Pressi Mbappe: The monster QSG made

Doc wrote:As much as I love the basketball spin on this topic, I am 101% positive Sports had a big grin when writing this line:

"Is he anti-establishment? Absolutely. He wants to take the power away from clubs and put them in players' hands"

Mbappe, as with the likes of Lebron, KD, Harden or any sports star, does anything only for the benefit of themselves. Anti-establishment doesn't have you play for PSG ran by an absolute fucking monarchy.

PSG is absolutely not "establishment" in the football world.  Staying at the club went against every established path for an elite footballer who could go anywhere he wanted...

Anti-establishment means standing in opposition of convention.  Mbappe has certainly done that over the last several years.  Fighting FFF over sponsors, staying at PSG over Madrid, dating a trans model (Ines Rau), ...

Not saying that I agree with his decisions.  I don't frankly...  none of them.  But I respect a person's right to make the choices for themselves. You can't say that he's choosing the established easy path to life lol.

Yes, I remember laughing out loud when their president claimed that Madrid had made a similar offer.

It's like bro, if you are going to tell a lie, at least make sure it's believable.

After learning the details... be mad at Qatar, not him. Only an idiot would turn down that kind of money over 3 years. He'll be 25 when it's over ffs.

@Bill. Since 2018, the net transfer amount of PSG (buys and sells) has been an outlay of $243 million total. That's $60 million a season.

Go to transfermkt to see details.

That's why they can afford it. Based on revenue and profitability, they can afford roughly $125+ million every year. So they actually have at least $260 million in additional cash flow that they can use on bonuses and wages.

You also have Icardi and Draxler coming off the books after this year ($15 million annually).

When you actually do the math, they can afford it. Not for long though. They have to get rid of one of Neymar or Messi after this season, according to reports.

I also think that Madrid made a bigger offer from a total amount perspective... but over 5 or 6 years, not 3 years.

It's a bit of spin.  But Mbappe said that Madrid contract was "larger", which it likely was in raw numbers.  Not a lie.

France 100% does.  Most recent example is Bordeaux that almost ended up in the 3rd division this past year:

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/ligue-1-bordeaux-sent-to-third-tier-saint-etienne-raided-by-police-in-post-relegation-financial-fallout/#:~:text=Ligue%201%3A%20Bordeaux%20sent%20to,relegation%20financial%20fallout%20%2D%20CBSSports.com

The nuance is that Ligue 1 requires a bank guarantee to support all the clubs' contracts on an annual basis.... not just players, every employee.  PSG doesn't have an issue getting an annual bank guarantee.  Nothing to do with revenue.

The rule is geared towards protecting employees from bad management and only that. The timeframe is season by season.

If you can't do it, automatic relegation.  There's nothing else.  So Bordeaux got relegated in the example above to Ligue 2 and had trouble getting the bank guarantee.  So they almost ended up in the 3rd division automatically.  They scratched together at the last second.

My issue with FFP is different than yours... i think that it's designed to keep the elite, elite, and make the barrier to becoming a top club almost impossible.

That's nonsense.

Either implement a salary cap on teams (impossible without unionizing players which clubs and agents don't want) or use the same system as in France.  Namely, if you guarantee all the costs of a club for a season, you can spend as much as you want.

If you want to put a cap... make the maximum no more than 5% above the next largest payroll (or something like that).  Don't make it revenue because elite clubs will always grow revenue faster.  Smaller clubs have no chance of catching up.

BarcaLearning wrote:I still dont fully understand how it is Liverpool let Mane like that... n why wouldnt a top club like Liverpool be able to have 2 super stars in the team? Thats pretty much part n parcel of being a top team/club I thought

Mane wanted to leave. He wanted a new challenge.


To the mbappe situation. We don’t know if all the reports  are true. This feels a lot like the CR situation at Man U where the media turned the fans on the player, even though said player didn’t do anything wrong.

But is he really demanding much? He’s asking to play in his best position (I still think that’s as a CF myself but he thinks otherwise), and wants to get rid of players not focused in the team. There’s no question the guy has an ego. He did bother me with some of his antics. I have no idea what that shit was about.

Also, Neymar was on party mode and crap with his professionalism. Mbappe’s urge to remove him looks bad in hindsight, but the form he’s in wasn’t anything people expected. No player should have the right to “remove” someone from a club btw, that’s just retard stuff from PSG, but you gotta admit, he had it right there with Neymar.

Of course psg and team mbappe wud say madrid offered something similar or more. No player comes out to say "I madr my decision because of money", and to me there's nothing wrong in saying that. I've heard shaq say he went to LA because of money, but he only said that after he retired.

I mean we always hear the same spiel "club x offered me more but I chose club y" . It's just as cliche as players going to the presser and saying "we need to play as a team and play hard (or 'suffer' a lot as la Liga players say). Not a big deal, lol everyone knew psg offered him a super contract

Income is the wrong qualifier.  It should be a total salary number and it can't be less than the highest salaried team.  Force the team to guarantee the year with a bank note for security.  Otherwise, it creates a ceiling for everyone except the elite.  That "75% over income" is just an arbitrary number. What if a deep pockets new owner comes in and wants to invest heavily? Why shouldn't this person be able to?

FFP is ilegal and anti competitive, so UEFA can't enforce it, otherwise it will get challenged in court and the whole house of cards comes down

It is illegal. Imagine in any other industry being told "you can't invest as much as you want into your business or you might get an unfair advantage". It's ridiculous. No serious court could uphold it. It's why they always settle.

It's directly contrary to EU's charter.  Article 101 to be exact:

Article 101 is designed to combat “anti-competitive agreements between undertakings … [and] prevent an informal group of undertakings or a more formal association of undertakings from agreeing together to act in an anti-competitive manner”.

Article 101 reads as follows:

The following shall be prohibited as incompatible with the internal market: all agreements between undertakings, decisions by associations of undertakings and concerted practices which may affect trade between Member States and which have as their object or effect the prevention, restriction or distortion of competition within the internal market, and in particular those which:

(a) directly or indirectly fix purchase or selling prices or any other trading conditions;

(b) limit or control production, markets, technical development, or investment;

(c) share markets or sources of supply;

(d) apply dissimilar conditions to equivalent transactions with other trading parties, thereby placing them at a competitive disadvantage;

(e) make the conclusion of contracts subject to acceptance by the other parties of supplementary obligations which, by their nature or according to commercial usage, have no connection with the subject of such contracts.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_101_of_the_Treaty_on_the_Functioning_of_the_European_Union

As BC mentioned, they've never taken it so far to allow for a formal ruling against FFP.  The implications would be too broad.  So they always negotiate and settle.  The whole thing cannot have any legal teeth because it has no legal basis.