Re: Rafinha

by elitedam Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:48 pm

futbol wrote:
elitedam wrote:
Pirloisjesus wrote: Barca can register arda as rafinha replacementhttp://www.barcablaugranes.com/2015/9/19/9355409/barcelona-can-register-arda-turan-rafinha-replacement-club-official

Can someone explain to me how that is possible?

It isn't.

Luis Enrique: "Replacing Rafinha? Club asked Fifa already months ago if they can sign another player, answer was 'no'. I don't count on it."

Barcelona say they already received three months ago a letter from Fifa stating they only can start registering players on 4 January [sport]

Thanks for clearing that up.

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:19 pm

It is theoretically possible. RFEF has a clause that if a registered player gets injured then the club can register one to replace him. Under normal conditions you would have to find a replacement that is out of a contract because the transfer is impossible, so it normally doesn't get used because the only people who do not have a contract by the middle of the season are scrubs, but in this case Arda is already at the club. And he is not registered. So we can do it. Like I said, the transfer ban is already over.

by Hapless_Hans Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:22 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:It is theoretically possible. RFEF has a clause that if a registered player gets injured then the club can register one to replace him. Under normal conditions you would have to find a replacement that is out of a contract because the transfer is impossible, so it normally doesn't get used because the only people who do not have a contract by the middle of the season are scrubs, but in this case Arda is already at the club. And he is not registered. So we can do it. Like I said, the transfer ban is already over.

Sorry, I don't really get it.

" Under normal conditions you would have to find a replacement that is out of a contract because the transfer is impossible" ?
Yeah the transfer is impossible as the REGISTRATION period is closed, aka the transfer window.
But if RFEF allows registration in midseason as an exception, why would a transfer be impossible?
Danilo signed in March or something. Etc. Every club can buy player whenever they want, they just can't register them outside of transfer windows. Isn't that the whole point?

Or do you mean because the player could be registered with RFEF, but not with FIFA? But then wouldn't that apply to any player transfering between official registration periods too?

Maybe I'm missing something, but something doesn't make sense in your post.

by futbol Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:27 pm

It's obviously not possible otherwise Arda would already be playing now.

by Harmonica Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:27 pm

What are the oppressed team waiting for? Enter the Turan. Thumbs up

by Myesyats Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:24 am

I wish he could player already

Was beasting it up for Turkey :bow:

by Myesyats Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:25 pm

Barcelona will ask ESP federation to register Arda Turan, to replace Rafinha. They also ask Fifa to authorize the registration. [catr]

note: liga teams can register a player outside normal transfer windows to replace a player who is injured for 5+ months, can only play liga

@RafaelH117
Barcelona’s transfer ban ended in August, FIFA in theory cannot impede Barça from registering players due to a grave player injury.

by Myesyats Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:18 pm

Barcelona have today received the legal confirmation that Fifa's two-window transfer ban ended on 31 August. [ser]

With Fifa's ban ended, their should be no more obstacle to register Arda Turan for Liga and Copa, to replace lont-term injured Rafinha [ser]

by LeBéninois Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:27 pm

I just read the opposite .

by Myesyats Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:04 pm

Cadena ser is legit so your source < my source

by BarrileteCosmico Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:42 pm

Sport said it was rejected. We'll see.

by Donuts Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:44 pm

didn't enrique also deny this?

by Hapless_Hans Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:43 pm

Again, what I wonder is: if the league grants exception to register players later in case of a bad injury - wouldn't Barca be able to sign any player and register him now (for the league only, as I understand)? Why would the player have to be already at the club?
And what does FIFA have to do with it? Does Turan have to be registered with FIFA before he can be registered with RFEF? Since this rule seems to be special from RFEF and so only pertains to the Spanish league, if I understand right?
Can anyone explain how this works?

by BarrileteCosmico Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:04 pm

Hans here is how Freixa explains it:

http://www.barcablaugranes.com/2015/9/19/9355409/barcelona-can-register-arda-turan-rafinha-replacement-club-official

I tried looking for article 124.3 online but can't find it. If anyone does please post a link so we can get further clarification Smile

Edit:

Found it: http://cdn1.sefutbol.com/sites/default/files/pdf/REGLAMENTO_GENERAL_2015-2016.pdf

RFEF wrote:También podrá autorizarse excepcionalmente la expedición de licencia fuera de los períodos reglamentarios cuando un futbolista de la plantilla cause baja por enfermedad o lesión que lleve consigo un período de inactividad por tiempo superior a cinco meses, ello siempre y cuando la inscripción del futbolista sustituto no requiera la expedición de Certificado de transferencia internacional.

