Re: Apologise to English coaches...

by cyberman Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:22 pm

where its due lol

Dont know why i cant edit it

by Ganso Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:22 pm

cyberman wrote:no country has 2 ball playing CBs better than Smalling and Jonee, but especially Smalling. Hes the best young CB in the world and ill hear no argument on that.

Morrison is a freak, theres no point in debating since you wont have seen him

Wilshere is Wilshere ffs, one of the top young players at what he does

Im not here to argue who is best, although most of those youngsters are destined for starting spots at the (for now) 2nd best team in the world Utd.

These are players that everyone said we couldnt produce while looky now, not a Heskey in sight and not a revolution needed

and B-Mac MUFC, its so wrong that Jones and Smalling were our most cultured players going forward with them being CBs

ffs

Lucio?Thiago Silva?David Luiz?

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:26 pm

Well we have the players to adapt to a much more fluid passing system in the future but will assign a coach that will use a fluid passing system for these technically gifted players to thrive on?

That's the biggest issue imo.

by Catracho Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:26 pm

England will still be England tbh. :coffee:

by REWB Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:26 pm

Ganso wrote:
cyberman wrote:no country has 2 ball playing CBs better than Smalling and Jonee, but especially Smalling. Hes the best young CB in the world and ill hear no argument on that.

Morrison is a freak, theres no point in debating since you wont have seen him

Wilshere is Wilshere ffs, one of the top young players at what he does

Im not here to argue who is best, although most of those youngsters are destined for starting spots at the (for now) 2nd best team in the world Utd.

These are players that everyone said we couldnt produce while looky now, not a Heskey in sight and not a revolution needed

and B-Mac MUFC, its so wrong that Jones and Smalling were our most cultured players going forward with them being CBs

ffs
Lucio?Thiago Silva?David Luiz?

even though its not true, i think he was talking about youngsters lol....bear in mind pique is only 3 years older then smalling Laughing

by B-Mac Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:29 pm

Ganso wrote:
cyberman wrote:no country has 2 ball playing CBs better than Smalling and Jonee, but especially Smalling. Hes the best young CB in the world and ill hear no argument on that.

Morrison is a freak, theres no point in debating since you wont have seen him

Wilshere is Wilshere ffs, one of the top young players at what he does

Im not here to argue who is best, although most of those youngsters are destined for starting spots at the (for now) 2nd best team in the world Utd.

These are players that everyone said we couldnt produce while looky now, not a Heskey in sight and not a revolution needed

and B-Mac MUFC, its so wrong that Jones and Smalling were our most cultured players going forward with them being CBs

ffs
Lucio?Thiago Silva?David Luiz?

he is clearly referring to young players U-21's more specifically is it that hard to figure out jesus ppl

by cyberman Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:30 pm

Theyre honestly not better, Smalling and Jones pass and dribble the ball just as well as those do

Watch them next time, Smalling is ridiculous but you must have seen him by now
Utd swarming City was all Jones, he walked forward as a spare midfielder which allowed Cleverley to push forward...it was a joy to watch and hes 19

I meant young CBs btw, but i cant see how they can improve in this area unlesd they morph into Xavi

by REWB Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:32 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:Well we have the players to adapt to a much more fluid passing system in the future but will assign a coach that will use a fluid passing system for these technically gifted players to thrive on?

That's the biggest issue imo.

naaahhhh, look at the championship, all the young and up and coming managers down there are playing football on the ground. all the teams coming up to the epl...all ball playing teams that like to play it on the ground. long ball football is dying quickly in England they are starting to realise that physicality is not the answer any more. teams like stoke and managers like sam allydice will soon vanish from English football.

by justdoit_ Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:34 pm

I'll be the first to give credit where credit is due, but first they actually have to get on a football pitch and attain results as a productive and cohesive team. Surely you must understand where everyone's hesitancy is coming from?

That U-21 team was hyped to no end by the English-speaking media and was a when put together on the pitch was an absolute disgrace.

by B-Mac Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:36 pm

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:Well we have the players to adapt to a much more fluid passing system in the future but will assign a coach that will use a fluid passing system for these technically gifted players to thrive on?

That's the biggest issue imo.

naaahhhh, look at the championship, all the young and up and coming managers down there are playing football on the ground. all the teams coming up to the epl...all ball playing teams that like to play it on the ground. long ball football is dying quickly in England they are starting to realise that physicality is not the answer any more. teams like stoke and managers like sam allydice will soon vanish from English football.

it's true all 3 teams that came up for this season play some nice football, Swansea, Norwich, and QPR...and we all saw what kinda footy blackpool played last year

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:39 pm

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:Well we have the players to adapt to a much more fluid passing system in the future but will assign a coach that will use a fluid passing system for these technically gifted players to thrive on?

That's the biggest issue imo.

naaahhhh, look at the championship, all the young and up and coming managers down there are playing football on the ground. all the teams coming up to the epl...all ball playing teams that like to play it on the ground. long ball football is dying quickly in England they are starting to realise that physicality is not the answer any more. teams like stoke and managers like sam allydice will soon vanish from English football.

That's true but will the dinosaurs at the FA empoy them lol Razz

by B-Mac Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:41 pm

all in favour of Holloway coaching the U21's? entertainment on and off the pitch lol surely the FA pays better then Blackpool

by cyberman Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:43 pm

RedEyesWhiteBeard who else do Spain have other than Pique? Puyol? I wouldnt say Ramos is as good playing the ball out..

Im not saying theyre the best of all time, but the ball playing talent is obviously there, and if there were any better 19 yos out there, every top club wouldnt have fought over him and signed the cheaper option.

