Ronaldo with Portugal,,, stil w/o any achievement

Both have not done anything of note in International football.

Ronaldo had a decent Euro 2004 and Wc 2006..

But obviously with the high standards both have set ,people expect them to win trophies for their respective countries..

Crimson wrote:Ronaldo/Portugal 2004 Euro's lost in the Final

Ronaldo/Portugal 2006 WC got knocked out by eventual finalists France

Ronaldo/Portugal 2008 Euro's got knocked out by eventual finalists Germany

Ronaldo/Portugal 2010 WC got knocked out by eventual winners Spain

Ronaldo plays in a less talented far less attacking squad/formation/system with Portugal, just look at Portugal's defensive record leading into the World Cup

Messi plays in the all attacking star system of Argentina and still has not scored in 16 competitive games for Argentina, nor has he really helped Argentina really show their might despite supposedly being so much better than Ronaldo, in fact Messi's performances almost had Argentina not qualify at all for the World Cup in 2010

Argentina has a system? I didn't know that..

Messi might have better teammates, but when they all play for argentina they show even less than messi..

Like lionel messi said in the previous page, cristiano ronaldo hasn't done anything after the wc 06 because the key player for the previous team and those who would provide Cristiano Ronaldo with quality service had either retired or were injured/out of form.

Football is a team sport not a indiviual sport, so 1 player can't make a team world class. When both cristiano ronaldo and messi had player who could provide them with quality service, they showed their quality(cristiano ronaldo at the euro 04, WC 06 and messi at the WC 06, in the little time he had, and at copa america).

How old were most of you guys in 2004 and 2006... probably waaay too young to really remember much. Let me tell you, CR7 was a beast in both.

You have no idea how flawed Portugal has been from 2006 to 2010. There were holes and lack of depth everywhere. Now you have young players that are starting to come into their own (Coentrao, Nani, etc.). They will be good for the next 3-4 years.

Argentina has always been one of the 2-3 most talented NT teams in the world. Yet, they have accomplished absolutely nothing since maradona left.

CR7 has won with Man U and madrid. He has also reached the Euro finals and the WC semifinals... Messi has only done something with Barca. Nothing at all with Argentina. Just deal with the facts.

What facts? That CR7 is better than Messi?

Crimson wrote:Ronaldo/Portugal 2004 Euro's lost in the Final

Ronaldo/Portugal 2006 WC got knocked out by eventual finalists France

Ronaldo/Portugal 2008 Euro's got knocked out by eventual finalists Germany

Ronaldo/Portugal 2010 WC got knocked out by eventual winners Spain

Ronaldo plays in a less talented far less attacking squad/formation/system with Portugal, just look at Portugal's defensive record leading into the World Cup

Messi plays in the all attacking star system of Argentina and still has not scored in 16 competitive games for Argentina, nor has he really helped Argentina really show their might despite supposedly being so much better than Ronaldo, in fact Messi's performances almost had Argentina not qualify at all for the World Cup in 2010

While Messi has usually had a better team around him than Ronaldo, the fact that they've both failed at NT levels shows why CR7 is not a better player than Messi (it doesnt have to be said). Because while it is a team sport, many have accused Messi of not being a leader, unlike CR7 at Portugal, and even at Madrid. Messi, being widely known as the best player on Earth isn't the Argentine captain, and Ronaldo is. Yet neither has had success. Club level, different story.

Actually CR7 has gotten a lot of flack.

sportsczy wrote:

CR7 has won with Man U and madrid. He has also reached the Euro finals and the WC semifinals... Messi has only done something with Barca. Nothing at all with Argentina. Just deal with the facts.

If U dont remember, Messi reached the Copa America 07 final. How is Portugal's final loss better than Argentina's effort? Plus, CR7, although he won the EPL a few times, was the one who missed a penalty in the CL final, which Terry only awarded him (pure luck), and you say he "won" with Madrid? It was the CDR and it was an extra time header against Pinto. Messi has a treble, a double, and 1 POTY over Ronaldo. Deal with the facts.

barca 2011 wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

CR7 has won with Man U and madrid. He has also reached the Euro finals and the WC semifinals... Messi has only done something with Barca. Nothing at all with Argentina. Just deal with the facts.

