Re: Messi in decline

by The Sanchez Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:27 am

Real Kandahar wrote:
The Sanchez wrote:
Real Kandahar wrote:

how dare you exclude fabregas from the starting line up.... ffs they paid 40 million for him and he is loved by barca fans for being one of them.... #blasphemy

Can you shut up please. Your clueless. Fab has showed countlessly that when he is in the side alongside with Iniesta on the wing, that Barca have struggled to win games because Barca don't stretch the defense due to the lack of inside runs from Pedro and Iniesta. Cesc doesn't help. He creates problems. Messi doesn't have the space he needs because of Cesc. Roura still can't figure this out and its costing us...

#butthurtfansdonotunderstandsarcasm

Don't care whether it was sarcastic or not, its unneccessary.

by baresi Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:33 am

I liked the "please" after the shut up... it really gives more meaning to the "shut up".

Pleeeeease

by The Sanchez Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:37 am

baresi wrote:I liked the "please" after the shut up... it really gives more meaning to the "shut up".

Pleeeeease

by FennecFox7 Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:42 am

It was just a joke.. chill out.
He has a point. Fabregas was such an unnecessary buy..

by Motogp69 Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:37 am

Giggity5313 wrote:It was just a joke.. chill out.
He has a point. Fabregas was such an unnecessary buy..

Especially if they were just going to waste him as a utility player...

Oh well it's not like Arsenal need him :brickwall:

by The Sanchez Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:30 am

Giggity5313 wrote:It was just a joke.. chill out.
He has a point. Fabregas was such an unnecessary buy..

We all know that. It was for Pep's satisfaction only and he only stayed for a season... He has created problems and has been poorly managed.

by BarrileteCosmico Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:19 am

Like Xavi, Puyol and Pique weren't begging him to come too...

by The Sanchez Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:22 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Like Xavi, Puyol and Pique weren't begging him to come too...

It was all part of the plan

by timzink Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:38 pm

This was the central issue i was trying to raise in the thread i made about arsenal and barcelona a few days ago . Why is it that the teams fabregas play for tend to be weak on the counterattack ? Does he have a debilitating effect on teams defensive capabilities ?

i personally think this is just a very unfortunate nature of the way barca and arsenal play . Although he does have to raise his tactical and defensive game . An intelligent coach can get the best out of fabregas and make the team defensively solid . Look at Del Bosque with spain, and wenger in 2005-06 and 2007-2008 .

by Zealous Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:15 pm

Fabregas offers nothing defensively and day by day I'm becoming convinced that he is tactically inept. He kept getting in front of Iniesta and blocked his passing lanes. It was like having an extra defender for us ffs

Overall a lazy, overconfident one trick pony if yesterday's game was all you had to judge him with.

by Zealous Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:17 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:
Jibers wrote:I call BS, Messi lost numerous one on one battles and has rarely been crowded out. Varane and Ramos displaced him multiple times. I think he has lost his explosiveness from playing too many games

Varane shepherding Messi like it was nothing Proud

by Zealous Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:41 pm

"Unwell" Messi missed training today hmm

by Jack Daniels Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:46 pm

Zealous wrote:"Unwell" Messi missed training today

Lionel Missing Very Happy

by gondov Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:58 pm

Messi is 25 and has about 3 more years to reach his peak (just like 28 year old CR7 is at his peak atm) :coffee:

by Mr Nick09 Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:14 pm

gondov wrote:Messi is 25 and has about 3 more years to reach his peak (just like 28 year old CR7 is at his peak atm)

you are wrong, Messi is at his speak already, and it's more about how long can he stay there. he can fine tune things in his game but he wont get much better.

CR has been peaking for a couple of years now, and he has been maintaining that level for a while. What he is fine tuning now, is his ability to remain calm in tough moments, that's just age and experience mostly.

Messi has peaked already, and can maintain this level as well like ronaldo did. the ways his game can change are if he maybe becomes a true AM with a n9 ahead of him, assists more, score less etc... him finding different ways to impact the game. But in doing that he will lose something in the process, probably his predatory instincts in the box.

by ronalessi Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:56 pm

Messi will be 26 in a few months (c ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

by BarrileteCosmico Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:12 pm

How can you say Messi has already peaked? He has been better than the previous year every time. Given that we're still in February it's a very early call.

by LeBéninois Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:23 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:How can you say Messi has already peaked? He has been better than the previous year every time. Given that we're still in February it's a very early call.

Right. The whole team is not going very well this season and it's not a big deal imo as it was due to happen. The whole question is how the management is going to deal with that ... Either go for the likes of Song,fabregas or less popular players but who'll fit in like Abidal,Alves (before they came to barca).
It's not as easy though...

I envy the players who are going to play besides a 28-29 yo Messi. He would have so much experience as he has been playing for 7 years now.
So for me , he might me less prolific in terms of goals by the age of 28-29 but in terms of display he might be better .

by McAgger Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:39 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:How can you say Messi has already peaked? He has been better than the previous year every time. Given that we're still in February it's a very early call.

Padding stats, doesn't necessarily mean better. His game has suffered tbh.

by shinigami99 Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:50 pm

Messi is a beast for Argentina, just saying :coffee:

by CBarca Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:25 pm

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:How can you say Messi has already peaked? He has been better than the previous year every time. Given that we're still in February it's a very early call.

Padding stats, doesn't necessarily mean better. His game has suffered tbh.

His game hasn't suffered...

Ridiculous amount of kneejerk here lol

by The Sanchez Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:39 am

After 2 games in which he hasn't contributed much with his team losing, Messi is in decline... rofl

With that logic Ronaldo must have been in decline when Madrid lose every game
Madrid butthurt fans... :brickwall:

by BarrileteCosmico Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:46 am

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:How can you say Messi has already peaked? He has been better than the previous year every time. Given that we're still in February it's a very early call.

Padding stats, doesn't necessarily mean better. His game has suffered tbh.

What attributes has he decreased at, exactly?

by Zealous Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:27 am

Not sure if this is part of his "decline" but he did not make himself available for the pass against us. A false 9 sacrifices giving the team shape and leading the line in exchange for midfield fluency by creating triangles.

I don't know if this has been repeat thing but it wasn't present Tuesday night. He dropped deep but there were times he'd just stand behind Khedira or Xabi and not really try to get himself open. His positioning and movement imo wasn't very good. I couldn't tell you if this is part of his "decline" because I simply haven't watched Barca enough to say that but it really stood out for me.

by Kaladin Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:35 am

Bumping this thread when he scores a hattrick and 2 assists against us Proud

by LeVersacci Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:55 pm

Decline confirmed? hmm

His finishing is worse than Torres smh

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