Will anyone be able to compete with Germany in the future?

I'm not putting Spain as the best of all time or anything, just saying they are the World's best as of right now.

And I'm not just talking about performance. Participating in such tournaments you develop much more than just performance. Team chemistry, tactical solidity, a solid starting 11, confidence, mentality, etc... So much more things. Germany have grinded themselves to so many WC finals on pure mentality alone that you can't just judge them on talent, or performance, anyways.

Those Cups are a lot more important than you think. Italy have only 1 more WC than Germany, not 3 or 4 more, so the difference is not very significant.

And actually, we are discussing present here. I already conceeded Italy are historically better than Germany (by a hair, anyways).

My point is currently they are about equal although Germany have better talent and have gotten better results. Future wise they also look better.

sciacca wrote:not everyone can be the best for ever.

That's the whole frakking point The irony...

Germany have a strong national side, but they have a long way to go until they can compete with the likes of Brazil, Spain and Scotland on a consistent basis.

cheesy wrote:Germany have a strong national side, but they have a long way to go until they can compete with the likes of Brazil, Spain and Scotland on a consistent basis.

I gave a +1 to your comment..

cheesy wrote:Germany have a strong national side, but they have a long way to go until they can compete with the likes of Brazil, Spain and Scotland on a consistent basis.

Surag.Blueguy wrote:

cheesy wrote:Germany have a strong national side, but they have a long way to go until they can compete with the likes of Brazil, Spain and Scotland on a consistent basis.

I gave a +1 to your comment..

Thanks. It's users like you who keep this excellent forum going.

I can't believe some of you think World Cups can be compared to Euro Cups, LOL

Italy should have its own section on this forum.

zarola wrote: Italy should have its own section on this forum.

We do... The Italy Section + the Euro 2012 section...

So we agree it's basically just Spain and Holland?

VivaStPauli wrote:So we agree it's basically just Spain and Holland?

The best currently, or only contenders?

sciacca wrote:

zarola wrote: Italy should have its own section on this forum.

We do... The Italy Section + the Euro 2012 section...

What Italy section :s

zarola wrote:

sciacca wrote:

zarola wrote: Italy should have its own section on this forum.

We do... The Italy Section + the Euro 2012 section...

What Italy section :s

The Serie A one...

sciacca wrote:

VivaStPauli wrote:So we agree it's basically just Spain and Holland?

The best currently, or only contenders?

Contenders in the near future (I assume we're talking up to 2014, maybe even just 2012)

VivaStPauli wrote:

sciacca wrote:

VivaStPauli wrote:So we agree it's basically just Spain and Holland?

The best currently, or only contenders?

Contenders in the near future (I assume we're talking up to 2014, maybe even just 2012)

Then no, they won't only be contenders...

In retrospect we're probably talking 2014-2018ish, because 2012 will probably still be Spains year (even though I doubt they'll defend their title).

World cup final 2014: Germany A vs Germany B

We used to call Germany B "East Germany", in the good old days...

VivaStPauli wrote:We used to call Germany B "East Germany", in the good old days...

Groovy music

Guess no one has ever heard of how West Germany completely got away with doping and oxygenated blood in the 70s

Lionel Messi wrote:Argentina, easy. They have ridiculous amounts of world class forwards for one country, and it's only a matter of time until a CB has a breakthrough

Best post in the thread One time when you guys won a world cup, the defenders were decent but the forwards somewhat lacking. The decent defense+ Maradona= 1WC
Unfortunately, I don't see the arrival of that CB anytime soon. Talk about extremly unbalanced squads
Are playing defender in Argentine so unpopular?

Arquitecto wrote:Guess no one has ever heard of how West Germany completely got away with doping and oxygenated blood in the 70s

Fuentes says hello I still think that Farca dope. The amount of pressing they do for 90 minutes is insane

babun1024 wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:Argentina, easy. They have ridiculous amounts of world class forwards for one country, and it's only a matter of time until a CB has a breakthrough

Best post in the thread One time when you guys won a world cup, the defenders were decent but the forwards somewhat lacking. The decent defense+ Maradona= 1WC
Unfortunately, I don't see the arrival of that CB anytime soon. Talk about extremly unbalanced squads
Are playing defender in Argentine so unpopular?

