Group B: Netherlands vs Germany discussion

Arquitecto wrote:Bhends and I were discussing the sheer stupidity in some of the decisions within the team.

BvM placed De Jong and MvB as the defensive pivot of the team. Sounds good on paper. Yet the problem with this is that Ozil was completely taking the clueless De Jong out of position while MvB had a dual role of covering Khedira AND Scweinsteiger.

Bhends made a good point that MvB spent too much time on Khedira while De Jong was simply CLUELESS and didn't track or press and was getting roasted all night by Ozil..

MvB could be sympathized with given he had NO support from De Jong along with the fact that it was like playing as the sole defensive structure within the midfield.

Sneijder understandably did not defend but should have realized that the 3 man German triangle was absolutely killing a lost for pace MvB and the clueless De Jong.

Robben despite providing imbalance to the squad made some good decisions yet should have done better.

BvM should have played a 3 man with Strootman/MvB-De Jong with Sneijder given a free role.

Half time he rightly substituted the invisible Afellay yet brought on VdV instead which was a PISS POOR DECISION. Not only that, Huntelaar came on but MvB CAME OFF! De Jong should have come off while MvB should have combined with Strootman instead of VdV coming on (who was poor as predicted)

BvM did make a correct decision in having Hunter as the targetman with RvP supporting him as the increasingly pressing Dutch line then made progress from there as RvP capping a goal from a Huntelaar assist.

BvM finally replaced Robben for Kuyt yet this decision should have been done a long time ago.

Heitinga was a testament to the poor dutch defence along with their 18 LB who was awful.

In the end, the line-up, subs, high line against German counter-attack as well as COMPLETE lack of adaptability from BvM has cost them the tournament imo

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:van persie = goal of the tournament so far

shame hes been panicking in front of goal, passing and hold up play have been class (except rare occassions where hummels stopped him)

oh well, holland still have a big chance to qualify to the next round, that "consolation goal" could yet be very important with the goal difference

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:I dont know who is Bhends. But this is the Worst Analysis I have seen. Its shit & piss poor in your words.

De Jong has the best match in his last 2 years & probably the best match a DM has had in the Euros.

Its no secret than none of the CB's can pass,so he had to come back & pass to his limited technical ability. He had to cover Ozil who did Nothing Huge. And he was constantly on the Left Flank covering for Willems.

He was a 3 in 1. After months I have seen a Dominant DM performance. Best guy on the pitch for Holland & he is getting positive reviews in every Dutch media. I think Cryuff will praise him greatly tomorrow.


Mark had 0 Role in the Game. Apart from the pass he was DUD. He is for the candidate of worst DM & should not have been in the 23 man squad ahead of Anita or Clasie.

He was the one responsible for 2nd Goal. He allowed Schweni to pass & was caught ball watching. Apart from that he has 0 Speed. He does cover up the flanks. His positioning is shit. He is being buried in the Dutch Media. Everyone wants his head.

Bert did want to take him off. If he did not MVB would be thrown eggs at the airport. Everyone Dutch former footballer wants MVB to retire & not play now.

Apart from the fact he is Slow & positionally a 0, he does not give any Defensive cover. He was int he opposition Half with De Jong as only DM.

Do you people even watch the game???

Can you remember 1 sane challenge from MVB. De Jong made a brilliant on inside the box.

And who brings Kuyt for Robben. Robben scores goals out of nothings,even in the England match in the 92nd minute. Cryuff wants Kuyt to play RB. Kuyt is more of a defender than an attacker.

What was Bert trying to do??? Protect a LOSS??

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Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:Kuyt for Robben. Robben was the only Quick player we had. And he is a guy who can score Goals on his own. If you want to bring off Robben bring on Narsingh,he is quick & can cross for Huntelaar.

Why Kuyt. Kuyt is a complete defensive player & slow & useless for winning this kind of game.

And Afellay what a horrible game. People are ignoring him. Ignoring that he left an 18 year old Willems high & dry with no Defensive Support. Even RObben supported VDW more.

And Afellay was 0 offensively as was VDW. Why on earth is Afellay played.

Everyone saw the difference Huntelaar makes when RVP plays behind him. Huntelaar takes away the CB's opening up free space for RVP.

The defense has to improve. Heitinga was Everton's Player of the Season & he was a ROCK this season,shame to see him play so horribly.

Its time to dump old age guys & include New Fresh Talent who are starving for an opportunity.

Again I will say De Jong had a BOSS game. Remember that tackle on Ozil inside the box when Ozil tried twisted & turning & did nothing. De Jong completely neutralized Ozil.

Unfortunately Mark van Bommel did nothing to stop Schweni.

beatrixasdfghjk. wrote:How bad was the game? .

The game times are too restrictive for me to bother watching the group matches, and I know how crap Goal are, but their top of the match scored ... 4.0 .

VivaStPauli wrote:

beatrixasdfghjk. wrote:How bad was the game? .

The game times are too restrictive for me to bother watching the group matches, and I know how crap Goal are, but their top of the match scored ... 4.0 .

The game was actually pretty entertaining, though that it is true that Germany are playing with less flair and more orientated towards security than they did at the World Cup while the Dutch played more liWAIT HOW CAN YOU NOT WATCH EVERY SINGLE MATCH, THIS IS THE EUROS!?!?!?!?

VivaStPauli wrote:Make it fit! ;D
Well I guess you can always watch the rerun.

@danyjr: you are correct. I think.^^

boss wrote:Netherland's are a great club with many Class players but I guess that Neth. lost bcoz of 'internal disagreements btw players n coach' in a way ...n personaly i think thaT Huntelaar should be @starting list instead of Afellay or ! n definitely Kuyt as Sneijder sub. just at the begining of 2nd half !
Anyway van Persie's goal was just Awesomee at least ! n finally ,congrats to Germany -well deserved ...Gomez > man of the match definitelly.

VivaStPauli wrote:To be honest they actually did well for much of the game, there just wasn't much they could have done. They were mostly contained in the parts of the patch where they couldn't have done too much damage.