Pique was at Utd and wasnt as comfortable on the ball, at their age, in the premiership
Sir Alex backed out of the Veranne deal for Jones and cost x2 the price..
Im predicting Vidic wont be 1st choice next year and hell replace Terry for England, hes that good

As you can tell, im a fan. These 2 are as much a cert for England as Thiago is for Spain imo

That U-21 team was hyped to no end by the English-speaking media and was a when put together on the pitch was an absolute disgrace.

Stuart Pearce

by BeautifulGame Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:47 pm

justdoit_ wrote:
That U-21 team was hyped to no end by the English-speaking media and was a when put together on the pitch was an absolute disgrace.

Never get facts in the way of hype :coffee:

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:48 pm

As much i hate Holloway's constant bitching and moaning i cant deny his teams play some great football and gets the best out of his players and would have no problem's with him as U21 manager or first team for that matter.

by cyberman Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:53 pm

who hyped the u21s?

Smalling and Jones shone in that tournament while Morrison and Wilshere werent even there
Cleverley was pushed out to the left ffs

Are we really judging them on 1 tournament led by Pearce?

See that Welbeck and Cleverley? They can sure impress v Barca and City but when played laughably incorrectly v Swiss u21? they crumble

Jokers the lot of them

by B-Mac Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:54 pm

if he can get Charlie Adam a move to Liverpool, imagine what he could do with talent! LOL :coffee:

by Dnmac4 Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:06 pm

God, how long do we have to hear this nonsense. People have been hyping the English team forever and it's the same story all the time.

I agree with you that you have two great CB's coming through, but what was wrong with Ferdinand and Terry? England had/has them for years and underachieved why should we think any differently now?

I will agree with some of the points in this thread that the last couple months of pre-season games, the young English players have been playing out of there minds, but that is usually the case when they are on there club teams.

The problem lies when they put that English jersey on and don't have the benefit of playing with other countries stars and they fall on there face. I mean the under 21 tournament was just a month or two ago and they looked bad.

by Guest Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:26 pm

Yes, apologies to them. We apologize that the EPL has more foreign coaches then English coaches, even the national team is being coached by an Italian. :coffee:

by B-Mac Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:28 pm

Pearce if a frakking idiot, that's why the U21's were so bad....how hard is that for people to understand he played players out of position and had them by passing the midfield completely, i unno how many more times it has to be said before people stop saying it was the players, it was the bloody tactics

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:29 pm

B-Mac MUFC wrote:Pearce if a frakking idiot, that's why the U21's were so bad....how hard is that for people to understand he played players out of position and had them by passing the midfield completely, i unno how many more times it has to be said before people stop saying it was the players, it was the bloody tactics

I was going to try and explain but its like beating a dead horse no one will ever get it.

England dont fail because they are overhyped, its because the tactics and formations used do not fit the players and until we find a formation and tactics that fit our players it will never change.

by Dnmac4 Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:34 pm

B-Mac MUFC wrote:Pearce if a frakking idiot, that's why the U21's were so bad....how hard is that for people to understand he played players out of position and had them by passing the midfield completely, i unno how many more times it has to be said before people stop saying it was the players, it was the bloody tactics

OK, lets say thats true and the players are 100% clear of any fault for looking as bad as they did, do you think they were good enough to win that tournament? BTW if you put 100% of the blame on a coach and 0% on the players thats crazy. Im an Argentina/Barca/Messi fan and even I thought the blame was 50/50 coach and players.

I watched a lot of the under 21 tournament and other teams were just more talented.

by B-Mac Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:35 pm

sciacca wrote:Yes, apologies to them. We apologize that the EPL has more foreign coaches then English coaches, even the national team is being coached by an Italian.

Arsenal: Arsene Wenger

Aston Villa: Alex Mcleish (british)

Blackburn Rovers: Steve Kean (british)

Bolton Wanderers: Owen Coyle (british)

Chelsea: Andre Viillas Boas

Everton: David Moyes (british)

Fulham: Mark Hughes (british)

Liverpool: Kenny Dalglish (british)

Manchester City: Roberto Mancini

Manchester United: Alex Ferguson (british)

Newcastle United: Alan Pardew (british)

Stoke City: Tony Pulis (british)

Sunderland: Steve Bruce (british)

Tottenham Hotspur: Harry Redknapp (british)

West Bromwich Albion: Roy Hodgson (british)

Wigan Athletic: Roberto Martinez

Wolverhampton Wanderers: Mick McCarthy (british)

Swansea City: Brendan Rodgers (british)

Norwich City: Paul Lambert (british)

QPR: Neil Warnock (british)

o yaaa all those bloody foreign coaches ffs.... :coffee:

just talk outta your ass eh

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:36 pm

dnmac4 wrote:
B-Mac MUFC wrote:Pearce if a frakking idiot, that's why the U21's were so bad....how hard is that for people to understand he played players out of position and had them by passing the midfield completely, i unno how many more times it has to be said before people stop saying it was the players, it was the bloody tactics

OK, lets say thats true and the players are 100% clear of any fault for looking as bad as they did, do you think they were good enough to win that tournament? BTW if you put 100% of the blame on a coach and 0% on the players thats crazy. Im an Argentina/Barca/Messi fan and even I thought the blame was 50/50 coach and players.

I watched a lot of the under 21 tournament and other teams were just more talented.

You do realise the majority of englands best talent were not even at that tournament right ?

Oh yeah and Pearce is a moron.

@BMac

Hodgson is english aswell :coffee:

by B-Mac Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:39 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
You do realise the majority of englands best talent were not even at that tournament right ?

Oh yeah and Pearce is a moron.

@BMac

Hodgson is english aswell

ya i caught that lol fixed it

by Catracho Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:39 pm

so with all of this said.. when will England win a World Cup or Euro :coffee:

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