Re: Gollegacy Myths

by REWB Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:35 am

The Franchise wrote:Pretty confident Drogba would of done better than Cesc is right now.

your trolling init?

by Onyx Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:37 am

Well he's presence could of helped vs PTB teams.

by Lord Hades Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:51 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Actually Ronaldo doesn't spend the majority of his time in the middle.

This. he actually spends most of his time on the left wing ,often drifting into the centre or alternating and going to the right wing at times

by billionmillion Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:20 pm

The Franchise wrote:Pretty confident Drogba would of done better than Cesc is right now.

Be careful Franchise, you are at 100% warning Cool

by Zealous Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:44 pm

The Franchise wrote:Pretty confident Drogba would of done better than Cesc is right now.

Same here.

by Gil Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:47 pm

Shout out to Dani for uncovering another GL myth.

"Drogba was Carroll/Heskey on steroids." :facepalm:

by donttreadonred Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:30 am

Gil wrote:Shout out to Dani for uncovering another GL myth.

"Drogba was Carroll/Heskey on steroids."

Why the facepalm...?

Drogba was just Heskey with better pace, better first-touch, better positioning and better finishing.

I see nothing fundamentally wrong with the original statement. :coffee:

by Red Alert Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:50 am

Gil wrote:Shout out to Dani for uncovering another GL myth.

"Drogba was Carroll/Heskey on steroids."

Are you sure he wasn't taking the piss?

If so, that's pretty bad. lol

by Red Alert Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:01 am

donttreadonred wrote:
Drogba was just Heskey with better pace, better first-touch, better positioning and better finishing.

I see nothing fundamentally wrong with the original statement.

Drogba carried Chelsea for nearly a decade. He's arguably the most complete striker of he's generation competiting with the likes of Torres, Ibra, Eto'o and Wooney.*

*Messi and Ronaldo aren't strikers.

Heskey was merely a decoy for Michael Owen. If anything, Carroll's a better version of Heskey. Emile shouldn't be in the same sentence to Drogba.

by Onyx Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:45 am

Messi's a striker while Ronaldo's a winger.

by The Franchise Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:45 pm

Never good when you say something so controversial people think im trolling lol

Anyway, no im dead serious. Read what I said.

Drogba in his prime vs Cesc now.

Have you seen how Cesc is playing now, its not exactly some high level Drogba has to play to.

So why would Drogba be so bad?

He isnt just someone you have to play long ball to. Yes, his touch is inconsistent and he isnt the quickest, not to mention the fact we dont use a 9. But again, do you see how bad Cesc has played?

by Peccadillo Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:21 am

The Franchise wrote:Never good when you say something so controversial people think im trolling lol

Anyway, no im dead serious. Read what I said.

Drogba in his prime vs Cesc now.

Have you seen how Cesc is playing now, its not exactly some high level Drogba has to play to.

So why would Drogba be so bad?

He isnt just someone you have to play long ball to. Yes, his touch is inconsistent and he isnt the quickest, not to mention the fact we dont use a 9. But again, do you see how bad Cesc has played?

I just used him as an example. A Drogba vs Fabregas debate is really missing the point. Maybe Drogba would have been successful at Barca who knows - I think it's fair to say no one would be surprised if he didn't gel with their style of play though, which is why I used him as an example to illustrate my point.

by CBarca Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:38 am

Thing is, if Cesc could play CM well and if Cesc could understand even the most basic concepts that make up a good CM, he would have no problem in the Barcelona midfield. He has such good vision and passing to go along with that, so it should be all and well.

But he just...doesn't. He looks clueless as a CM, I mean, as Dani said- even Keita and Thiago understand the CM role much better than Cesc. Keita ffs

You can talk about style of play all you want, but he simply hasn't been impressing as a CM in any regard, even in the basics. It really shouldn't be too hard to play an ok CM in Barca anyway (see: Keita ffs)

by Red Alert Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:10 am

How long has Thiago and Keita been at Barcelona? They know the club's style inside out.

Cesc may have came from Barca's academy, but he has Arsenal painted all over him.

The only reason he doesn't suit this Barca side is because he's played season after season in a Gunners top - with his main instructions to get the ball and to attack the oppositions goal. At Barcelona, as a CM, he's suppose to recycle the ball and contain the opposition by passing the life out of the opposition.

People who are saying Cesc can't play as a CM in general purely because he hasn't adapted to Barcelona's current style (he will get better with time, Xavi came to life at the end of his 20's) must be deluded. That does not mean he can't play as a CM; it means he hasn't adjusted to the role that Barcelona's CM have set-up as they have their own unique style of play.

by Peccadillo Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:46 am

CBarca wrote:Thing is, if Cesc could play CM well and if Cesc could understand even the most basic concepts that make up a good CM, he would have no problem in the Barcelona midfield. He has such good vision and passing to go along with that, so it should be all and well.

But he just...doesn't. He looks clueless as a CM, I mean, as Dani said- even Keita and Thiago understand the CM role much better than Cesc. Keita ffs

You can talk about style of play all you want, but he simply hasn't been impressing as a CM in any regard, even in the basics. It really shouldn't be too hard to play an ok CM in Barca anyway (see: Keita ffs)

this debate is over for me. You're trying to convince me a heart's a spade.

He was widely acknowledged as a phenomonal midfielder, world class potential, one of the best midfielders in the EPL - WHILST PLAYING AS A CENTRE MIDFIELDER. Now.. five odd years later.. you and others allege that he is incapable of playing as a CM??? I dont get how you can possibly justify the argument.

by alexjanosik Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:53 am

Thought I wouldnt comment but some of the comments make me do it.
Why is it that every Barca fan agrees he is useless as a CM and yet others somehow think he can be great there.
He just doesnt have the qualities to play CM for us.And the primary reason is his movement.
Every time Xavi receives the ball and looks up,Cesc is standing behind an opposition player.The dimwit doesnt even know how to move to create space and receive the ball.
Then once he does get the ball and passes he stays stationary.Doesnt understand that he needs to move again to create space and passing options.
Besides the movement,he is poor in tight spaces and his touch is also inconsistent.His passing under pressure is also average compared to our standards.
Add it all up and you get a useless CM.
Thiago anyday over the Lost Lamb.

by Onyx Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:42 am

Fabregas isn't mobile enough like Xavi or Iniesta to play CM.

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