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Post by Luca on Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:58 pm

The Premier League has been won by Manchester City
La Liga has been won by Barcelona
The Bundesliga has been won by Bayern Munich
Ligue 1 has been won by Neymar PSG

But Serie A?
It will be won by Juventus, with a small chance for Napoli, Roma or Inter but what a league thus far

I included Milan for reference, if you're viewing the image on a smart phone, Milan's position won't be visible unless you have the iPhone Plus, Samsung Note or Google Pixel XL

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Post by Firenze on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:01 pm

yes but it's because the quality is underwhelming across the board rather than a collection of impressive teams

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:01 pm

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Post by Luca on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:02 pm

@Firenze wrote:yes


very good

close thread rg
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Post by Robespierre on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:06 pm

It is because of VAR
But it is going to finish in next two matches
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Post by McLewis on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:07 pm

We're not winning it. Just not happening. If it's not Juve, it's Napoli.

As good as we are, we are not better than Juve, Napoli or Inter at this point.

To answer the question though.....yeah it's certainly the most competitive at this point although that seems to be the trend over the last few seasons....and then Juve get it together and pull away from the pack.



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Post by Robespierre on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:09 pm

Inter, seriously ? We are collapsing, 0 points against Udinese and Sassuolo. Terrible fitness , short roster etc
Of course Juve have already won the Scudetto , it seems just strange that it wasn't done in December
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Post by S on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:10 pm

Not at all.

Juve just happened to weaken themselves to provide a more level playing field and thus it has become pseudo-competitive of sorts

For me it's among the worst leagues along with Bundesliga comprising of overhyped mediocre Italian players like Cristante, Jacobelli etc
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Post by Robespierre on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:11 pm

Who hell is Jacobelli mate ?

But I agree with your post.
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Post by RealGunner on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:12 pm

@S wrote:Not at all.

Juve just happened to weaken themselves to provide a more level playing field and thus it has become pseudo-competitive of sorts


Pretty much this

No one but Juve are going to win Serie A. This was the case even before the league started. It's just that Juve are half as motivated as they were last season or season before since it's becoming routine to win the league.

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Post by Luca on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:14 pm

Even if Juve is the undisputed champ, the 2-5 positions extremely competitive. Would you disagree?

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:16 pm

@Luca wrote:Even if Juve is the undisputed champ, the 2-5 positions extremely competitive. Would you disagree?



Yes. 2-5 positions are easily as much or more competitive in PL, La Liga, and Bundesliga

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Post by S on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:17 pm

No one cares about 2-5 in Italy bro. All are scrubs.

PL is where the action is at. I apologise on behalf of our shitty coach for not making the PL competitive this year  as it always is
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:19 pm

@S wrote:No one cares about 2-5 in Italy bro. All are scrubs.

PL is where the action is at. I apologise on behalf of our shitty coach for not making the PL competitive this year  as it always is
Agree, although Antonio Conte has to take some blame too. He is proving once again that he's unable to be successful in the league and CL simultaneously.

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Post by Robespierre on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:31 pm

CL places battle is very felt in Italy indeed, more than in UK, because CL is necessary form of survival for clubs (no stadi di proprietà here ) , not entering in CL means downgrade.
But I don't expect a tough fight as it was in this first half of season, real balance of power is coming in. And not optimist about the chance to stay on same level than now
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:40 pm

@Robespierre wrote:CL places battle is very felt in Italy indeed, more than in UK, because CL is necessary form of survival for clubs (no stadi di proprietà here ) , not entering in CL means downgrade.
But I don't expect a tough fight as it was in this first half of season, real balance of power is coming in. And not optimist about the chance to stay on same level than now


How will the CL battle be felt? When 3 teams (Inter, Roma, Napoli) are competing for 3 spots?

In the PL 5 teams (Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs) are competing for these 3 spots.

In Bundesliga, 6 teams (BVB, Schalke, Leipzig, Gladbach, Leverkusen, Hoffenheim) are competing for 3 spots, with Hertha Berlin probably having better odds to sneak in as well than Lazio in Italy.

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Post by breva on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:44 pm

@S wrote:No one cares about 2-5 in Italy bro. All are scrubs.

