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Post by sportsczy on Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:47 am

World class means players that would likely step into most of the elite teams and deserve a regular spot... and Mbappe + Dybala certainly would.  They're both unreal talents.  

Alexis, Hazard and Coutinho would not.  Hazard has proven to shrink in big moments + cannot sustain his level and Coutinho...  he's good.  But it's not like Dybala and especially Mbappe who are just scratching the surface... at 25, he is what he is and it's not quite at that level truly.

Just to put it in perspective... Dybala would push teams like Madrid to move Bale and Benzema. Mbappe would have done the same if not for the wage issue. Coutinho? Not so much. He's a consolation price if you can't attain the level above.

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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by Warrior on Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:35 am

Buffon not world class rofl ... i've definitely read it all now

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Dybala is learning to be a world class player but i don't think he reached this level yet. Maybe this season he will confirm but at the moment i write this sentence he did not. The talent is there but the decision making needs to improve. His 1st season was far more satisfying.

Him and Bernar are expected to grow together this year, it will be a fun partnership. Both have a high ceiling.
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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by Thimmy on Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:44 am

@sportsczy wrote:World class means players that would likely step into most of the elite teams and deserve a regular spot... and Mbappe + Dybala certainly would.  They're both unreal talents.  


That sounds more like your subjective definition of the term, than anything else. When people talked about "world class" players during the late 90s and early 00s, they referred to the likes of Ronaldo Nazario, Zidane and Thierry Henry, to mention a few. In other words, the top, top talents in the world, legends even, who had proven over time that they were in a class of their own.

I'm struggling to understand how someone like Mbappe warrants such a title, even if he might reach that level one day. I don't know when it became reasonable to classify an 18 year old kid who's only just appeared in the spotlight, as a "world class" player. Then again, I suppose this is the generation where people have a fetish for announcing the next GOAT whatever. Might as well throw Vardy in there.

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Post by Kaladin on Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:32 am

@Warrior wrote:Buffon not world class rofl ... i've definitely read it all now


hmm?

Need i remind the Bayern game during Conte's era?

Or the last 2 finals?

Or every international after 2012?

After 2006 and before 2012?

No one wants to admit it, but he has been carried by great teams and great defenses

Heck he almost threw away Juve's lead on us in the Scudetto race thanks to his blunders/buffoonery in 2012 (S can vouch for that)

He is by no means a bad keeper, i am not saying that. World Class? No im sorry. A very good keeper, just not cutting edge.
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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by M99 on Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:12 am

Buffon at his prime is probably the best keeper I've ever seen but I think his world class days are over now.

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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by Warrior on Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:26 am

Makes one major mistake every 3 months, i've seen worse. On the counterpart he saved our ass countless times (again) notably covering BBC's lack of success in september/october.

Still top 3 most reliable keepers in the world
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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by Warrior on Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:36 am

all in no order exception made of Messi/CR7 Thumbs up

GK
Buffon
De Gea
Neuer

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Carvajal
Marcelo
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Thiago
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Ronaldo
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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by halamadrid2 on Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:02 am

Why is Marchisio there, if Thiago is there then so should Koke be both do the exact same thing oh and Ramos is a worldclass defender, he is better than this Godin by ten fold. In fact Godin has regressed so bad I don't see him as WC anymore. Apart from that I agree, though I don't understand how people can call DeBruyne worldclass, he is a good player but never world class
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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by Warrior on Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:56 am

Marchisio is in the list because he's world class, i am an unbiased Juve fan.

Maybe Ramos can be up there, for all his achievements and his unreal champion mentality. However, Ramos defending lucidity in itself is not better than Diego Godin the old school, wise center back.
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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by Gil on Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:09 am

Dybala & Mbappe World Class, Hazard, Coutinho & Sanchez are not. Incroyable.

Notice how he singled out the Premier League players? Laughing
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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by Onyx on Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:15 am

David Silva is World class imo.

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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:18 am

@M99 wrote:Buffon at his prime is probably the best keeper I've ever seen but I think his world class days are over now.


Buffon is still top 5, which makes him world class imo, unless you have a different metric.

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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by halamadrid2 on Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:41 am

@Warrior wrote:Marchisio is in the list because he's world class, i am an unbiased Juve fan.

Maybe Ramos can be up there, for all his achievements and his unreal champion mentality. However, Ramos defending lucidity in itself is not better than Diego Godin the old school, wise center back.
No Marchiso is not world class. Good player but not world class. Ramos being on there is not a maybe, it's a given. If you want an excellent defender then you have Pepe who isn't even on that list either. Ramos is better than Godin, Godin is riding on his hype from 3 seasons ago. He has declined heavily in the past 2 seasons. You won't find a CB who was better than Ramos last season, imo he was the best CB in the world
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Re: Only World Class players in the game while everyone's asleep

Post by Interman on Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:51 am

If you compare to past eras, when even a team like Parma, Lazio, etc. fielded world class players, it's crazy how thinned the pool of world class talent has become.

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Post by Blue Barrett on Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:01 am

Hazard apparently not world class. I love GL.

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