If U dont remember, Messi reached the Copa America 07 final. How is Portugal's final loss better than Argentina's effort? Plus, CR7, although he won the EPL a few times, was the one who missed a penalty in the CL final, which Terry only awarded him (pure luck), and you say he "won" with Madrid? It was the CDR and it was an extra time header against Pinto. Messi has a treble, a double, and 1 POTY over Ronaldo. Deal with the facts.

The quality of the Euros are pretty much higher than the Copa America... I'd take playing Chile, Bolivia, Colombia, Paraguay, Uruguay and co over Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and England any day of the week.

The point about Ronaldo and his relative success with both Madrid and Man Utd is that he have played with totally different teams and still shined. There is no doubt that he was Man Utds best offensive player during 3 EPL titles and 1 CL title. Final penalty miss or not, he also carried them the a successive final. Which was lost against Barcelona.

Then in his first season with a completely new team in Madrid, he scored 26 goals in 29 league games and 7 goals in 6 CL games. The following season, once again with half a new team and a new coach (Carvalho, Khedira, Özil, Di Maria was all new starters) he broke the all time La Liga record, 40 goals in 34 games and had 6 goals in 12 games in CL.

The point isn't if Ronaldo have been better than Messi in the last two years, because he haven't. But, Messi rise to the top have been correlating with the rise of Xavi, Iniesta, Dani Alves and Guardiola to the top. With a pretty much identical team since Messi started to bring in his Balon d'Ors. The question is whether Messi can reach the same level in another team. Not if he can be good for another team, because ofcourse he can be that. But Ronaldo have actually improved while changing team.

And on comparing Messis effort with Argentina and Ronaldos effort with Portugal. Why not compare Zlatans efforts with Sweden against Messis effort with Argentina? It's about as fair.

sportsczy wrote:
CR7 has won with Man U and madrid. He has also reached the Euro finals and the WC semifinals... Messi has only done something with Barca. Nothing at all with Argentina. Just deal with the facts.

Typical immature post from sportscry.

So I guess reaching the finals, or close to it only counts when it's Ronaldo doing it then? Messi took Argentina to the final of the 2007 Copa America. Atleast Messi has won titles with the NT, unlike Ronaldo. Even if they aren't at the senior level it's much much more than Ronaldo has done.

Lionel Messi wrote:

sportsczy wrote:
CR7 has won with Man U and madrid. He has also reached the Euro finals and the WC semifinals... Messi has only done something with Barca. Nothing at all with Argentina. Just deal with the facts.

sportscry up to his usual immature posting.

So I guess reaching the finals, or close to it only counts when it's Ronaldo doing it then? Messi took Argentina to the final of the 2007 Copa America. Atleast Messi has won titles with the NT, unlike Ronaldo. Even if they aren't at the senior level it's much much more than Ronaldo has done.

Group stages:
Crespo, Milito, Aimar, Tevez, Riquelme and even Mascherano score goals. Messi not so much.
Quarter-final: Messi gets one when Argentina lead over Peru, end result 4-0.
Semi-final: Messi gets one when Argentina lead over Mexico. End result 3-0.
Final: Argentina finally run into great competition and are destroyed 3-0.

They have performed at Euro/ Copa stage just the same, but in the only international tournament that they both have participated (WC06/10), Messi has been 2.5x more effective on goals/ assists per game. Messi has won U20 WC being best player/ scorer and Olympic gold, Ronaldo hasn't. You say Messi has better team? I say Messi has lopsided and inferior team with great attacking individuals. Argentina is in turmoil where players and coaches come and go. Still, Messi has still been their best player last years.