PL is where the action is at. I apologise on behalf of our shitty coach for not making the PL competitive this year  as it always is

What action? Most boring league in the world.
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Post by breva on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:52 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Robespierre wrote:CL places battle is very felt in Italy indeed, more than in UK, because CL is necessary form of survival for clubs (no stadi di proprietà here ) , not entering in CL means downgrade.
But I don't expect a tough fight as it was in this first half of season, real balance of power is coming in. And not optimist about the chance to stay on same level than now


How will the CL battle be felt? When 3 teams (Inter, Roma, Napoli) are competing for 3 spots?

In the PL 5 teams (Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs) are competing for these 3 spots.

In Bundesliga, 6 teams (BVB, Schalke, Leipzig, Gladbach, Leverkusen, Hoffenheim) are competing for 3 spots, with Hertha Berlin probably having better odds to sneak in as well than Lazio in Italy.


Lazio, Sampdoria, Atalanta and Fiorentina have at least equal odds to get in the top 4 than any of the German teams you mention. I really get tired of this crap.
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Post by Robespierre on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:55 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Robespierre wrote:CL places battle is very felt in Italy indeed, more than in UK, because CL is necessary form of survival for clubs (no stadi di proprietà here ) , not entering in CL means downgrade.
But I don't expect a tough fight as it was in this first half of season, real balance of power is coming in. And not optimist about the chance to stay on same level than now


How will the CL battle be felt? When 3 teams (Inter, Roma, Napoli) are competing for 3 spots?

In the PL 5 teams (Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs) are competing for these 3 spots.

In Bundesliga, 6 teams (BVB, Schalke, Leipzig, Gladbach, Leverkusen, Hoffenheim) are competing for 3 spots, with Hertha Berlin probably having better odds to sneak in as well than Lazio in Italy.


I responded to" No one cares about 2-5 in Italy ".
No , CL place is the priority for so many clubs.
Just Juve talks about winning the Scudetto.
The rest is focused on CL piace because 1 so much gap with Juve 2 it is essential

Exactly the opposite than not caring
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Post by Luca on Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:06 pm

Its still the only league that isn't already won

I also vehemently disagree, a good team will finish outside of the top 4, more then likely it will be Lazio. So, the top 5 in Serie A is quite good this year

Imagine how crazy this league would be if Milan actually put together a formidable squad

Anyways, I haven't seen anything to suggest it isn't the most competitive league in Europe this eason , doubtful that I will

And lets put some respect on Juventus' name, we are elite and in a small category of elite teams in Europe
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Post by Warrior on Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:17 pm

Me i mostly agree with you Luca.

Maybe Serie A isn't THE MOST competitive league but definitely top 2 with Premier League. Why ? Because this year we have 6 teams that aren't crap, instead of 2 ½ the years before. I don't appreciate the style of football played in England but i can admit their league is very competitive and has always been since i've followed football. In both leagues you have at least one quality club that won't qualify for Champions League, that's my definition of "hard competition".

Funny to see this situation being compared with Bundesliga, a.k.a the league where only 15 points separate the 2nd place from the 17th place. No team in Bundesliga has more wins than draw+losses combined (except Bayern). Just a bunch of squads in shambles neutralizing each other.

Not what i call competitive Laughing There is a mediocre parity and only that... the equivalent of the fight for spots 6 to 11 in Serie A but for the whole league.
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Post by Nishankly on Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:19 pm

Need a team not called the Old Lady to win it if you want me start taking it seriously.
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Post by RealGunner on Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:20 pm

Serie A is the only league other than the PL I actually enjoy tbh. Probably more (don't really watch much football anymore overall though).

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Post by Luca on Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:03 pm

Serie A points by club compared to the same stage last season [Roma and Lazio both have a match to play]

Napoli: 45 (+10)
Juventus: 44 (-1)
Inter: 40 (+10)
Roma: 38 (0)*
Lazio: 36 (+2)*
Sampdoria: 27 (+4)*
Atalanta: 27 (-5)
Fiorentina: 26 (-1)
Milan: 24 (-12)
Torino: 24 (-4)
Bologna: 24 (+4)
Udinese: 24 (-1)*
ChievoVerona: 21 (-4)
Sassuolo: 20 (+3)
Genoa: 17 (-6)
Cagliari: 17 (-6)
Crotone: 15 (+6)
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Post by Robespierre on Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:42 am

@Nishankly wrote:Need a team not called the Old Lady to win it if you want me start taking it seriously.

Totally agree
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