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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Winter is Coming on Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:31 pm

@Jay29 wrote:As for Chelsea's struggles, I think the simplest answer is regression to the mean.

Likes of Luiz, Cahill, Moses, Alonso and Pedro over-performed relative to their actual ability. They've returned to their normal levels but Chelsea have nobody to replace them in the team, which is possibly why Conte was so upset about their transfer business.

Even Morata despite his goals is actually over-performing, in that some of his goals have come from low percentage chances.


@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Yep even Conte said pre season that they had players playing at 120% last season and it won't happen again.

He knew.

Aside from City didn’t Chelsea spent the second most in the PL this season in the transfer market?

Chelsea spent this summer either chasing players who were unattainable or players who went to play for other clubs (Lakuku and Danilo). As good as Conte is he doesn’t have that pulling factor that say someone like Pep would have.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:32 pm

At least Dembele can create, a player like him for Chelsea would be a god send at the moment. Nobody on Chelsea' team (except Hazard) can pass to the level he can, dribble and all in create opportunities for those around him.

Plus they have nobody on the level of Son or Alli, stupid comparison really.


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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:34 pm

to me those teams playing 3 CBS and almost 7 players are are seen as defensive players create chances off movements and runs. You dont necessarily need one guy that makes the difference but if they are running a counter and players are unselfish making runs, things will happen.

by the way, spurs are a team that do not win anything, 0 trophy, i would not use them in comparison

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Jay29 on Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:36 pm

@Winter is Coming wrote:
@Jay29 wrote:As for Chelsea's struggles, I think the simplest answer is regression to the mean.

Likes of Luiz, Cahill, Moses, Alonso and Pedro over-performed relative to their actual ability. They've returned to their normal levels but Chelsea have nobody to replace them in the team, which is possibly why Conte was so upset about their transfer business.

Even Morata despite his goals is actually over-performing, in that some of his goals have come from low percentage chances.


@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Yep even Conte said pre season that they had players playing at 120% last season and it won't happen again.

He knew.

Aside from City didn’t Chelsea spent the second most in the PL this season in the transfer market?

Chelsea spent this summer either chasing players who were unattainable or players who went to play for other clubs (Lakuku and Danilo). As good as Conte is he doesn’t have that pulling factor that say someone like Pep would have.


They spent plenty but the players they brought in aren't huge upgrades on what they had. Rudiger looks poor, Bakayoko has been inconsistent and even Morata isn't an improvement on Costa (well, mentally he is). Zappacosta might be better than Moses, but that's a marginal gain at best.

I genuinely don't know if that's Conte's fault or not but it's been a problem for them. Granted, it's still early so we shouldn't judge their signings too much.


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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:37 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:to me those teams playing 3 CBS and almost 7 players are are seen as defensive players create chances off movements and runs. You dont necessarily need one guy that makes the difference but if they are running a counter and players are unselfish making runs, things will happen.

by the way, spurs are a team that do not win anything, 0 trophy, i would not use them in comparison


Not when teams cover the runs you make it won't, you need people who can break down a team however that gets done.

Hazard is the only one on Chelsea who can do that, Spurs have multiple players and so does everyone else in top 6.

Not sure what CB's issue is tbh, it's clear as day they lack talent offensively.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Glory on Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:41 pm

Disappointed with main man Marcos today. Subbing your cf with a dm was daft daft move. Its never a good idea to give initiative to Chelsea especially in the end and especially at the Bridge, they always manage to score these late goals.
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by CBarca on Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:49 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:to me those teams playing 3 CBS and almost 7 players are are seen as defensive players create chances off movements and runs. You dont necessarily need one guy that makes the difference but if they are running a counter and players are unselfish making runs, things will happen.

by the way, spurs are a team that do not win anything, 0 trophy, i would not use them in comparison


They're a fine comparison if we're talking about EPL teams that have had no problem creating chances the last couple seasons. I'm comparing teams of similar quality and trying to illustrate how you don't need to have 3-4 highly creative players in a team to do well in the EPL, since people are trying to tell me this Chelsea squad is shit. The argument is that Chelsea have the worst creative talent in the top six, and that's why their performances recently are perfectly acceptable. I'm trying to refute that argument by illustrating that Spurs have no more creative talent than Chelsea. Spurs are a fine example.

Dembele isn't a creator, he's a CM who carries the ball up the field without losing it and occasionally takes out a player via dribbling, but he doesn't dribble a helluva lot around the box at all, since him and Wanyama are responsible for staying back and snuffing out counter attacks due to the fullbacks pushing so high. Don't tell me a player like Dembele who has averaged probably less than 4 assists every season with Spurs is anymore creative than Willian or Fabregas lol

Son doesn't start for Tottenham and isn't creative in the slightest anyway, and you haven't really answered my question about who in the team is more created beyond a half hearted attempt at Dembele, which is a weak case. I mean I'll give you that he's better than Bayakoko, but he's not at the level of Willian or Fabregas. He's like Tom Cleverley level creative.
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Kaladin on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:05 pm

What did i wake up to, who's feuding who
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by rincon on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:09 pm

CB is feuding everyone.
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Post by farfan on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:14 pm

ES wrote:What did i wake up to, who's feuding who


"Wake up"? You're in Murica? hmm
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Kaladin on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:21 pm

Nah this is my weekend sleep schedule
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Firenze on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:29 pm

almost everyone that watched Monaco a lot last season said to be wary of Bakayoko. Shout out to Sportsczy, Chelsea fans were convinced they had the next Pogba on their hands though.
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:30 pm

Cabaye should have been sent off, horrible challenge.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:30 pm

Man U losing to Huddlesfield rofl

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Firenze on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:32 pm

Relax. Mooy would start for most top clubs tbh.
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Firenze on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:33 pm

rofl

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by RealGunner on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:33 pm

Huddersfield 2-0
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:35 pm

@Firenze wrote:newcastle and brighton both in the top 10 ffs

championship is legit



Hard to argue with this tbh.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Firenze on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:36 pm

did you see that error from Lindelof I think? LMAOOOOO

this is why he hasn't been starting and shouldn't start

He's one of the worst CB we've signed ffs

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Firenze on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:37 pm

we concede the most Fifa goal ever, long ball over the top, CB misses the clearance and the pacey forward rounds the keeper rofl

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Kaladin on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:38 pm

HUDDERSFIELD 2-0 rofl

Beating bottom feeders thinking they can win the league rofl
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Kaladin on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:39 pm

Lingard, Valencia, Lindelof, Jones, Smalling

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Firenze on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:41 pm

3 of our back 4 are Smalling Lindelof and Young

Young is our starting LB in 2017 Laughing

Mou pls
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Firenze on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:42 pm

srs though Lindelof is genuinely the worst CB we own, reason why I'd never heard of this jobber before we were linked to him

can't wait to sell him to Newcastle in January
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:45 pm

Unfortunately for you we don't need CBs lol.

I'll take that Pogba lad though. hmm

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 3

Post by iftikhar on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:46 pm

Unless Huddersfield score a third, MU gonna win. :coffee:
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