La concurrencia de tal circunstancia de enfermedad o lesión, así como el propósito del club de solicitar la baja federativa en base a la misma, deberá ser notificada, de forma fehaciente, al futbolista afectado con, al menos, diez días de antelación a la fecha de solicitud de la citada baja federativa, a fin de que pueda efectuar, si así lo desea, las alegaciones que considere oportunas.

Para poder autorizar la inscripción de un futbolista en sustitución de un lesionado deberá acreditarse documentalmente que la lesión se haya producido una vez cerrado el periodo de inscripción correspondiente.

La competencia para otorgar la autorización corresponderá a la RFEF o, en su caso, a la Liga Nacional de Fútbol Profesional, a solicitud del club interesado, previo expediente en el que se acredite el hecho a través de certificación expedida por un tribunal médico integrado, al menos, por dos facultativos de la Mutualidad de Previsión Social de Futbolistas Españoles.

Dicha autorización, si procede otorgarla, tendrá una validez máxima de quince días, transcurridos los cuales sin que se formalice la licencia, caducará.

El sustituido no podrá reintegrarse a su club, ni inscribirse en ningún otro, aunque obtenga el alta, antes de que transcurra el referido período de cinco meses.

Transcurridos los cinco meses, el futbolista podrá reintegrarse a su club siempre que aporte un certificado de la referenciada Mutualidad, haya licencias libres en el equipo y suscriba, con autorización de la RFEF, licencia nueva.

Basically a club is allowed to register a player if one of the existing players gets sick/injured for 5 months or more, so long as it doesn't require an international transfer. Since Arda and Aleix were both signed from within La Liga it is possible to register them.

Futbol can translate the rest.

by Hapless_Hans Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:20 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:, so long as it doesn't require an international transfer.

aaah ok, that's the missing link I was looking for. Thanks.

Guess it has to do with this ITC certificate or some shit.

But that means that, theoretically Barca could buy any La Liga player and register them as Rafinha's replacement now.

by BarrileteCosmico Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:36 pm

Yes that seems to be correct. Sorry about the earlier confusion.

by windkick Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:24 am

Freixa doing more work to help the club from the outside, than Fart is doing from the inside.

by Lucifer Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:32 am

Rafinha to undergo surgery today. Come back stronger lad

by Myesyats Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:55 pm

Barcelona drew up a list of former registrations of players based on Spanish rules regarding injured players. Fifa never intervened. [md]

If Fifa don't reply in next few days to request regarding Arda, Barcelona will register him. ESP federation don't see legal problem. [md]

by Cruijf Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:10 pm

If this turns out to be intentional Proud

by BarrileteCosmico Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:00 pm

It can't be intentional because if we do this Rafinha can't play for 5 months. Won't be a problem if the recovery progresses as expected, but if he heals quickly I can't imagine he would be happy about this.

by Cruijf Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:12 pm

Oh that makes more sense. I thought it was just if a player was expected to be out for more than 5 months, and if they return early they can play.

by futbol Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:27 pm

The butthurt from other club fans after Barcelona signs Suarez, Rakitic etc. before the transfer ban, Arda and Aleix Vidal during the transfer ban and then gets to register Arda earlier than initially allowed. Proud

by Lucifer Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:34 pm

Burnol is going to be expensive Wink

by Hapless_Hans Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:37 pm

linetty wrote:Barcelona drew up a list of former registrations of players based on Spanish rules regarding injured players. Fifa never intervened. [md]

If Fifa don't reply in next few days to request regarding Arda, Barcelona will register him. ESP federation don't see legal problem. [md]

Hmm.
Interesting situation, if I was FIFA, who's out to get Barca as we all know, I'd argue that the exceptions granted by RFEF to belatedly register a player in case of severe injury should be seen as exceptional extensions of the previous registration window, in which case it could be argued the transfer ban applies to these extensions as well :coffee:

by windkick Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:39 pm

Wasn't a transfer ban, was a ban from registering players during 2 windows which passed.

Barca actually have a pretty strong case here as per the rule within RFEF.

Prepare yourselves for the massive butt hurt around the planet when we get Turan in the squad earlier than expected

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