Biggest tournaments:

CR7

WC 06/10 2g + 1a @ 10m, 3p 0,30p/m rank 4./11.
EU 04/08 3g + 5a @ 9m, 8p 0,89p/m rank 2./7.
overall 5g + 6a @ 19m, 11p 0,58p/m

Messi

WC 06/10 1g + 5a @ 8m, 6p 0,75p/m rank 6./5.
CA 07/11 2g + 5a @ 10m, 7p 0,70p/m rank 2./7.
overall 3g + 10a @ 18m, 13p 0,72p/m

El Pipita wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:

sportsczy wrote:
CR7 has won with Man U and madrid. He has also reached the Euro finals and the WC semifinals... Messi has only done something with Barca. Nothing at all with Argentina. Just deal with the facts.

Typical immature post from sportscry.

So I guess reaching the finals, or close to it only counts when it's Ronaldo doing it then? Messi took Argentina to the final of the 2007 Copa America. Atleast Messi has won titles with the NT, unlike Ronaldo. Even if they aren't at the senior level it's much much more than Ronaldo has done.

You think you are matured yourself ? sportscry has at least has more football knowledge than you.

Good to see the name is spreading.

His football knowledge is so obvious with his intelligent posts that often contain only "pimple-faced loser" or something along those lines. The kid is immature and arrogant, simple.

Sportczy loses his mind everytime a Madrid Barca match draws close. It happened the last time as well.

Great poster otherwise!

paperbackwriter wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:

sportsczy wrote:
CR7 has won with Man U and madrid. He has also reached the Euro finals and the WC semifinals... Messi has only done something with Barca. Nothing at all with Argentina. Just deal with the facts.

sportscry up to his usual immature posting.

So I guess reaching the finals, or close to it only counts when it's Ronaldo doing it then? Messi took Argentina to the final of the 2007 Copa America. Atleast Messi has won titles with the NT, unlike Ronaldo. Even if they aren't at the senior level it's much much more than Ronaldo has done.

Group stages:
Crespo, Milito, Aimar, Tevez, Riquelme and even Mascherano score goals. Messi not so much.
Quarter-final: Messi gets one when Argentina lead over Peru, end result 4-0.
Semi-final: Messi gets one when Argentina lead over Mexico. End result 3-0.
Final: Argentina finally run into great competition and are destroyed 3-0.

Messi was 19, he destroyed the tournament, and he did his best vs Brazil, but it wasn't their night.

There's more to football than goals, you know.

Funny how black mamba says Cristiano Ronaldo hasn't won anything with the Portuguese National Team.

You do realize winning a tournament is a group effort, yeah?
Blame the other defenders and midfielders of the Portuguese National Team before you blame the forward, Cristiano Ronaldo.

paperbackwriter wrote:

barca 2011 wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

CR7 has won with Man U and madrid. He has also reached the Euro finals and the WC semifinals... Messi has only done something with Barca. Nothing at all with Argentina. Just deal with the facts.

If U dont remember, Messi reached the Copa America 07 final. How is Portugal's final loss better than Argentina's effort? Plus, CR7, although he won the EPL a few times, was the one who missed a penalty in the CL final, which Terry only awarded him (pure luck), and you say he "won" with Madrid? It was the CDR and it was an extra time header against Pinto. Messi has a treble, a double, and 1 POTY over Ronaldo. Deal with the facts.

The quality of the Euros are pretty much higher than the Copa America... I'd take playing Chile, Bolivia, Colombia, Paraguay, Uruguay and co over Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and England any day of the week.

The point about Ronaldo and his relative success with both Madrid and Man Utd is that he have played with totally different teams and still shined. There is no doubt that he was Man Utds best offensive player during 3 EPL titles and 1 CL title. Final penalty miss or not, he also carried them the a successive final. Which was lost against Barcelona.

Then in his first season with a completely new team in Madrid, he scored 26 goals in 29 league games and 7 goals in 6 CL games. The following season, once again with half a new team and a new coach (Carvalho, Khedira, Özil, Di Maria was all new starters) he broke the all time La Liga record, 40 goals in 34 games and had 6 goals in 12 games in CL.

