barcelona while sleeping, watching TV, reading or having sex in the back seat.

Imagine, going to sleep in Barcelona and waking up the next day in Paris, the whole family. A new revolution to transportation and travelling.

Imagine a fleet of autonomous single-seater electric vehicles that can be rented through your self-phone in advance and take you anywhere. The end of the public transport and its incoveniences.

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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by free_cat on Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:35 pm

Myesyats wrote:Pro obviously. We need to move forward.

I'd probably never get a self driving car though because I love driving by myself.


People who love driving just haven't driven enough.

What's the fun of spending 2 hours of your life cruising in a straight line at 100 km/h in a highway trying to not fall asleep?

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Post by Bellabong on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:24 am

Ethics aside automation could become an issue

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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by Adit on Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:17 pm

In 50 years entire economy will crash due to automation. People will have no money to spend as they will have no jobs. What currently going on is companies are competing to automate so that they can out price their oppponents. They dont have to care now because money supply is ok now but when every body starts copying and every firm out there automate then there will not be any workers left and there wont be any customers to pay them as well.

When Ford was paying high salary some one asked him why he was not using machines instead of paying high salary to employees. His answer was that "because Machines dont buy cars" .

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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by Tomwin Lannister on Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:25 am

Yeah long-ish term it's going to be a major issue, however right now the benefits outweigh the costs as you say. But we'll have to come up with a whole different economic system if 90% of the working class jobs and even a high percentage of more white collar jobs go to machines.


Either that, or when it hits boiling point, you'll see the reverse with companies competing to scale back automation when nobody wants to/can afford to buy anything beyond essentials.

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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by free_cat on Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:36 pm

It doesn't need to go that way. Automation will happen. Just that people who can't find a job, will have to make a living somehow, hence the state will increase taxes and give a minimum income. We'll all be better.

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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by Tomwin Lannister on Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:44 pm

You can't just hand out a nice chunk of income to people who aren't contributing to the economy I.E unskilled labour forces that get replaced by machines. Inflation would just increase rapidly and you'd be back to square one. giving everybody enough money to live well isn't an option now, and it won't be when there are less jobs.

So let's say it happened today, 10 Million UK citizens for example found themselves out of a job. But the government gave them all a nice minimum living allowance of £40 a day, how long do you think it would be before a pint of Milk and a loaf of bread cost you £40? Not too long if a large portion of the country is getting good money for nothing in return.

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Re: Self driving vehicles, pro or against?

Post by free_cat on Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:48 am

Tomwin Lannister wrote:You can't just hand out a nice chunk of income to people who aren't contributing to the economy I.E unskilled labour forces that get replaced by machines. Inflation would just increase rapidly and you'd be back to square one. giving everybody enough money to live well isn't an option now, and it won't be when there are less jobs.

So let's say it happened today, 10 Million UK citizens for example found themselves out of a job. But the government gave them all a nice minimum living allowance of £40 a day, how long do you think it would be before a pint of Milk and a loaf of bread cost you £40? Not too long if a large portion of the country is getting good money for nothing in return.


Today's economy has nothing to do with the economy we will find ourselves when robotization takes over.
No job is safe. Machines are even composing music that is as good as ours. They'll be even designing and programing themselves in time (last jobs to be lost, but they'll be lost). Only politicians, CEOs and some services jobs are safe.

When "all" the jobs are done by robots and the unemployment rate is 40%, there will be a basic income. And there won't be inflation, as inflation only happens if there is scarcity. When robots take over, products will be aplentier and cheaper (that's why companies will use robots, because they cut costs and have higher productivity, hence, cheaper products, not more expensive, that also applies to farming where robotization will also be appliable.)

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