I'm not sure, but we'll have to see what Otamendi and Garay turn into in the Portugese league, there is a really good defender in the Argentina u-20 squad right now, Pezzella, he has been spectacular in defense all tournament.

Lionel Messi wrote:

babun1024 wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:Argentina, easy. They have ridiculous amounts of world class forwards for one country, and it's only a matter of time until a CB has a breakthrough

Best post in the thread One time when you guys won a world cup, the defenders were decent but the forwards somewhat lacking. The decent defense+ Maradona= 1WC
Unfortunately, I don't see the arrival of that CB anytime soon. Talk about extremly unbalanced squads
Are playing defender in Argentine so unpopular?

I'm not sure, but we'll have to see what Otamendi and Garay turn into in the Portugese league, there is a really good defender in the Argentina u-20 squad right now, Pezzella, he has been spectacular in defense all tournament.

Otamendi isn't that good in my accounts, Garay has got the potential of a very smart defender but you have to pair him with a bully. Mascherano for CB perhaps?
I heard about the Pezzella guy but never saw him play. What is his playing style like?

babun1024 wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:

babun1024 wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:Argentina, easy. They have ridiculous amounts of world class forwards for one country, and it's only a matter of time until a CB has a breakthrough

Best post in the thread One time when you guys won a world cup, the defenders were decent but the forwards somewhat lacking. The decent defense+ Maradona= 1WC
Unfortunately, I don't see the arrival of that CB anytime soon. Talk about extremly unbalanced squads
Are playing defender in Argentine so unpopular?

I'm not sure, but we'll have to see what Otamendi and Garay turn into in the Portugese league, there is a really good defender in the Argentina u-20 squad right now, Pezzella, he has been spectacular in defense all tournament.

Otamendi isn't that good in my accounts, Garay has got the potential of a very smart defender but you have to pair him with a bully. Mascherano for CB perhaps?
I heard about the Pezzella guy but never saw him play. What is his playing style like?

Otamendi has potential, but tbh I don't really see him making a break through. I'd like to see Mascherano at CB for the short term and maybe long term if no one else is good enough but I doubt that will happen, who know's though with Sabella.

Pezzella is a pretty tough guy a great tackler and has great positioning, he really impressed me, I think he's the future of Argentina's defense tbh.

Lionel Messi wrote:

babun1024 wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:

babun1024 wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:Argentina, easy. They have ridiculous amounts of world class forwards for one country, and it's only a matter of time until a CB has a breakthrough

Best post in the thread One time when you guys won a world cup, the defenders were decent but the forwards somewhat lacking. The decent defense+ Maradona= 1WC
Unfortunately, I don't see the arrival of that CB anytime soon. Talk about extremly unbalanced squads
Are playing defender in Argentine so unpopular?

I'm not sure, but we'll have to see what Otamendi and Garay turn into in the Portugese league, there is a really good defender in the Argentina u-20 squad right now, Pezzella, he has been spectacular in defense all tournament.

Otamendi isn't that good in my accounts, Garay has got the potential of a very smart defender but you have to pair him with a bully. Mascherano for CB perhaps?
I heard about the Pezzella guy but never saw him play. What is his playing style like?

Otamendi has potential, but tbh I don't really see him making a break through. I'd like to see Mascherano at CB for the short term and maybe long term if no one else is good enough but I doubt that will happen, who know's though with Sabella.

Pezzella is a pretty tough guy a great tackler and has great positioning, he really impressed me, I think he's the future of Argentina's defense tbh.

You need a decent fullback as well. People thought CBs were the problem against Germany in WC but your real problems were wingers who came through easily
You need Pastore to man up, a decent CB+ Mascherano, 1 defensive fullback, then you start to enjoy your NT fanboyism

summing it up,Argentina needs a back 4 and a playmaker