The point isn't if Ronaldo have been better than Messi in the last two years, because he haven't. But, Messi rise to the top have been correlating with the rise of Xavi, Iniesta, Dani Alves and Guardiola to the top. With a pretty much identical team since Messi started to bring in his Balon d'Ors. The question is whether Messi can reach the same level in another team. Not if he can be good for another team, because ofcourse he can be that. But Ronaldo have actually improved while changing team.

Instead of Bolivia, u mean Brazil.
But the argument that Messi cant play as well on another team might as well apply to the argument that Ronaldo isn't capable of winning a treble, mainly because neither has happened before.

jiopsi wrote:They have performed at Euro/ Copa stage just the same, but in the only international tournament that they both have participated (WC06/10), Messi has been 2.5x more effective on goals/ assists per game. Messi has won U20 WC being best player/ scorer and Olympic gold, Ronaldo hasn't. You say Messi has better team? I say Messi has lopsided and inferior team with great attacking individuals. Argentina is in turmoil where players and coaches come and go. Still, Messi has still been their best player last years.

Biggest tournaments:

CR7

WC 06/10 2g + 1a @ 10m, 3p 0,30p/m rank 4./11.
EU 04/08 3g + 5a @ 9m, 8p 0,89p/m rank 2./7.
overall 5g + 6a @ 19m, 11p 0,58p/m

Messi

WC 06/10 1g + 5a @ 8m, 6p 0,75p/m rank 6./5.
CA 07/11 2g + 5a @ 10m, 7p 0,70p/m rank 2./7.
overall 3g + 10a @ 18m, 13p 0,72p/m

Portugal is similarly loopsided, just the other way around. The attack, except Ronaldo, since Figo and Rui Costa left, have been the weak side. Until the 2010-11 season, Nani was pretty meh. Quaresma? LOL. Moutinho as the most creative midfielder? Pepe playing defensive mid because there just isn't anyone else also... And don't get me started on their strikers. Ronaldo have been expected to BE the Portugal attack, often being forced to play the lone CF since there just isn't any quality in CF in Portugal. Facing 4 defenders alone. After the WC2010, we started to see what Ronaldo can look like for Portugal when the other attackers step up, for example against Spain.

At the same time Messi have had all the playing ground mates he can dream off in Argentina, just take your pick of Aguero, Tevez, Di Maria, Higuain, Milito, Lavezzi... And previous Riquelme, Crespo and Veron.

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Funny how black mamba says Cristiano Ronaldo hasn't won anything with the Portuguese National Team.

You do realize winning a tournament is a group effort, yeah?
Blame the other defenders and midfielders of the Portuguese National Team before you blame the forward, Cristiano Ronaldo.

When is this ever said about Messi? SMH.

paperbackwriter wrote:

barca 2011 wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

CR7 has won with Man U and madrid. He has also reached the Euro finals and the WC semifinals... Messi has only done something with Barca. Nothing at all with Argentina. Just deal with the facts.

If U dont remember, Messi reached the Copa America 07 final. How is Portugal's final loss better than Argentina's effort? Plus, CR7, although he won the EPL a few times, was the one who missed a penalty in the CL final, which Terry only awarded him (pure luck), and you say he "won" with Madrid? It was the CDR and it was an extra time header against Pinto. Messi has a treble, a double, and 1 POTY over Ronaldo. Deal with the facts.

The quality of the Euros are pretty much higher than the Copa America... I'd take playing Chile, Bolivia, Colombia, Paraguay, Uruguay and co over Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and England any day of the week.

The point about Ronaldo and his relative success with both Madrid and Man Utd is that he have played with totally different teams and still shined. There is no doubt that he was Man Utds best offensive player during 3 EPL titles and 1 CL title. Final penalty miss or not, he also carried them the a successive final. Which was lost against Barcelona.

Then in his first season with a completely new team in Madrid, he scored 26 goals in 29 league games and 7 goals in 6 CL games. The following season, once again with half a new team and a new coach (Carvalho, Khedira, Özil, Di Maria was all new starters) he broke the all time La Liga record, 40 goals in 34 games and had 6 goals in 12 games in CL.

