Thoughts on Brazil

Gil wrote:

Neymar Damiao Hulk
Hernanes Ramires
Lucas
Marcelo Luiz Silva Alves/Maicon
Julio Cesar

Would love to see that.

Ganso wrote:did i say almost 30?i meant 41 goals in 71 games this season,including a goal against milan and barca

rsinatra wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

biggiejay wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

biggiejay wrote:The problem with Brasil is Dani Alves and Andre Santos. They always want to do too much and leave holes in the defense, I hate both of them.

That was never a problem when they had Roberto Carlos and Cafu, both of whom go forward as much as Alves and both way more then Andre Santos?

Maybe If Brazil kept better possession like they used to, they could be effective.

You have to go forward alot from fullback for Brazil they dont have wingers and havent had for a long tiem.

LOL

You want to compare Cafu and Roberto Carlos to 2 bums like Dani Alves and Andre Santos?
Cafu and Roberto Carlos were world class players and they knew how to attack and defend. Dani Alves and Andre Santos are good going forward but they are weak on defense. They always want to take an extra touch or try to dribble too much. You would never see Cafu or Roberto Carlos do that, what made them so great was that they played simple unlike those 2 clowns.

Excuse me, hold the phone.

We wasnt talking quality...you said they go forward too much..Roberto Carlos and Cafu went forward just as much. End of story.

Why are you putting quality into the mix?

By the way though, its not like Dani Alves and Andre Santos are the ones who consistently lose the ball and therefore the space is exploited.

They have to go forward because there is no width, if a ramdon midfielder messes up and the wings are exploited, thats not their fault.

Finally, stop over glorifying the past or underrated now. Dani Alves is better then Cafu was, or a at very least, its a close call.

LOL @ Roberto Carlos knew how to defend. The EXACT same arguments people use against Alves, they used on Carlos 10 years ago.

I agree about Roberto Carlos and that we should stop glorifying the past and belittling the current players. But do you really think Dani Alves is better than Cafu was ? How so?

And André Santos is to blame for at least one of the German goals.

rsinatra wrote:

biggiejay wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

biggiejay wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

biggiejay wrote:The problem with Brasil is Dani Alves and Andre Santos. They always want to do too much and leave holes in the defense, I hate both of them.

That was never a problem when they had Roberto Carlos and Cafu, both of whom go forward as much as Alves and both way more then Andre Santos?

Maybe If Brazil kept better possession like they used to, they could be effective.

You have to go forward alot from fullback for Brazil they dont have wingers and havent had for a long tiem.

LOL

You want to compare Cafu and Roberto Carlos to 2 bums like Dani Alves and Andre Santos?
Cafu and Roberto Carlos were world class players and they knew how to attack and defend. Dani Alves and Andre Santos are good going forward but they are weak on defense. They always want to take an extra touch or try to dribble too much. You would never see Cafu or Roberto Carlos do that, what made them so great was that they played simple unlike those 2 clowns.

Excuse me, hold the phone.

We wasnt talking quality...you said they go forward too much..Roberto Carlos and Cafu went forward just as much. End of story.

Why are you putting quality into the mix?

By the way though, its not like Dani Alves and Andre Santos are the ones who consistently lose the ball and therefore the space is exploited.

They have to go forward because there is no width, if a ramdon midfielder messes up and the wings are exploited, thats not their fault.

Finally, stop over glorifying the past or underrated now. Dani Alves is better then Cafu was, or a at very least, its a close call.

LOL @ Roberto Carlos knew how to defend. The EXACT same arguments people use against Alves, they used on Carlos 10 years ago.

LOL @ Dani Alves better than Cafu

In Brasil we rate Cafu as one of the best fullbacks of all time. Cafu is a legend, theres alot of people I know that dont like Alves atleast when he plays for Brasil.I didnt say they to go forward to much go back and look what I wrote. I said they leave holes in the defense that doesnt necessarily mean to go foward to much its just that they fall a sleep on defense.If you have been watching them play during Copa America and this game against Germany you would know what I mean. I know what a fullback is suppose to do you, Brasil has always had attacking fullbacks. Dani Alves and Andre Santos lose the ball alot. They dont play simple football, they always take an extra touch or hold on to the ball for too long. Roberto Carlos isn't known for his defending but I still think hes better defensively than Alves

I agree about the "extra touch" , André Santos always tries that, and that's why Germany scored their third goal. It's not just our fullbacks though, Pato too always tries to do something more impressive instead of just scoring, pretty or not, like Romário would. Neymar too has been guilty of some "overdribbling" in front of goal, both for Brazil and Santos. This Brazil has to learn the difference between a team playing beautiful football, and a player trying to dribble too much, being too individual and losing the ball in the end.