The point isn't if Ronaldo have been better than Messi in the last two years, because he haven't. But, Messi rise to the top have been correlating with the rise of Xavi, Iniesta, Dani Alves and Guardiola to the top. With a pretty much identical team since Messi started to bring in his Balon d'Ors. The question is whether Messi can reach the same level in another team. Not if he can be good for another team, because ofcourse he can be that. But Ronaldo have actually improved while changing team.

Man U and Real Madrid both play quick counter attacking systems, they aren't completely different. Ronaldo still plays on the wing, but the difference is now he has more creative players around him and a better team.

paperbackwriter wrote:

jiopsi wrote:They have performed at Euro/ Copa stage just the same, but in the only international tournament that they both have participated (WC06/10), Messi has been 2.5x more effective on goals/ assists per game. Messi has won U20 WC being best player/ scorer and Olympic gold, Ronaldo hasn't. You say Messi has better team? I say Messi has lopsided and inferior team with great attacking individuals. Argentina is in turmoil where players and coaches come and go. Still, Messi has still been their best player last years.

Biggest tournaments:

CR7

WC 06/10 2g + 1a @ 10m, 3p 0,30p/m rank 4./11.
EU 04/08 3g + 5a @ 9m, 8p 0,89p/m rank 2./7.
overall 5g + 6a @ 19m, 11p 0,58p/m

Messi

WC 06/10 1g + 5a @ 8m, 6p 0,75p/m rank 6./5.
CA 07/11 2g + 5a @ 10m, 7p 0,70p/m rank 2./7.
overall 3g + 10a @ 18m, 13p 0,72p/m

Portugal is similarly loopsided, just the other way around. The attack, except Ronaldo, since Figo and Rui Costa left, have been the weak side. Until the 2010-11 season, Nani was pretty meh. Quaresma? LOL. Moutinho as the most creative midfielder? Pepe playing defensive mid because there just isn't anyone else also... And don't get me started on their strikers. Ronaldo have been expected to BE the Portugal attack, often being forced to play the lone CF since there just isn't any quality in CF in Portugal. Facing 4 defenders alone. After the WC2010, we started to see what Ronaldo can look like for Portugal when the other attackers step up, for example against Spain.

At the same time Messi have had all the playing ground mates he can dream off in Argentina, just take your pick of Aguero, Tevez, Di Maria, Higuain, Milito, Lavezzi... And previous Riquelme, Crespo and Veron.

The last two coaches for Argentina Messi played under were just incompetent and the tactics/call ups were just ridiculously bad. Although Messi did not play badly in the Copa, he was a playmaker and was the top assister and created the most chances out of anyone in the entire tournament (15 goalscoring 1v1 chances), as well as being MotM in two of the four games he played in.

kiranr wrote:Sportczy loses his mind everytime a Madrid Barca match draws close. It happened the last time as well.

Great poster otherwise!

I like to stir things up a bit with rivals lol... Lionel Messi is a complete idiot poster for you guys though. Really knows nothing and trolls our board. We kick him around a bit for fun. Typical bandwagon fan. Sure you guys aren't very proud to have him.

sportsczy wrote:

kiranr wrote:Sportczy loses his mind everytime a Madrid Barca match draws close. It happened the last time as well.

Great poster otherwise!

I like to stir things up a bit with rivals lol... Lionel Messi is a complete idiot poster for you guys though. Really knows nothing and trolls our board. We kick him around a bit for fun. Typical bandwagon fan. Sure you guys aren't very proud to have him.

Grow up, you sound like a whining little child, like you always do.

CR is a bigger flop than Messi in NT. Messi at least won titles for Argentina and was top-10 player in last WC. Where was CR? Before the WC he scored 0 goals in 15 months..nobody even talked about it

The reason why people criticize messi is because people expect more than messi. But what you expect from CR? even his team loses nobody even talk about it. It happened 100 times, portugal lost ton of times, but have you seen any criticism on ronaldo?

and when argentina even makes a draw people jump on Messi. It starts from Argentina media and then all the people in the world start to criticise him. Not fair tbh